CJ Stroud's uncontrollable crying.....

[Maynard]

I understand the emotion. However, I did think it was a little weird as well. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Saint Doug said:

We can’t judge another person’s emotional response. 

Of course we can, and do, to think otherwise is kinda silly, not making a positive or negative assessment here, it’s just that we all do so, 

[todd]

The dude is his best friend and it was pretty gruesome, apparently. Stroud pretty much realized Dell's career might be over, and he's not wrong.  Everybody processes stuff differently, and who are we to judge how someone deals with an injury to that to a close friend.

 

This "macho" crap is absolutely stupid. Let people process how they process. Everybody deals with stuff differently, and the world would be in a better spot if we didn't ridicule others for how they deal with things. 

 

A little kindness, especially this time of year, would be a better way to look at things. 

[Maine-iac]

It's almost like this is just a game or something.  

[Heavy Kevi]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I agree with OP.  This reminds me of a story from the old country that my grandparents used to tell me.  The story was about a little boy and his family who were all attending the village's annual Corn Solstice Festival.  The little boy was too scared to go on the donkey ride and watched from the sideline as his family rode the donkeys.  In a freak accident his family was thrown from the backs of their asses and shredded to pieces in a giant corn thresher.  The accident although gruesome was quite routine for Corn Solstice Festivals of their time.  Upon seeing his entire family torn to pieces the little boy let out a single tear.  Incensed by the disgusting display of emotion, the villagers set upon the child, cursing him, pelting him with corn, and spitting on him.  He was banished to the forest where he would live out his days coming to the edge of the village to beg for scraps, trading skunk pelts for stale bread.  And thats how it went until the day he died, sad, alone, and scared. 

 

The story was called "The Sad Little P*ssy Boy Who Cried That One Time."  The message, however, is clear. The old country sounds horrible.

 

Omg I'm so sorry to hear about your family getting shredded at the corn solstice festival.

 

I bet you can't even eat corn to this day🌽

 

But I don't want your skunk pelts.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I wonder how many of the people casting doubt on Stroud’s manhood in this thread would crap their pants in the face of an NFL DE bearing down on them.  Weird thread.

[wppete]

Hes in his second year of most likely a long career. If he cries like a baby seeing injuries he is in the wrong sport. He’s should be a leader and not being consoled by players. He’s got a lot of growing up to do. 

[Sierra Foothills]

11 hours ago, US Egg said:

I didn’t cry when Old Yeller died.

 

Which makes you subhuman.

 

5 hours ago, The Helmet of said:

Lassie dies? I’m not deep into Lassie lore...

 

6 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Lassie didn’t die. She was taken to a big farm in the country. Lives there to this day. 

 

Thank you for letting me know. I felt a good cry coming on...

 

4 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

It's an emotional game and Stroud throws a TD to his best friend only to watch him suffer a gruesome injury that may end his career, I'm not going to rag on him for that.

 

The rest of the team may not have cried but they had let it ruin the rest of their games. The Kicker proceeds to miss the XP and nobody on the team stepped up from that point on. I'm fairly certain that if the Bills vs Bengals game continued after what happened to Hamlin you would've seen a team done for the day and the rout would've been on.

 

At some point, someone needed to gather the team together and get their heads back on straight. I view that as the responsibility of a few people on any football team, including the quarterback.

 

Anyone know what DeMeco Ryans was doing in the aftermath of the injury?

 

4 hours ago, stevewin said:

This topic has the potential to be almost as divisive as whether our WR room got quietly better

 

Flutie vs Rob Johnson...

 

3 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

I think the dislike of Stroud built around here when he didn't name Josh in his top five QBs.

 

ETA - He actually amended it later, and added Josh at fourth, behind Mahomes, Jackson and himself.

 

True statement. That really pissed me off and caused me to dislike Stroud... but on the other hand it's a failure due to his youth and also a reflection of those around him who are supposed to be helping him keep things real.

 

3 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

This is right on the line of an acceptable list. Obviously he's not better than Josh, but no problem with him betting on himself. Time has shown us that there is a very clear delineation between the top 4 and everyone else. It's that list, minus Stroud, plus Burrow. 

 

3 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

Was his list from before this season, or very early in this season? Burrow didn't really have the opportunity to do anything last season, so not a huge deal. I think this is the season Burrow has proved he isn't going anywhere. 

 

Even Jalen Hurts looked like an MVP for a second. Only time can separate the best from the rest. 

