Don’t ever sell the team, Woody!

[GaryPinC]

4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Here's the deal with this article.   Woody may indeed be a terrible owner, but this hit piece is the exact reason Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh should never be in a position of leadership in the NFL again.    The article is clearly an attempt by their people to pass the buck onto ownership for their own failures.    For example:

 

“They keep on doing the same thing over and over: they change the football people. The football people are not the issue,” one former executive said. “It’s, ‘Hey, I have brain cancer.’ And, ‘Well, just cut off your foot.'”- Calling BS on this one.  Joe Douglas drafted Zach Wilson not Woody Johnson. Joe Douglas traded for an about to be 40-year-old Quarterback, not Woody Johnson.   The Jets had 8 different top 15 picks in the draft from 2019-2024.    Somehow instead of turning any of those picks into a serviceable Quarterback Douglas collected edge rushers, cornerbacks, and wide receivers with no one to pass them the ball.   It's clearly a football people thing.  

 

On the Jerry Jeudy thing.  Yes, its stupid but Jerry Jeudy is the hill Douglas wants to die on?   Was Jerry Jeudy going to somehow make the Jets a Super Bowl Contender?  

 

It's fairly clear the Jets hired two guys in Douglas and Saleh who lack an appetite for personal responsibility.    Rather than take a look in the mirror for how the organization was run under their leadership they decided to cover their butts by blaming the guy who paid them millions of dollars to be failures.    

You've got some great points, and Douglas may deserve fired, but it always starts at the top.  Every Bills fan should know that at this point in our history.  What was Johnson's role in drafting Zach Wilson?  Bringing in Rodgers?  I don't know but I highly doubt Douglas had free rein there.  There's a lot of talented Jets players, especially on defense.  Then, these lousy decisions at quarterback.  Hmmmm.

 

Cleveland Browns.  Jimmy Haslam.  Very similar to the Jets.  Gonna blame GM Andrew Berry for signing Deshaun Watson?  That's delusional.  14 seasons for the Jets without the playoffs now.  Deja vu.

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

They also passed on Dan Marino in 1983 for....Ken O'Brien!

 

Plus, people that old do not play Madden.

 

Yeah, but Brick does

Edited Thursday at 08:16 PM by Slippery Rubber Mats

[Doc]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

They didn't budge because the price wasn't paid. Everyone and everything has a price. Tell me that a decade plus of Roethlisberger wouldn't have been worth whatever it took to move up.

 

That's easy to say in hindsight after he had a HOF career.  And without knowing what was actually offered.

[DrDawkinstein]

Punk kid owners son handing out game balls before coach could even speak. Players behind him dont look amused.

 

[Clyde Smith]

6 hours ago, QCity said:

I also learned he named his son "Brick" and takes advice from him. 

Brick hard Johnson 

[Mike in Horseheads]

Da Brick

 

[JohnNord]

7 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Terry deserves the complaints when it comes to the Sabres.

Terry is very much like Ralph Wilson when it comes to the Sabres 

[GASabresIUFan]

7 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

The NY jets not only passed on the greatest QB that's ever lived in 17, they passed on another top ten all time QB the very next year in 18

They then tripled down and instead of being patient and surrounding Darnold with competent coaching and talent, they traded away a good legitimate starting QB in Darnold. 

 

It's astonishing levels of incompetence 

So what your saying is that the Jets are the Sabres of the NFL.  Maybe that's why they have matching 14 years of missing the playoffs.

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

You've got some great points, and Douglas may deserve fired, but it always starts at the top.  Every Bills fan should know that at this point in our history.  What was Johnson's role in drafting Zach Wilson?  Bringing in Rodgers?  I don't know but I highly doubt Douglas had free rein there.  There's a lot of talented Jets players, especially on defense.  Then, these lousy decisions at quarterback.  Hmmmm.

 

Cleveland Browns.  Jimmy Haslam.  Very similar to the Jets.  Gonna blame GM Andrew Berry for signing Deshaun Watson?  That's delusional.  14 seasons for the Jets without the playoffs now.  Deja vu.

Woody is likely a train wreck and the Jets remind me a lot of the Bills before McDermott.  
 

But Douglas and Saleh deserve a lot of blame too.  Douglas is a lot like Doug Whaley.  He’s made some good personnel moves, but has no clue how to build a team.  Also failed badly at the QB position.  

