Excellent Tre White Podcast Interview - Talks a lot of Bills topics -Allen, 13 seconds, Vontae Davis

[Big Turk]

Love this dude...This is awesome and gives some good insights into some past history of events...

 

Vontae Davis told him on the sideline "Yeah, young boo...I think I'm done...I ain't got it no more...this is a young man's game...I'm done" 😂😂

 

Said Davis was done with like 3 minutes left in the 2nd quarter and told him and Frazier he wasn't going back in, not at halftime.

 

Said him and Shady called him on Facetime the next day and went over to his house and he answered the door with a huge glass of wine and Shady was like "Oh you gonna take like a week off and be back right?" nad Davis is like "Nah, man..I'm done, ain't nothing they can do...it's a young man's game...you Shady McCoy, you "Cut on a Dime", but you gonna know what I'm saying one day...you gonna make that cut and them young boys ain't goin' for it no more and you'll know it's that time."  

 

Tre said they were dying laughing...

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Big Turk

[GunnerBill]

Not only do I think a fully healthy Tre White makes a difference on that final Chiefs drive in the 13 second game.... I think he makes a difference on the previous drive, the long Hill catch and run where the corner took the wrong angle on him (forget if it was Wallace or Jackson now). One of the things peak Tre White was awesome at was angles of approach. He was just so fundamentally sound. 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Not only do I think a fully healthy Tre White makes a difference on that final Chiefs drive in the 13 second game.... I think he makes a difference on the previous drive, the long Hill catch and run where the corner took the wrong angle on him (forget if it was Wallace or Jackson now). One of the things peak Tre White was awesome at was angles of approach. He was just so fundamentally sound. 

 

Tre said he was at home watching and he knew the play they were running to Hill coming out of the timeout and he was screaming at the TV...said he saw it in the Dallas game, it was the same play...said he wished he was out there cause he could have alerted his teammates to what was coming...said he wasn't saying he would have made the play but that he could have at least told them what was coming.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Tre said he was at home watching and he knew the play they were running to Hill coming out of the timeout and he was screaming at the TV...said he saw it in the Dallas game, it was the same play...said he wished he was out there cause he could have alerted his teammates to what was coming...said he wasn't saying he would have made the play but that he could have at least told them what was coming.

 

Yea I watched. 

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Not only do I think a fully healthy Tre White makes a difference on that final Chiefs drive in the 13 second game.... I think he makes a difference on the previous drive, the long Hill catch and run where the corner took the wrong angle on him (forget if it was Wallace or Jackson now). One of the things peak Tre White was awesome at was angles of approach. He was just so fundamentally sound. 

If we had tre in 21 we win by ten vs KC and win the super bowl. 

 

It's been some terrible luck from 20-23

 

In the 20 AFC championship all our wrs were seriously hurt. 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Kelly to Allen

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Not only do I think a fully healthy Tre White makes a difference on that final Chiefs drive in the 13 second game.... I think he makes a difference on the previous drive, the long Hill catch and run where the corner took the wrong angle on him (forget if it was Wallace or Jackson now). One of the things peak Tre White was awesome at was angles of approach. He was just so fundamentally sound. 

It was Dane Jackson. The back of his jersey chasing down Hill is an image burned into my brain. 

[Solomon Grundy]

@GunnerBill, if Tre was able to transition to safety would you consider bringing him back?

[Beck Water]

One of the most interesting parts about 10 minutes in.  I think there's a feeling the Bills have a state-of-the-art, science driven training program.

Tre' is talking about Von Miller coming in from the Rams and saying that the Bills are "the complete opposite of this" (as far as training load, is my understanding).  He also talks about how the coaches and staff stress positivity and even on the sideline when they were getting spanked by 'Zona they're still positive and composed.  Talks about how McVay is coaching the guys but loving them, always in a positive light.  And how they manage the load in training and practice to keep guys healthy in December (year to year though, at a glance I don't see the Rams as particularly healthier or less healthy than any other team)

He says some good things to say about the Bills and how they're solid and bring in guys and everybody bought in, "but on the sideline, if we getting spanked, you gonna hear about it".  As opposed to the Rams "they coach you hard but love you at the same time".  Tre clearly felt there were elements of the Rams coaching that were superior, as far as getting the best out of players in a high stakes situation.

