CJ Stroud's uncontrollable crying.....

[DrDawkinstein]

Most of this board lit up Ken Dorsey for his outburst of emotion after the Miami game, and how it was horrible leadership and how he likely lost the team by showing he cant keep it together.

 

Same thing, but even more so here.

 

Has little/nothing to do with it being crying. Any uncontrollable emotional state is a bad look. Same thing if he had been angry and unable to get past it.

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 04:36 PM by DrDawkinstein

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Most of this board lit up Ken Dorsey for his outburst of emotion after the Miami game, and how it was horrible leadership and how he likely lost the team by showing he cant keep it together.

 

Same thing, but even more so here.

 

Has little/nothing to do with it being crying. Any uncontrollable emotional state is a bad look. Same thing if he had been angry and unable to get past it.

 

 

 

 

Good point. Simply stated optics matter and more so as a leader. Power dynamics don't disappear just because a person is good or has empathy. 

Edited Monday at 04:38 PM by Kelly to Allen

[SoMAn]

He's young and sensitive. Nothing wrong with that. Or maybe he's just a fem.

[Albany,n.y.]

On 12/22/2024 at 3:32 PM, Kelly to Allen said:

 

The line is you don't allow what is happening now. The opportunity for ppl around you to question your internal fortitude. 

 

It's not fair but look at the thread. Imagine if it was something serious in life? 

 

Again Tony soprano, General Patton. 

 

Never show weakness 

Tony Soprano isn't a real person.  

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Most of this board lit up Ken Dorsey for his outburst of emotion after the Miami game, and how it was horrible leadership and how he likely lost the team by showing he cant keep it together.

 

Same thing, but even more so here.

 

Has little/nothing to do with it being crying. Any uncontrollable emotional state is a bad look. Same thing if he had been angry and unable to get past it.

 

 

 

I guess you never watched much MLB where managers lose it all the time when arguing with umpires.  Go look up Earl Weaver, Billy Martin, Lou Pinella and their antics that caused them to get thrown out of games.  The reason they did this was to fire up their teams and often times they got the desired effect. 

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Tony Soprano isn't a real person.  

I guess you never watched much MLB where managers lose it all the time when arguing with umpires.  Go look up Earl Weaver, Billy Martin, Lou Pinella and their antics that caused them to get thrown out of games.  The reason they did this was to fire up their teams and often times they got the desired effect. 

 

Couple of things.

 

First, that is a time honored tradition and part of baseball. The players expect it and know it's part of the show. Total different game and traditions and expectations. Same way if a player was ejected for throwing a punch, we wouldnt say "guess you've never seen hockey where players throw punches all the time".

 

Second, I was not someone critical of Dorsey on his outburst, I'm just calling out the board hypocrisy. I was fine with Dorsey because it was 1. emotion shown in trying to win the game and 2. away from everyone up in the booth and 3. anger is more easily excused in sports than... whatever emotion you want to call what Stroud was dealing with yesterday.

 

Now, if Dorsey had an outburst during the middle of the game and then couldnt properly call plays the next coiple of series, then he should be criticized.

 

Hence, I am questioning Stroud but not Dorsey.

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:53 PM by DrDawkinstein

[MikePJ76]

16 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Tony Soprano isn't a real person.  

I guess you never watched much MLB where managers lose it all the time when arguing with umpires.  Go look up Earl Weaver, Billy Martin, Lou Pinella and their antics that caused them to get thrown out of games.  The reason they did this was to fire up their teams and often times they got the desired effect. 

To be fair.

 

sometimes I think Billy Martin was just hungover and wanted to go lie down..or have another one.

[BillsFanForever19]

He's an emotional guy. Tank Dell is his best friend. And he just watched his best friend, who's dealt with major injuries before, possibly have his career ended. Compunding that, he's also lost Stefon Diggs and losing Dell as well severely hampens their Super Bowl aspirations. I don't blame him for being upset. 

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

On 12/23/2024 at 1:02 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

He's an emotional guy. Tank Dell is his best friend. And he just watched his best friend, who's dealt with major injuries before, possibly have his career ended. Compunding that, he's also lost Stefon Diggs and losing Dell as well severely hampens their Super Bowl aspirations. I don't blame him for being upset. 

 

 

 

My reaction to this:

 

1) I'm sincerely glad that Stroud addressed this and is standing by his actions and opinion, even if I disagree with him.

2) I don't know who Will Kunkel is, don't care who he is, and don't care what his opinion is.

 

[davefan66]

On 12/23/2024 at 11:35 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

Most of this board lit up Ken Dorsey for his outburst of emotion after the Miami game, and how it was horrible leadership and how he likely lost the team by showing he cant keep it together.

 

Same thing, but even more so here.

