CJ Stroud's uncontrollable crying.....

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, AkwiredTste said:

Can you imagine rolling into Iwo Jima and yelling at the troops..."hey hold up guys..Sarge needs a moment"

I get it, dude got into his feels, but c'mon

 

Bingo 

[Johnny Bravo]

2 hours ago, DapperCam said:

Players get knee injuries like every other week. It’s part of the game. It is so much different than an unconscious player getting chest compressions.

this wasn’t just a regular knee injury.  It was disturbing looking.

So where is the line where real men and leaders can show emotion?

 

I ask as someone who is pretty unemotional myself but who doesn’t see anything wrong with how Stroud acted.

[billsfan_34]

15 hours ago, Special K said:

I understand guys should be upset when one of their teammates goes down with such a gruesome injury, but Stroud's over the top antics seemed quite juvenile and unbecoming of a Captain of the Offense and a supposed leader of the team.

 

I counted at least 5 different teammates that had to come over and comfort him, trying to tell him to get it together with no success. he was crying so much, you would think he was actually the one injured......way to take the focus away from your injured teammate.

 

Anyone with any sense should have realized the cameras were going to be on you in that moment, and you need to keep it together and act like a leader....not to mention the fact that he played pretty poorly after the Dell injury.

 

I know a lot of Bills players had tears in their eyes during the Hamlin incident, but that was a completely different situation IMO.....they thought he died on the field.

 

I just thought it was a bad look and a little immature for the face of their franchise to carry on in that way.

 

Flame away!!!!!

Go take a nap 😂

[Behindenemylines]

53 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Imagine still believing it's not "manly" for a man to show emotions... Oh wait, I'm sure emotions are approved, as long as you're showing the "right" emotions.

 

You know, like a choreographed dance routine in the endzone or getting in someone's face in anger, or flexing over a guy you just tackled. Now THAT is manly!

 

Football is just a game, but it's very manly to get amped up & angry. Violence is ok, but empathy & sadness? Pssssh... get that p***y stuff out of here! 🙄

This is such a weak response.  Look for something new to preach about. 
 

you don’t get the point apparently 

[Simon]

Just now, Johnny Bravo said:

So where is the line where real men and leaders can show emotion?

 

As has been pointed out multiple times, there is nothing wrong with showing emotion.

Allowing it to incapacitate you to the point where it hurts the people who are depending on you is another story.

[Sierra Foothills]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

this wasn’t just a regular knee injury.  It was disturbing looking.

So where is the line where real men and leaders can show emotion?

 

I ask as someone who is pretty unemotional myself but who doesn’t see anything wrong with how Stroud acted.

 

That's a legit question.

 

Also legit question, at what point does he shake it off, call a huddle, rally the troops, and resume his professional duty to lead the team?

 

[CSBill]

15 hours ago, US Egg said:

I didn’t cry when Old Yeller died.

 

First movie I ever saw in a theater, as a 7-year old. I’ve been scared ever since. 

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

this wasn’t just a regular knee injury.  It was disturbing looking.

So where is the line where real men and leaders can show emotion?

 

I ask as someone who is pretty unemotional myself but who doesn’t see anything wrong with how Stroud acted.

 

The line is you don't allow what is happening now. The opportunity for ppl around you to question your internal fortitude. 

 

It's not fair but look at the thread. Imagine if it was something serious in life? 

 

Again Tony soprano, General Patton. 

 

Never show weakness 

[NORWOODS FOOT]

My grief counselor did such a good job that when he died I didn’t even care.

[NoSaint]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

this wasn’t just a regular knee injury.  It was disturbing looking.

So where is the line where real men and leaders can show emotion?

 

I ask as someone who is pretty unemotional myself but who doesn’t see anything wrong with how Stroud acted.

if the kickoff was fumbled and he needed to walk on the field, was he ready based on how he was managing himself? was he helping his team all be ready?

 

sometimes you have to set it aside and deal with it later

[Beast]

22 minutes ago, Johnny Bravo said:

this wasn’t just a regular knee injury.  It was disturbing looking.

So where is the line where real men and leaders can show emotion?

 

I ask as someone who is pretty unemotional myself but who doesn’t see anything wrong with how Stroud acted.

 

Where is the line?

 

Right here……

 

 

[US Egg]

I’ve had all I can stand, I can’t stands no more.

 

 

[Johnny Bravo]

16 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

Where is the line?

 

Right here……

 

 

Well done😂.

 

Merry Christmas😊

[TYSONKO1]

Call me what you will, I cried after they lost to the chiefs.