Anyway that struck me.

 

 

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Not only do I think a fully healthy Tre White makes a difference on that final Chiefs drive in the 13 second game.... I think he makes a difference on the previous drive, the long Hill catch and run where the corner took the wrong angle on him (forget if it was Wallace or Jackson now). One of the things peak Tre White was awesome at was angles of approach. He was just so fundamentally sound. 

 

There's no question.  There is an element of luck to key injuries.  Tre and Von Miller were both key defensive injuries.

Some minor tid-bits: "the only one who could move in the snow was Shady McCoy" (true - wish they could bring him in as a consultant)

Edited 2 hours ago by Beck Water

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

@GunnerBill, if Tre was able to transition to safety would you consider bringing him back?

 

Not sure I would now. I was in favour of considering that rather than cutting him a year ago. But I think I was wrong and Brandon was right. There isn't much left sadly. 

[JohnNord]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Not only do I think a fully healthy Tre White makes a difference on that final Chiefs drive in the 13 second game.... I think he makes a difference on the previous drive, the long Hill catch and run where the corner took the wrong angle on him (forget if it was Wallace or Jackson now). One of the things peak Tre White was awesome at was angles of approach. He was just so fundamentally sound. 

I would agree.  Tre was playing at a very high level before the Thanksgiving injury in New Orleans.  

[strive_for_five_guy]

15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

One of the most interesting parts about 10 minutes in.  I think there's a feeling the Bills have a state-of-the-art, science driven training program.

Tre' is talking about Von Miller coming in from the Rams and saying that the Bills are "the complete opposite of this" (as far as training load, is my understanding).  He also talks about how the coaches and staff stress positivity and even on the sideline when they were getting spanked by 'Zona they're still positive and composed.  Talks about how McVay is coaching the guys but loving them, always in a positive light.  And how they manage the load in training and practice to keep guys healthy in December (year to year though, at a glance I don't see the Rams as particularly healthier or less healthy than any other team)

He says some good things to say about the Bills and how they're solid and bring in guys and everybody bought in, "but on the sideline, if we getting spanked, you gonna hear about it".  As opposed to the Rams "they coach you hard but love you at the same time".  Tre clearly felt there were elements of the Rams coaching that were superior, as far as getting the best out of players in a high stakes situation.

Anyway that struck me.

 

If Tre were still on the team, I’d be curious what he would say about the vibes now versus before.  I really think with Josh now as one of the unquestioned leaders (no Diggs interference), there is a much more positive vibe altogether.  Being positive and resilient is just Josh’s natural style, which does differ from probably McD’s own tendencies in moments of adversity, but it all seems to be really working at the moment.  Resiliency is one of the key factors for how the 90s Bills were able to make four Super Bowls in row, and probably why a lot of us Bills fans are so passionate about this franchise and that hope to one day bring home a Lombardi.  Even McD is doing snow angels these days and effusively praising Josh’s play, so maybe even he realizes how much Josh’s leadership style is working.

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Love this dude...This is awesome and gives some good insights into some past history of events...

 

Vontae Davis told him on the sideline "Yeah, young boo...I think I'm done...I ain't got it no more...this is a young man's game...I'm done" 😂😂

 

Said Davis was done with like 3 minutes left in the 2nd quarter and told him and Frazier he wasn't going back in, not at halftime.

 

Said him and Shady called him on Facetime the next day and went over to his house and he answered the door with a huge glass of wine and Shady was like "Oh you gonna take like a week off and be back right?" nad Davis is like "Nah, man..I'm done, ain't nothing they can do...it's a young man's game...you Shady McCoy, you "Cut on a Dime", but you gonna know what I'm saying one day...you gonna make that cut and them young boys ain't goin' for it no more and you'll know it's that time."  

 

Tre said they were dying laughing...

 

 

Such a good guy… but I don’t buy that LA passed off better offers to be traded to Baltimore.  
 

He put some really bad play on tape and I think they took the only offer they were given which was the lowest possible compensation that could be offered . 

[JP51]

32 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

@GunnerBill, if Tre was able to transition to safety would you consider bringing him back?