 

I can't remember a single NFL QB offering their list of top QBs in the league, much less putting themselves on that list above other obviously more accomplished QBs. This mere act defies acceptability IMO. WTF was he thinking? Correction, clearly he wasn't thinking.

 

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I can only imagine the thread here if Allen cried over a teammates season ending injury and got criticized over it. 

 

If he didn't cry in front of his teammates during the Damar episode I don't think it would ever happen.

 

25 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I was Wendy's employee of the month when I was a teenager. 

 

Got free food all the time too. It was awesome 😎 

 

That's awesome! Did you get the special parking space too?

 

8 minutes ago, todd said:

The dude is his best friend and it was pretty gruesome, apparently. Stroud pretty much realized Dell's career might be over, and he's not wrong.  Everybody processes stuff differently, and who are we to judge how someone deals with an injury to that to a close friend.

 

This "macho" crap is absolutely stupid. Let people process how they process. Everybody deals with stuff differently, and the world would be in a better spot if we didn't ridicule others for how they deal with things. 

 

A little kindness, especially this time of year, would be a better way to look at things. 

 

Great post and I agree with it... but it's also true that an NFL team is a different culture with different standards.

 

IMO he needed to get it out of his system, then set the emotions aside and resume his mantle of leadership. This is what great leaders do in times of adversity.

 

[Simon]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

You’ll notice that no-one else was crying for extended periods like Stroud was. Not the coach, not the other receivers - no one.

 

I've watched a lot of football games over the last half century and I have never seen anything quite like that.

I don't want to be a hardass meathead and question his manhood, but it is such an outlier that I think it's valid to wonder whether it was appropriate.

[DapperCam]

4 hours ago, Johnny Bravo said:

When Damar was getting chest compressions I was on the phone with my brother.  The broadcast had cut to commercial and when they came back they showed a ***** of Josh’s face.  Just from seeing Josh’s natural human reaction to what he was seeing I said to my brother “I think he is dead”.  If Stroud lost the respect of his teammates then Josh probably should’ve too.

 

Of course Damar was dying and Dell wasn’t, but Stroud and Dell are best friends and that injury was disturbing to see.  Add that Stroud knew he’d never get to play ball with his friend again because that friend’s career if possibly (likely?) over and he would have to be an automaton to not have some sort of visible reaction.

 

Players get knee injuries like every other week. It’s part of the game. It is so much different than an unconscious player getting chest compressions.

[dpberr]

The Texans effectively left the stadium after the injury.  I put that 100% on Ryans.  Can't be Mr. Stoic in that moment, staring across the field, with your headset on. 

[NickelCity]

Just now, dpberr said:

The Texans effectively left the stadium after the injury.  I put that 100% on Ryans.  Can't be Mr. Stoic in that moment, staring across the field, with your headset on. 

 

Eh. As someone said above, Stroud made a really nice 3rd down throw that his TE should have caught. After that drop, it was done.

 

I don't like his on field body language at ALL, but I'm not going to sweat him for his reaction to the dell injury. 

[Kelly to Allen]

23 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Which makes you subhuman.

 

 

 

Thank you for letting me know. I felt a good cry coming on...

 

 

At some point, someone needed to gather the team together and get their heads back on straight. I view that as the responsibility of a few people on any football team, including the quarterback.

 

Anyone know what DeMeco Ryans was doing in the aftermath of the injury?

 

 

Flutie vs Rob Johnson...

 

 

True statement. That really pissed me off and caused me to dislike Stroud... but on the other hand it's a failure due to his youth and also a reflection of those around him who are supposed to be helping him keep things real.

 

 

 

I can't remember a single NFL QB offering their list of top QBs in the league, much less putting themselves on that list above other obviously more accomplished QBs. This mere act defies acceptability IMO. WTF was he thinking? Correction, clearly he wasn't thinking.

 

 

If he didn't cry in front of his teammates during the Damar episode I don't think it would ever happen.

 

 

That's awesome! Did you get the special parking space too?

 

 

Great post and I agree with it... but it's also true that an NFL team is a different culture with different standards.

 

IMO he needed to get it out of his system, then set the emotions aside and resume his mantle of leadership. This is what great leaders do in times of adversity.

 

 

 

I actually didn't have a car lol.

 

What was cool tho, I worked nights obviously and I could literally eat whatever I wanted during break, and then after midnight I would always make a huge meal to take home. Obviously when you're younger and playing sports you can eat anything you want lol 

 

I would combine the breaded chicken patty with a double cheeseburger. I would make two of those with everything plus fries plus a huge frosty. I would even bring my GF at the time something usually. My manager was super cool. He was retired military and already had a pension. He said once he retired he just wanted a simple job with ppl to talk to. Dude would play pink Floyd loud as we closed and cleaned up. 

