Don’t ever sell the team, Woody!

[BearNorth]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

A lot of these owners are just ridiculous. Woody Johnson, Jerry Jones, Dave Tepper, Mike Brown, Jim Irsay, from the way they carry themselves, to the things that come out of their mouths, to the way they can't even get out of their own way. It's crazy. But such is the lives of some rich people who get caught up in that pride. 

Mark Davis belongs on this list.

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Here's the deal with this article.   Woody may indeed be a terrible owner, but this hit piece is the exact reason Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh should never be in a position of leadership in the NFL again.    The article is clearly an attempt by their people to pass the buck onto ownership for their own failures.    For example:

 

“They keep on doing the same thing over and over: they change the football people. The football people are not the issue,” one former executive said. “It’s, ‘Hey, I have brain cancer.’ And, ‘Well, just cut off your foot.'”- Calling BS on this one.  Joe Douglas drafted Zach Wilson not Woody Johnson. Joe Douglas traded for an about to be 40-year-old Quarterback, not Woody Johnson.   The Jets had 8 different top 15 picks in the draft from 2019-2024.    Somehow instead of turning any of those picks into a serviceable Quarterback Douglas collected edge rushers, cornerbacks, and wide receivers with no one to pass them the ball.   It's clearly a football people thing.  

 

On the Jerry Jeudy thing.  Yes, its stupid but Jerry Jeudy is the hill Douglas wants to die on?   Was Jerry Jeudy going to somehow make the Jets a Super Bowl Contender?  

 

It's fairly clear the Jets hired two guys in Douglas and Saleh who lack an appetite for personal responsibility.    Rather than take a look in the mirror for how the organization was run under their leadership they decided to cover their butts by blaming the guy who paid them millions of dollars to be failures.    

 

At the time the Jets were looking to upgrade from Wilson both JD and Saleh wanted to sign Carr who would have been an upgrade over Wilson. It was Johnson who overruled them because he wanted Rodgers. You can get on JD for the Wilson pick at #2, failure to build a decent OL, and his defense is proving to be overrated this year. But the Rodgers signing is 100% on Johnson. All of the NY media were reporting this to be true.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, BearNorth said:

Mark Davis belongs on this list.

[TheFunPolice]

There are some truly terrible and clueless (and cheap) owners in the league. 

 

I get wanting to be involved and have a hand in what your team does. It would be hard not to. 

 

That said, it would be a lot more fun to win and maybe step in here and there if something huge was going on. 

 

The Bengals are another great example. I imagine them as having powdered creamer at the breakfast buffet and expecting the team to go practice out in lumpy uneven and poorly mowed field out back. Pay the QB then skimp everywhere else and say "you'll figure it out!" 

Edited December 19 by TheFunPolice

[JerseyBills]

NYC radio was ripping him this a.m... They have no chance of landing a top tier HC/GM

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6005172/2024/12/19/woody-johnson-jets-madden-sons/
 

‘Woody Johnson decided to do his own research.

 

The New York Jets’ owner was at his house in Palm Beach, Fla., last February, discussing potential offseason acquisitions with team decision-makers as they watched game tape. Wide receiver Jerry Jeudy, a former Denver Broncos first-round pick, flashed on the screen. Jets general manager Joe Douglas expressed interest, according to someone familiar with the meeting. Johnson took out his phone and started typing.

 

A few weeks later, Douglas and his Broncos counterpart, George Paton, were deep in negotiations for a trade that would have sent Jeudy to the Jets and given future Hall of Fame quarterback Aaron Rodgers another potential playmaker. The Broncos felt a deal was near. Then, abruptly, it all fell apart. In Denver’s executive offices, they couldn’t believe the reason why.

 

Douglas told the Broncos that Johnson didn’t want to make the trade because the owner felt Jeudy’s player rating in “Madden NFL,” the popular video game, wasn’t high enough, according to multiple league sources. The Broncos ultimately traded the receiver to the Cleveland Browns. Last Sunday, Jeudy crossed the 1,000-yard receiving mark for the first time in his career.’

 

 

Jeudy wouldn't have changed the outcome (see: Browns).

 

Rodgers was washed 2 years ago. Woody was right. 

[TheFunPolice]

Rex Ryan BADLY wants the Jets job and has been openly campaigning for it on TV and radio/podcast interviews. 