I love the guy... but I am not sure with his body type and size he would be an effective safety

[JohnNord]

24 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

One of the most interesting parts about 10 minutes in.  I think there's a feeling the Bills have a state-of-the-art, science driven training program.

Tre' is talking about Von Miller coming in from the Rams and saying that the Bills are "the complete opposite of this" (as far as training load, is my understanding).  He also talks about how the coaches and staff stress positivity and even on the sideline when they were getting spanked by 'Zona they're still positive and composed.  Talks about how McVay is coaching the guys but loving them, always in a positive light.  And how they manage the load in training and practice to keep guys healthy in December (year to year though, at a glance I don't see the Rams as particularly healthier or less healthy than any other team)

He says some good things to say about the Bills and how they're solid and bring in guys and everybody bought in, "but on the sideline, if we getting spanked, you gonna hear about it".  As opposed to the Rams "they coach you hard but love you at the same time".  Tre clearly felt there were elements of the Rams coaching that were superior, as far as getting the best out of players in a high stakes situation.

Anyway that struck me.

 

 

 

There's no question.  There is an element of luck to key injuries.  Tre and Von Miller were both key defensive injuries.

Some minor tid-bits: "the only one who could move in the snow was Shady McCoy" (true - wish they could bring him in as a consultant)

It doesn’t surprise me.  It’s often been said McVay relates really well to players and his approach is unique to other coaches.  It sounds like McDermott is similar to Harbaugh where he “coaches hard but loves you at the same time.”  Even Humphrey said he’s “no Mr. positivity on the sideline.” 

[Brand J]

12 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Such a good guy… but I don’t buy that LA passed off better offers to be traded to Baltimore.  
 

He put some really bad play on tape and I think they took the only offer they were given which was the lowest possible compensation that could be offered . 

Yeah I think the Rams lied to him. They gave up White and a 7th to get back a 7th. They pretty much just gave him away for free. Highly doubt other teams (especially losing ones) would’ve been acquiring about Tre, just like I highly doubt the Rams would’ve refused better offers.

Edited 1 hour ago by Brand J

[Utah John]

37 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

@GunnerBill, if Tre was able to transition to safety would you consider bringing him back?

Nope.  Too small to play safety.  And now, too old and possibly too slow.

 

He was on track for the HOF but injuries.

[Yobogoya!]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Not only do I think a fully healthy Tre White makes a difference on that final Chiefs drive in the 13 second game.... I think he makes a difference on the previous drive, the long Hill catch and run where the corner took the wrong angle on him (forget if it was Wallace or Jackson now). One of the things peak Tre White was awesome at was angles of approach. He was just so fundamentally sound. 

The idea of an alternate timeline where Tre is a decades+ Bill who continues stacking up all pro accolades and picks up a few rings with us along the way is tough to think about. 
 

Tre was on a truly special path before those injuries… 

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Yeah I think the Rams lied to him. They gave up White and a 7th to get back a 7th. They pretty much just gave him away for free. Highly doubt other teams (especially losing ones) would’ve been acquiring about Tre, just like I highly doubt the Rams would refuse better offers.

I don’t think they outright lied to deceive him but maybe framed the situation differently than it was in reality, to keep a positive relationship with a vet player they respect.
 

Beane has done this in the past when releasing a player.  He’ll say they were giving them a choice to sign with the team they wanted, rather than deciding for the player via a trade.  
 

 

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Tre said he was at home watching and he knew the play they were running to Hill coming out of the timeout and he was screaming at the TV...said he saw it in the Dallas game, it was the same play...said he wished he was out there cause he could have alerted his teammates to what was coming...said he wasn't saying he would have made the play but that he could have at least told them what was coming.

I 100% believe this.  One of Tre’s underrated strengths is his smarts - especially his knowledge of the position in the McDermott defense

[US Egg]

So Vontae Davis went Kenny Rogers “Gambler”.
 

Can respect that, just should’ve folded when the game was over, not the hand. 

Edited 1 hour ago by US Egg

[eball]

I will always have a soft spot for Tre.  He was the first piece in changing the culture of the Bills and represented the team and city spectacularly well, while performing at an exceptional level.  He's also funny as hell -- I'll never forget him picking up the pages of the Ravens' play sheets when they blew onto the field.  Hilarious.