[Comebackkid]

after watching this game i know how he felt 😃

7 hours ago, Beast said:

 

Where is the line?

 

Right here……

 

 

Johnny Cash:   I walked the line.

[MikePJ76]

7 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

The line is you don't allow what is happening now. The opportunity for ppl around you to question your internal fortitude. 

 

It's not fair but look at the thread. Imagine if it was something serious in life? 

 

Again Tony soprano, General Patton. 

 

Never show weakness 

OMG did u just use a tv character who was an anti-hero who most importantly had a secret that he was seeing a shrink because he had panic attacks as some sort of gold standard of what a man is???  The key plot point of the whole first season was the big bad bossman had to see a shrink because he had mommy issues which caused him to panic and not do his job.....

 

You have to be kidding with this, James Gandolfini would be on the opposite side of you in this discussion I promise you.  

 

This is amazing!

 

also General Patton was a psycho.  He is no archetype to hold up as a hero.  He was so much of a psycho that it cost him his command.

 

This is incredible.

[Albany,n.y.]

The most crying I've seen by a player is when Dexter Manley got banned by the NFL & cried like one of those preachers caught either stealing money or molesting people.  For years I mocked Manley's press conference as the  "I have sinned against the NFL" retirement. 

 

As far as football players crying, just watch a big time player retire or during a HOF induction speech.  Plenty of tears & nobody condemns their emotional response (except for maybe the OP).   

[Mikie2times]

8 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

The US Military has a phrase... "Fit for Command."

 

Even in a non-military, civilian culture, high-level leaders have a professional imperative.

 

In fact I would imagine that there are many people in this very conversation who have professional positions where "falling to pieces" is simply not an option.

 

Even as a head of household in the midst of an emergency/tragedy you cannot lose your mind.

 

 

 

Agree, its the whole "not lose your mind part". Imagine needing to really trust or believe in somebody seconds after an extreme emotional outburst? How could you maintain confidence in that moment? Not about crying. 

Edited Monday at 05:17 AM by Mikie2times

[Dr.Sack]

15 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Agree, its the whole "not lose your mind part". Imagine needing to really trust or believe in somebody seconds after an extreme emotional outburst? How could you maintain confidence in that moment? Not about crying. 

I dunno, it’s part of the game and Stroud is a man of faith and always praises God. Probably wondering why God is trying him so much. Now he’s down to 1 elite WR from 3 to start the season.  

[Kelly to Allen]

11 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

OMG did u just use a tv character who was an anti-hero who most importantly had a secret that he was seeing a shrink because he had panic attacks as some sort of gold standard of what a man is???  The key plot point of the whole first season was the big bad bossman had to see a shrink because he had mommy issues which caused him to panic and not do his job.....

 

You have to be kidding with this, James Gandolfini would be on the opposite side of you in this discussion I promise you.  

 

This is amazing!

 

also General Patton was a psycho.  He is no archetype to hold up as a hero.  He was so much of a psycho that it cost him his command.

 

This is incredible.

 

I mean I'm kinda joking with it a bit lol. 

 

I agree Tony soprano's character arc would go back and forth between, hero, anti hero and villain protagonist. But he was generally a flawed character 

 

My point wasn't about Tony soprano's moral scruples, it was that showing weakness and vulnerability is usually a dangerous proposition in a position of leadership. 

 

Interesting enough, I do agree kinda with some of your take on the sopranos, but Dr melfi and her worldview was pretty naive and hypocritical. Almost to the point of humiliation and moral relativism run amok...As was the priest , Tonys wife Carmella. Certainly others too....

 

As evil as Tony was, he was in touch with reality as a " gang leader / mob boss"...But he would obviously not be someone I would view as a " hero ". He was at his worst a manipulative sociopath but also had some redeeming qualities. His relationship with the one legged lady was my favorite of the show. I'm paraphrasing but she said something along the lines of " you Americans have too much time on your hands. Ppl in Russia always expect something bad to happen, while ppl in the West or America never expect anything bad to happen..." Tonys character was at it's highest moral high ground when he reflected on that along with finally commencing justice on Ralph even when it would've cost him a lot of money and resources...

 

It's probably a bad example. Like I said the character archetype is an example of how weakness in many forms of leadership is extremely dangerous. Not an endorsement of the characters moral integrity....

 

General Patton is more just a nostalgic archetype. 

 

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was kinda joking 😉

Edited Monday at 03:43 PM by Kelly to Allen