 

It could happen, and it would be awesome!

[Gregg]

This was a little piece from the NY Times. WOW just WOW if true. 

 

"The Johnson family’s behavior inside the Jets locker room has also become an issue, according to team and league sources. NFL locker rooms are restricted-access spaces typically limited to players, coaches, team personnel and media members. But (woody's teenage sons) Brick and Jack have brought friends — male and female — into the locker room, and current and former players and coaches told The Athletic that Woody Johnson, his wife, Suzanne Ircha Johnson, and his sons criticized players inside the locker room."


"This year, on Halloween night, the Jets registered their first victory since Saleh’s firing four weeks earlier. It was a significant moment for a struggling team. Rodgers walked into an energized locker room with a game ball in hand, and it was expected that he’d give the ball to Ulbrich, a customary gesture when a coach gets his first NFL win.

But before Rodgers could speak, Brick Johnson took another game ball and awarded it to wide receiver Garrett Wilson in a profanity-laced exclamation, which the owner’s son later posted to Instagram. Woody Johnson then gave Ulbrich the ball Rodgers had been holding. Multiple players said the energy felt drained out of the room.

“It was the most awkward, cringe-worthy, brutal experience,” one player said."

[QCity]

Rodgers and Johnson spoke on Oct. 7, just after the Jets lost to the Vikings in London to drop to 2-3, a game behind the Bills in the AFC East with Buffalo coming to MetLife Stadium the following Monday night. According to a team source, Rodgers implored Johnson to remain patient.

 

The following morning, Saleh called Rodgers to let him know he was demoting Hackett and installing passing game coordinator Todd Downing as the new play caller. Rodgers made it clear to Saleh that he did not agree with the decision — so much so that Saleh told his staff to get backup Tyrod Taylor ready to play in case a banged-up, disgruntled Rodgers wouldn’t, according to a team source.

 

Shortly afterward, around 10 a.m. ET, Woody and Christopher Johnson, Woody’s brother and the Jets’ vice chairman, walked into Saleh’s office. Woody told Saleh he was fired. Saleh asked why. Woody told him he didn’t think Saleh could turn the season around and that the team needed a spark. Then the Johnsons walked out of the room.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

48 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont think Ive ever seen a complaint about the Pegulas when it comes to the Bills.

I miss Kim very much. Is this a complaint?🤔

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, mushypeaches said:

And to think, we complain about the Pegulas

The whole article was very reminiscent of Ralph's years.  He allegedly fired Polian because Polian disrespected Ralph's daughter's scouting opinions & called her the C word. 

Edited December 19 by Albany,n.y.

[dave mcbride]

29 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Here's the deal with this article.   Woody may indeed be a terrible owner, but this hit piece is the exact reason Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh should never be in a position of leadership in the NFL again.    The article is clearly an attempt by their people to pass the buck onto ownership for their own failures.    For example:

 

“They keep on doing the same thing over and over: they change the football people. The football people are not the issue,” one former executive said. “It’s, ‘Hey, I have brain cancer.’ And, ‘Well, just cut off your foot.'”- Calling BS on this one.  Joe Douglas drafted Zach Wilson not Woody Johnson. Joe Douglas traded for an about to be 40-year-old Quarterback, not Woody Johnson.   The Jets had 8 different top 15 picks in the draft from 2019-2024.    Somehow instead of turning any of those picks into a serviceable Quarterback Douglas collected edge rushers, cornerbacks, and wide receivers with no one to pass them the ball.   It's clearly a football people thing.  

 

On the Jerry Jeudy thing.  Yes, its stupid but Jerry Jeudy is the hill Douglas wants to die on?   Was Jerry Jeudy going to somehow make the Jets a Super Bowl Contender?  

 

It's fairly clear the Jets hired two guys in Douglas and Saleh who lack an appetite for personal responsibility.    Rather than take a look in the mirror for how the organization was run under their leadership they decided to cover their butts by blaming the guy who paid them millions of dollars to be failures.    

There are many quotes from executives on other teams as well. And this TOTALLY tracks with Johnson's MO over the last 25 years. He makes Dolan look like the Rooney family. And @Gregg is absolutely right about Rodgers. 

Edited December 19 by dave mcbride

[T.E.]

