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Which Allen Throw was his best v Lions  

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  1. 1. What was his best throw

    • Basketball Pass to Kincaid
    • Deep shot to Keon
    • Over the shoulder to Kincaid in stride
    • Back across the middle to Ty running right
    • Back across the middle to Cook running left
    • 4th and 2 fingertip shot to Knox
    • Quick little shuttle pass flip to Shakir
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    • Pass in the flat to Davis after the on side kick debacle
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I think the most impressive and crazy athletic only JA can do throw was the 20 yard dart to Cook while running to his left and throwing it at least 5 yards back to his right.  

 

The throw that was the most professional was the modified wheel (ran through the o-line instead of around the outside of the o-line) route over the shoulder arching pass to Johnson.  That was just perfection.  Probably the best touch deep throw he has ever made.  

1 hour ago, infernus said:

The second throw in this clip. I assume that's Back across the middle to Cook running left

 

That first pass to Johnson is so beautiful.  However the route design is even better. Most up the field pass patterns like that by a RB go outside the OT and up the sideline.  This one Johnson goes between the OT/OG and up the seam while angling toward the sideline.  This keeps the LB flat footed at first and then allows Johnson to keep running away from him toward the sideline.  Just a killer design.  Not sure I've seen that route before.  If other have let me know.  

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I read Josh was running 16 MPH to his left when he hit Cook in stride running at least as fast in the opposite direction. Phenomenal throw that even he probably couldn’t do twice in a row. 

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I picked the throw to Cook.  Some QBs would need to come to more of a stop and square their hips to make that throw to even a stationary target.  That lets the pursuing defender close and maybe affect the play.  Josh makes that throw without slowing down, side arms it like a shortstop to first base but Cook is moving to the right and Josh hits him in his chest.   Don't see many throws like that even attempted.

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I thought that throw to Ty Johnson between 3 defenders as he rolled out, dances back and then throws a laser low almost 30 yards downfield for him to go get was one of the most unbelievable throws I have ever seen.

 

It looked like one of those crazy plays you do on Madden that you are like "well I'll never see that in real life", but then Allen actually does it in real life.

 

But I mean the sicko throw to Cook across his body running left throwing back right and he puts it on a line perfectly in stride and the Coleman throw are almost equally unbelievable.

 

It's just crazy how he has a season+ worth of highlights for most QBs in a single game.

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2 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

The really crazy thing is that he’s gone hyperbolically Favre-like with off schedule throws all while protecting the ball *better*.
 

This is a guy who’s figured out exactly how many pixie sticks to eat pre game.

I know this won't go over well, but he actually reminds me of prime Aaron Rodgers.  He always made the difficult throws look so easy. 

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4 hours ago, infernus said:

The second throw in this clip. I assume that's Back across the middle to Cook running left

 

 

I voted for the one at 0:57 in this clip. The amount of subtle absurdity to pull the ball down to drop the defensive players arms, then put it right over his helmet with a quick release, right into the middle of 3 defenders hitting a second level receiver dead in stride that he shouldn't even have been able to SEE. I don't think even Madden lets you do stuff that.

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I'm taking the 3rd and 4 corner route to Kincaid. Two reasons:

 

1) The difficulty of the throw. That pass has to be dropped in a bucket with the CB in decent position behind and a safety closing. Kincaid doesn't even have to put his hands up to catch it, it drops right into the breadbasket. This is a throw that takes more than just Josh's natural physical talents, it is the culmination of all the work he's put in to fixing his mechanics. The definition of "uh oh, Happy learned how to putt."

 

2) The difficulty of the moment. It's easy to forget now but this was a critical play in the game. 3rd down, a punt here would have been devastating and let Detroit right back into the game. It doesn't get more clutch than making that throw in that moment to take all the wind out of Detroit's sails. As a DC you just have to shake your head and accept you aren't stopping this guy.

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It was either the corner route to Kincaid or the over the shoulder throw to Johnson first drive of the game.

 

Definitely not the Knox finger tip grab. That might have been his worst throw. Great call, great catch, but if Josh misses that it is a bad miss to a wide open guy. Was probably his one genuinely iffy throw of the day and his guy made a play for him.

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I didn’t vote but they’re all amazing.  I’ve already watched the condensed version of this game again three times, just to marvel at how Josh managed this offense and re-appreciate those throws.  I also agree with Josh that they left points out there despite scoring 48.

 

Perhaps this is not the right place for this additional analysis, but I felt “better” about the defense after rewatching the game as well.  Bernard was literally a fingertip away from deflecting or intercepting the 3rd-and-17 shot to St. Brown that kept Detroit in the game.  I think he thought he had it.  If that one pass isn’t completed this game never even has the appearance of being close.

 

Would love to see this defense get just a touch healthier…and I am a bit excited about the prospect of a Hyde/Rapp safety combo for the playoffs.

 

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1 minute ago, eball said:

I didn’t vote but they’re all amazing.  I’ve already watched the condensed version of this game again three times, just to marvel at how Josh managed this offense and re-appreciate those throws.  I also agree with Josh that they left points out there despite scoring 48.

 

Perhaps this is not the right place for this additional analysis, but I felt “better” about the defense after rewatching the game as well.  Bernard was literally a fingertip away from deflecting or intercepting the 3rd-and-17 shot to St. Brown that kept Detroit in the game.  I think he thought he had it.  If that one pass isn’t completed this game never even has the appearance of being close.

 

Would love to see this defense get just a touch healthier…and I am a bit excited about the prospect of a Hyde/Rapp safety combo for the playoffs.

 

 

Until that play the defense had been good. That was a great play by the Lions, a bad angle by Lewis, but the Bills responded by going into a really soft zone too early (note to all readers - not all zone defense is "soft zone" which is a common mistake on here, but after the St Brown play they did go to soft zone) to try and avoid another quick strike. The result of which was the Lions went from a 5 play, 70 yard drive in 1:50 with a quick strike touchdown to a 5 play, 70 yard touchdown drive in 2:02..... so dropping off did not work. It is a worry for me in terms of Bobby Babich. I think he lacks patience. That is two weeks in a row I think he has been too quick to make an adjustment and the adjustment was not the right one and he did it in Baltimore too. 

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30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Until that play the defense had been good. That was a great play by the Lions, a bad angle by Lewis, but the Bills responded by going into a really soft zone too early (note to all readers - not all zone defense is "soft zone" which is a common mistake on here, but after the St Brown play they did go to soft zone) to try and avoid another quick strike. The result of which was the Lions went from a 5 play, 70 yard drive in 1:50 with a quick strike touchdown to a 5 play, 70 yard touchdown drive in 2:02..... so dropping off did not work. It is a worry for me in terms of Bobby Babich. I think he lacks patience. That is two weeks in a row I think he has been too quick to make an adjustment and the adjustment was not the right one and he did it in Baltimore too. 

 

Could part of that (in this game) be a function of not trusting the backup players in the secondary?

 

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1 minute ago, eball said:

 

Could part of that (in this game) be a function of not trusting the backup players in the secondary?

 

 

Yes, I think it could. But it remains a niggling concern for me. Whether it was base defense that put the worst player on the 53 on the field more in Baltimore, blitzing a Quarterback who was trying to exploit intermediate windows (thereby making them bigger) in LA or sinking into soft zone then still giving up a quick score anyway on Sunday. I think he gets a bit impatient. One of the things I value the most in my defensive coordinators is patience. 

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To me, it's the back across his body, while rolling to his left, dime to Cook in perfect stride. The throw to Coleman on a rope 60 yds down the field is a close 2nd. 

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