Who has been the 2nd best Bill this season?

[Gambit]

28 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I'm surprised that there isn't more love for our Twin Tackles Dawkins and Brown.  The Bills have only allowed 13 sacks for the season and none in the last 4 games.  They have allowed 1 or less in 10 of 14 games this season.

People love the flashier players. It's easily Dawkins imo.

[NickelCity]

Brawkins

Then Benford 

[HappyDays]

Spencer Brown for me. He's been a dominant force as a run blocker, arguably the best in the league. You saw the difference when Van Demark replaced him against KC. He's been very good as a pass blocker too if not dominant. What is there to criticize, a few too many false starts? 

 

Edited December 18 by HappyDays

[RiotAct]

Shakir.  Catches literally everything thrown his way.

[FireChans]

Brain says Shakir, Dawkins or Brown.

 

Heart says Cook.

 

I know RB’s aren’t important. But there’s something awe inducing when he hits a gap and you just know he’s 1 bad angle or missed tackle away from 6.

 

Big runs have always had a special place in my heart. Probably Stockholm syndrome from 20 years of miserable passing.

Edited December 18 by FireChans

[BADOLBILZ]

 

I chose Benford.   Rousseau next.   Premium positions and both rank in the top 15.   Spencer Brown is having a good year but is underrated because analytics don't take into account what having a bully like that does to help an offense.   He could be a surprise All Pro.   Brown is more likely than Rousseau or Benford where there are more generally accepted statistical measures.   Dawkins would be next, IMO.   Aside from Allen, Shakir has been their best offensive skill player, IMO.   He's been as expected, IMO.   There isn't a complete surprise breakout star like Bernard was last year when he had a splash play season for the ages.

[GASabresIUFan]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I chose Benford

I chose Benford as well.  PFF has him as the 12th best CB in the NFL out of 216 and I think he’s better than that.  
 

The other elite Bills are imho Cook, Shakir, Brown, Dawkins and Taron Johnson.  Groot and Oliver have elite games but aren’t consistent enough to be called elite overall. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1. Josh

2. Cook

3. Shakir

4.  OL

5. Benford

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I chose Benford as well.  PFF has him as the 12th best CB in the NFL out of 216 and I think he’s better than that.  
 

The other elite Bills are imho Cook, Shakir, Brown, Dawkins and Taron Johnson.  Groot and Oliver have elite games but aren’t consistent enough to be called elite overall. 

 

I will say this about Groot.......if the question is who has been the best Bills player the last 2 years who is not Josh Allen, the answer is Groot.   He's really, really good.  The standard for a DE for the franchise with the NFL's all-time sack leader is pretty high though.   

[MJS]

I think Benford could be the 2nd best player on the team. He has had an outstanding year, exceeding expectations. He is a good tackler as well, which is big.

[JoshAllin]

I'd say Shakir, the offense just looks off without him there (Bal & Hou games)

[GunnerBill]

First half of the season I'd have gone Benford for sure. He is still in the mix for me but so are Cook and Spencer Brown.

 

One of those three.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I chose Benford as well.  PFF has him as the 12th best CB in the NFL out of 216 and I think he’s better than that.  
 

The other elite Bills are imho Cook, Shakir, Brown, Dawkins and Taron Johnson.  Groot and Oliver have elite games but aren’t consistent enough to be called elite overall. 

 

As of right now PFF has him tied 8th. And 4 of the folks above him are pure slots. They have him graded as a top 5 outside corner. 

[Buffalo Boy]

This is a really tough question!!!

I think you could make a legit case for a bunch of them.

[machine gun kelly]

I went with Shakir primarily because when we had no other weapons, he kept Movin the chains.  He had more tough yards and yes, Cook has been equally important.  Coleman emerged 1/3 the way into the season once he was used to NFL speed.  Cooper sealed it, not because he’s made this overwhelming impact, but his presence on the field changed how defenses prepare for our offense.

 

The reality is this is a barstool conversation, and the sum of the parts is more significant than one player over another.  I just was so happy to finally see Cooper, Coleman, and Shakir along with our stable of backs, and now 2 TE’s healthy.

[NewEra]

Benford

Rousseau

Dawkins

Shakir

Cook

Brown

 

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I took this as a similar rhetorical lense as I do MVP: who would the bills fear losing most. I went with Bernard. I don’t think it’ll be a popular answer but here is my reasoning.

 

We have excellent tackle depth

 

RBs and replaceable and split time

 

WRs split time, and have disappearing acts 

 

DL is a rotation and also goes games with limited impact

 

McD has been great with plug and play members of the secondary, so I think they’d get by

 

Bernard is a team captain, who plays 100% of defensive snaps. He does everything and does so very well. I would not put him in the elite category, but he is a very good leader of the defense. For all the other reasons to dismiss other positions and from what I’ve seen from 43 this year, he’s my pick. 

Edited December 18 by EmotionallyUnstable

[NeverOutNick]

Not an easy question to answer but Shakir is so clutch that he’s my guy for #2. Benford and Taron Johnson are huge too with our safety play being so bad. I love that cook is finally showing some dog and breaking tackles too. He totally flipped my mind on him but the whole RB room has been great. I can’t give it to Groot because the whole line underperforms imo. Groot is a beast and Oliver showed up finally last week and Von is playing better but these dudes are not closers on a consistent basis. They need to function as a unit like our O line come playoff time for us to close out games. Our offense is phenomenal right now though. Even Knox isn’t pissing me off (did you see that catch last week). And Hollins although limited as a WR, is so needed with all the dirty things. Special teams coordinator needed to be fired last year and Bass needs to go. Hyde needs to be starting alongside Rapp while giving bishop some time too (kid can cover better than Hamlin, who can’t, but is still a work in progress). Hyde no matter what you think of his injury history and age, he’s big time come playoff time so that we’re not exposed like we have been. We also need Douglas back. Benford, Douglas and Taron have been living on islands all year and are all great but come playoff time we will be exposed if we keep Hamlin out there. Milano may still be recovering but mentally he’s still miles ahead in coverage than any other LBer not named Bernard so that tandem is needed as well. Just praying that we get the 1 seed, everyone is healthy, and that McD and his defense doesn’t blow it this year because Josh and the offense are on another level this year. Go Bills 

[chongli]

Seriously, who voted for Dawkins?? Sure, he has been playing well, but he has the second most penalties of all tackles this season, only slightly behind Laremy Tunsil. He cost us TD with false start penalty at 3rd goal at the 1 last week at Detroit. This partially negates his great play, enough to cost him this vote.

Edited December 18 by chongli

[Sweats]

It's either Cook or Shakir.........either one can break one at any time and they are both "Mr. Reliable", so put me in for either one of these guys.