20 minutes ago, QCity said:

I also learned he named his son "Brick" and takes advice from him. 

Brick Johnson would be a great porn name.

[Logic]

36 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Here's the deal with this article.   Woody may indeed be a terrible owner, but this hit piece is the exact reason Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh should never be in a position of leadership in the NFL again.    The article is clearly an attempt by their people to pass the buck onto ownership for their own failures.    For example:

 

“They keep on doing the same thing over and over: they change the football people. The football people are not the issue,” one former executive said. “It’s, ‘Hey, I have brain cancer.’ And, ‘Well, just cut off your foot.'”- Calling BS on this one.  Joe Douglas drafted Zach Wilson not Woody Johnson. Joe Douglas traded for an about to be 40-year-old Quarterback, not Woody Johnson.   The Jets had 8 different top 15 picks in the draft from 2019-2024.    Somehow instead of turning any of those picks into a serviceable Quarterback Douglas collected edge rushers, cornerbacks, and wide receivers with no one to pass them the ball.   It's clearly a football people thing.  

 

I respectfully disagree.

I think the quote is right on the money.

That doesn't mean that Joe Douglas or Robert Saleh or any of their other "football people" over the years should be absolved of any mistakes they made in team building.

But the buck 100% stops with Woody Johnson. He IS a meddlesome, impulsive owner. I will repeat over and over again the idea that Marv Levy espoused in his autobiography: In order to be a consistently winning franchise in the NFL, you have to be good from the top down. And "the top" means ownership. If you have bad ownership -- whether meddlesome, impulsive, cheap, impatient, whatever -- you're never going to consistently field a good franchise in this league.

The Jets have an ownership problem. The quote seems right on the money.

Edited December 19 by Logic

[Albany,n.y.]

43 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Even the Bills in their deepest, darkest years of the Drought, never f'd up picking a great QB when they had a real opportunity to grab one.  

- In the 2004 draft, the Bills wanted Roethlisberger but the Stillers took him 2 spots before the Bills' turn.  The Bills traded back into the first round to take Losman who was the only other QB considered a first round prospect in that draft.  IMO, with a different FO and better coaching than Dick Jauron, Losman might have become a decent starter. 

- In 2017, the Bills swapped their first round pick (#10) to the Chiefs for their 2017 first rounder (#21 IIRC) plus KC's first rounder.  The Chiefs drafted Mahomes, but the Bills used their draft capital to take Allen.

2004: I blame Donahoe for not having the guts to offer enough to get into the top 10 & draft Roethlisberger.  Remember, we started at 21 & went all the way up to 7 to draft Josh because Beane was willing to toss the draft value charts aside & do whatever it took to get his QB.  There's no way that JP Losman would have ever been a decent starter in the NFL.  He just didn't have it-he had one of the most respected offensive minds in the NFL coaching him, Sam Wyche, and couldn't be developed.  Jauron hired the right guy to develop Losman & JP didn't have the goods. 

 

The Losman trade cost the Bills the chance to draft Aaron Rodgers with the pick that they traded to Dallas.  So they did F up picking a great QB when they had a real opportunity to grab one. 

 

None of the draft capital from the Mahomes trade was used to draft Allen.  Allen's trade involved 1st trading our own pick 21 to Cincinnati with Glenn to move up to 12 & then dealing our own 2nd rounder & the 2nd rounder acquired from the Rams in the Watkins trade plus pick 12 to move up to 7.  

 

 

Edited December 19 by Albany,n.y.

[T master]

1 hour ago, mushypeaches said:

And to think, we complain about the Pegulas

 

YAH ! There are those here that can't see the forest for the tree's when it comes to ownership or coaching, and don't have a clue how good we as fans have it here in B/Lo ! 

 

They would rather throw the baby out with the bath water to go back wards to a time of irrelevance in the NFL .

 

How soon we forget how it was not so long ago ... And to those haters i say - EAT A BOOGER !!! 

[Low Positive]

So this year's late-season Athletic hit piece is about Jets? Why can't they go after the Chiefs or something?

[boco357]

I assume Brick was named after D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, boco357 said:

I assume Brick was named after D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

Or this guy

[RiotAct]

1 hour ago, BearNorth said:

Just watched the yesterday clip of Rodgers, looks like he's checked out mentally.

hopefully he starts next Sunday @ BUF!