 

But that was the last time I cried. I was 19 and my first GF broke up with me. My father saw me crying in my room and told me to go lift weights, cut the lawn or find something to do. Not to mope around and feel sorry for myself. 

 

I went on to join the military. My manager at Wendy's was a big reason I joined. 

 

Great great memories. Who would of thought at the time working at Wendy's would have a profound impact. 

 

Cj Stroud will be fine. We all mature as men around that age 

 

Edited December 22 by Kelly to Allen

[Process]

Two things can be true. 

 

Seeing your best friend suffer a devastating injury is hard and it's understandable for a young man to be emotional. There's no shame in crying and nothing wrong with what we saw from CJ.

 

and

 

Someone susceptible to those emotions, with complete inability to get past them, is unlikely to be the fierce competitor and leader needed to be an elite QB who can lead a franchise to a championship. 

 

He's not Tom Brady and that's fine. If I'm a Texans fan I'm way more concerned with his play and significant regression this year. He looks lost and I'm not sure he's even a top 15 QB currently. Probably shouldn't have spent all offseason parading around talking himself up on every podcast known to man. 

 

The media got to his head but he's young. Hopefully this year is a humbling experience for him. 

[BarleyNY]

25 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

If he didn't cry in front of his teammates during the Damar episode I don't think it would ever happen.

Not my point

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Two things can be true. 

 

Seeing your best friend suffer a devastating injury is hard and it's understandable for a young man to be emotional. There's no shame in crying and nothing wrong with what we saw from CJ.

 

and

 

Someone susceptible to those emotions, with complete inability to get past them, is unlikely to be the fierce competitor and leader needed to be an elite QB who can lead a franchise to a championship. 

 

He's not Tom Brady and that's fine. If I'm a Texans fan I'm way more concerned with his play and significant regression this year. He looks lost and I'm not sure he's even a top 15 QB currently. Probably shouldn't have spent all offseason parading around talking himself up on every podcast known to man. 

 

The media got to his head but he's young. Hopefully this year is a humbling experience for him. 

Tom Brady is a sociopath. No I'm not kidding lol

 

 

[scuba guy]

1 hour ago, Breakout Squad said:

Are you seriously listing your accomplishments on TBD?  That’s super lame. What is even the point? 

Some people have been on many teams.  The point was to show the other poster who said I don't get it.  From a team prospective.  I get it. 

 

[zow2]

Is the Stroud crying a thing nationally? or only here?  I think it’s fairly public that he and Tank Dell are best friends. and to see his friend go through a fractured fibula last year, to a gunshot in the offseason, to a terrible knee injury. I guess he couldn’t hold it together after all those thoughts in his head. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

I mean, I see the fine line of not telling people how they should feel.  I also enjoy judging others and making fun of most, especially  here at TBD, because most of you are nuts.  Go Bills and quit crying

☺️

[finn]

12 hours ago, Special K said:

I understand guys should be upset when one of their teammates goes down with such a gruesome injury, but Stroud's over the top antics seemed quite juvenile and unbecoming of a Captain of the Offense and a supposed leader of the team.

 

I counted at least 5 different teammates that had to come over and comfort him, trying to tell him to get it together with no success. he was crying so much, you would think he was actually the one injured......way to take the focus away from your injured teammate.

 

Anyone with any sense should have realized the cameras were going to be on you in that moment, and you need to keep it together and act like a leader....not to mention the fact that he played pretty poorly after the Dell injury.

 

I know a lot of Bills players had tears in their eyes during the Hamlin incident, but that was a completely different situation IMO.....they thought he died on the field.

 

I just thought it was a bad look and a little immature for the face of their franchise to carry on in that way.

 

Flame away!!!!!

Saying this without judgment, but your reaction might say more about you (and our culture) than Stroud. I don't see anything immature or unleaderly about showing grief at your best friend's devastating injury. Would it have been better for him to grimace and shake his head in a manly way and suppress his emotions?

 

I mean, I get it: He was showing vulnerability, which men aren't supposed to display because they're the Protectors. But we're past that, aren't we? Weep away, CJ. As long as you keep producing as QB, you're a team leader. 

 

Full disclosure: My brother in law is 6'3" 250, played DE at Brown. He's a self-described cry baby, weeping at weddings, etc. No one questions his manliness, believe me. I suspect Stroud's teammates see him in the same light.