 

Saleh is almost like a younger, charismatic version of Dick Jauron.  Solid defensive coordinator but can’t build an offense resulting in a cycle of second-rate OC’s.  

 

 

 

[Clark Rotary]

The Jets - the gift that keeps on giving, just in time for the holidays!

[Warcodered]

 

[Warcodered]

10 hours ago, QCity said:

Rodgers and Johnson spoke on Oct. 7, just after the Jets lost to the Vikings in London to drop to 2-3, a game behind the Bills in the AFC East with Buffalo coming to MetLife Stadium the following Monday night. According to a team source, Rodgers implored Johnson to remain patient.

 

The following morning, Saleh called Rodgers to let him know he was demoting Hackett and installing passing game coordinator Todd Downing as the new play caller. Rodgers made it clear to Saleh that he did not agree with the decision — so much so that Saleh told his staff to get backup Tyrod Taylor ready to play in case a banged-up, disgruntled Rodgers wouldn’t, according to a team source.

 

Shortly afterward, around 10 a.m. ET, Woody and Christopher Johnson, Woody’s brother and the Jets’ vice chairman, walked into Saleh’s office. Woody told Saleh he was fired. Saleh asked why. Woody told him he didn’t think Saleh could turn the season around and that the team needed a spark. Then the Johnsons walked out of the room.

 

 

This is a pretty good summation of what's wrong with the Jets at this moment, It's at 3 different levels, Ownership, Coaching, and the QB, all of them are a cluster*****.

[ghostwriter]

Was this written by The Onion?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

12 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Truly rich people live and think in a different world, that’s why we don’t…, you finish the sentence 

 

Most of them could care less about people in this country, a whole lot of Gordon Geckos... just look who Woody is buddies with and it tells you everything you need to know.

[MJS]

This is incredible. Truly amazing.

[Richard Noggin]

11 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Passing on a relatively easy trade up to get big Ben when he was perfect for buffalo and everyone knew he was a baller was a gut punch.

 

I literally had a draft party with friends and fully expected buffalo to get big ben and have him sit behind bledsoe for a year. 

 

I still hate we screwed that up. 

 

Would have been the PERFECT Jim Kelly successor on and off the field. Both during and then after their playing days. The similarities are pretty wild. To be honest, Big Ben probably had the stones to win a 'ship here. And be a menace at the same time. 

 

Happy to have waited for the current guy.

Edited yesterday at 03:35 AM by Richard Noggin

[That's No Moon]

8 hours ago, Doc said:

 

That's easy to say in hindsight after he had a HOF career.  And without knowing what was actually offered.

That's true, but even at the time Roethlisberger was much more highly regarded and it was clear that Losman was plan C.

[Doc Brown]

18 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6005172/2024/12/19/woody-johnson-jets-madden-sons/
 

‘Woody Johnson decided to do his own research.

 

Douglas told the Broncos that Johnson didn’t want to make the trade because the owner felt Jeudy’s player rating in “Madden NFL,” the popular video game, wasn’t high enough, according to multiple league sources. The Broncos ultimately traded the receiver to the Cleveland Browns. Last Sunday, Jeudy crossed the 1,000-yard receiving mark for the first time in his career.’

 

This is golden if true.  I wonder if even Rodgers is happy he "decided to do his own research."  I haven't played Manning since I think Eddie George was on the cover but can you create your own player?  I'd hand my resume to Johnson as a kicker with 99 kicking power and 99 accuracy.

Edited yesterday at 07:49 AM by Doc Brown

[CoudyBills]

22 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Terry deserves the complaints when it comes to the Sabres.

 Those players suck.

[GaryPinC]

13 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Woody is likely a train wreck and the Jets remind me a lot of the Bills before McDermott.  
 

But Douglas and Saleh deserve a lot of blame too.  Douglas is a lot like Doug Whaley.  He’s made some good personnel moves, but has no clue how to build a team.  Also failed badly at the QB position.  

 

Saleh is almost like a younger, charismatic version of Dick Jauron.  Solid defensive coordinator but can’t build an offense resulting in a cycle of second-rate OC’s.  

 

 

 

I do wonder what kind of team they could have been with a good quarterback, many picked them to be in contention to win the division.  There's no doubt Douglas and Saleh deserve blame, but can you separate that from Johnson's meddling?  Aaron Rodgers most likely played a strong role in getting Saleh fired.  Douglas still has a job.  Bad owners taint everything below them. 

Even if Johnson hires a top notch GM and coach odds are his meddling will mess it up.