 

Has little/nothing to do with it being crying. Any uncontrollable emotional state is a bad look. Same thing if he had been angry and unable to get past it.

 

 

 

In the moment.

 

Justified reaction for a teammate.

[Big Turk]

Dell had an absolutely devastating injury...

 

Torn ACL, MCL, LCL, dislocated kneecap and meniscus damage...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/texans-wr-tank-dell-reportedly-tore-lcl-mcl-and-damaged-meniscus-in-addition-to-acl-tear-dislocation-of-injured-left-knee-223959904.html

[GaryPinC]

On 12/23/2024 at 11:35 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

Most of this board lit up Ken Dorsey for his outburst of emotion after the Miami game, and how it was horrible leadership and how he likely lost the team by showing he cant keep it together.

 

Same thing, but even more so here.

 

Has little/nothing to do with it being crying. Any uncontrollable emotional state is a bad look. Same thing if he had been angry and unable to get past it.

 

 

Not.

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/29/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-ken-dorsey-meltdown/

 

The Bills QB said during his weekly segment on “Kyle Brandt’s Basement” that the locker room appreciated the passion.

“Our guys fricking love seeing that,” Allen said. “I know people might be making a big deal out of it, but as players, we freaking love seeing that.”

[UKBillFan]

23 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Not.

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2022/09/29/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-ken-dorsey-meltdown/

 

The Bills QB said during his weekly segment on “Kyle Brandt’s Basement” that the locker room appreciated the passion.

“Our guys fricking love seeing that,” Allen said. “I know people might be making a big deal out of it, but as players, we freaking love seeing that.”

 

Well Josh was hardly going to say, "We hated it and are concerned that our OC cannot control his emotions."

 

Wasn't there a rumour doing the rounds about the players insisting that Dorsey stayed in the booth rather than being on the sidelines, because of his approach?

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Well Josh was hardly going to say, "We hated it and are concerned that our OC cannot control his emotions."

 

Wasn't there a rumour doing the rounds about the players insisting that Dorsey stayed in the booth rather than being on the sidelines, because of his approach?

I think that was Daboll but not entirely sure.

 

No way Josh phrases it like that if he doesn't mean it.  Emotion and using emotion is a part of sports.   McDermott also appreciates this and encourages it.   He didn't appreciate Dorsey as a coach losing his cool, but to Josh and teammates it showed he was fully invested in victory.

[North Buffalo]

Always interesting to me to see non medical persons reaction to a little blood and guts... Patella injury is a little disconcerting to me but hardly blood and guts... seen a lot worse... and it is something that is fixable not life or death... gruesome is a someone with a necrotic foot already half amputated due to diabetes and the smell makes you vomit... or gun shot big hole on the otherside... dislocated double fracture ankle with foot going the wrong way with bone sticking out... just saying Patella going the wrong way is meh.

[4merper4mer]

16 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Always interesting to me to see non medical persons reaction to a little blood and guts... Patella injury is a little disconcerting to me but hardly blood and guts... seen a lot worse... and it is something that is fixable not life or death... gruesome is a someone with a necrotic foot already half amputated due to diabetes and the smell makes you vomit... or gun shot big hole on the otherside... dislocated double fracture ankle with foot going the wrong way with bone sticking out... just saying Patella going the wrong way is meh.

I’m not medical but not much gets to me.  Anyway, one time in my neighborhood this annoying kid Spencer got too far on the nerves of this bully named Negan who took out a knife and cut him deep across his abdomen.  Spencer’s intestines fell out of his gut and it looked like a bunch of snakes crawling around.  I almost puked.  Ever seen anything like that?  How about some other stuff?

[mikemac2001]

Not really a big deal to me.

Probably spend way more time together then anyone else and in a somewhat meaningless game he has another terrible injury.

 

but if Josh Allen ever ***** cry’s I’ll be so

***** pissed 😂

[Eastport bills]

CJ was a one year illusion that crashed and burned after defensive coordinators watched him on film. All of a sudden he’s not accurate, takes bad sacks and is so emotionally ill equipped to be an NFL QB, that he’s not capable of winning against good teams.

[DCofNC]

21 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

CJ was a one year illusion that crashed and burned after defensive coordinators watched him on film. All of a sudden he’s not accurate, takes bad sacks and is so emotionally ill equipped to be an NFL QB, that he’s not capable of winning against good teams.

I’m not going to go that far, but he is not the same player he was last year.

[benderbender]

The Tank Dell injury was their Damar Hamlin incident. No one should be surprised that their team responded similarly to ours in the 2022 season: sleepwalking through the next games while questioning if football is worth your body/life. 

[Dan Darragh]

Never mind the crying.  Stroud played like doo-doo last night.