Where would Jim Kelly in his prime rank amongst todays QBs?

[Sojourner]

3 minutes ago, amprov56 said:

Here is the deal, new age fans want an entertainment event 

I can only laugh at that, please tell  me the color of the sky on your planet!

You are definetly a young fan and dont know better!

I take Reed personally but Moulds and him are in the same ball park. 
 

You give #80 a QB the quality of 12 his career and the answer might be different. 
 

The “sky on your planet” makes it sound as though its a laughable comparison 😕

[amprov56]

5 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

young kids that’s all it is, Kelly and Reed weren’t on the Madden video games haha

 

 

Seriously, todays young fans are not "football" fans they want entertainment, a long bomb then dance to "Mr. Brightside." Ethan, Andre Reed is a HOFer for a reason, the rest including your beloved Stefan Diggs are not and never will be! Go to you tube and spend some time!

Just now, Sojourner said:

I take Reed personally but Moulds and him are in the same ball park. 
 

You give #80 a QB the quality of 12 his career and the answer might be different. 
 

The “sky on your planet” makes it sound as though its a laughable comparison 😕

I agree, Eric Moulds if he had Kelly would be a HOFer today, but he did not! Sorry, he was not Andre Reed!

[Another Fan]

I think its just too different a game today from the 80s and 90s to really answer this.

 

Case in point Jim was a very vocal leader on the field.  Nobody today comes close in that regard.  

[CaseyatBat]

I suppose Lawrence Taylor would be a backup today too.
 

Kelly was lucky to play against bums like that 

[Steve O]

51 minutes ago, Beast said:

Hard to say. QB’s today have a much easier time with the rules implemented. I’ll say 4-7 just to answer the question.

Which is about where he rated against his contemporaries in his prime...actually 3-6 but whatever.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

12 minutes ago, amprov56 said:

Here is the deal, new age fans want an entertainment event 

I can only laugh at that, please tell  me the color of the sky on your planet!

You are definetly a young fan and dont know better!

Please. I saw every Kelly and Reed game. You just aren't being realistic. 

 

Moulds was bigger, faster, and better in every way compared to Reed except in one category.  The QB throwing him the ball. 

 

Reed never had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Diggs had 6 in a row, 4 with the Bills. 

[amprov56]

11 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

I think its just too different a game today from the 80s and 90s to really answer this.

 

Case in point Jim was a very vocal leader on the field.  Nobody today comes close in that regard.  

I was in Saudi Arabi in 1990, Bills playing the Cardinals on a windy and rainy day. Jim Kelly gets blind sided, fumbles the ball, it get picked up and is being returned, Guess who makes the tackle? Thos watching the game were amazed! And yes, Jim Kelly was a leader, not taking nothing away from JA, he is too, just taking on those who dont know anything else!

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Please. I saw every Kelly and Reed game. You just aren't being realistic. 

 

Moulds was bigger, faster, and better in every way compared to Reed except in one category.  The QB throwing him the ball. 

 

Reed never had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Diggs had 6 in a row, 4 with the Bills. 

Is Moulds in the HOF, STOP!

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Please. I saw every Kelly and Reed game. You just aren't being realistic. 

 

Moulds was bigger, faster, and better in every way compared to Reed except in one category.  The QB throwing him the ball. 

 

Reed never had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Diggs had 6 in a row, 4 with the Bills. 

If you seen every game then you would not be making this silly argument! 

Edited yesterday at 12:11 AM by amprov56

[Ethan in Cleveland]

5 minutes ago, Steve O said:

Which is about where he rated against his contemporaries in his prime...actually 3-6 but whatever.

Yeah the contemporary thing is a good discussion too

Elway, Marino, Montana, Young, and possibly Aikman were all better. Favre was just getting his career started. 

[amprov56]

7 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Please. I saw every Kelly and Reed game. You just aren't being realistic. 

 

Moulds was bigger, faster, and better in every way compared to Reed except in one category.  The QB throwing him the ball. 

 

Reed never had back to back 1000 yard seasons. Diggs had 6 in a row, 4 with the Bills. 

Sorry Diggs will never be in the HOF, understand your emotional attachment, but Diggs is through. Three season wonder, no way/no way/no way is he on Andre Reeds planet, enjoy your dreams!

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 minutes ago, amprov56 said:

I was in Saudi Arabi in 1990, Bills playing the Cardinals on a windy and rainy day. Jim Kelly gets blind sided, fumbles the ball, it get picked up and is being returned, Guess who makes the tackle? Thos watching the ganme were amazed! And yes, Jim Kelly was a leader, not taking nothing away from JA, he is too, just taking on those who dont know anything else!

Is Moulds in the HOF, STOP!

If you seen every game then you would not be making this silly argument! 

You think Reed would be in the HOF with Todd Collins, Jp Losman, and Doug Flutie???

 

You are living in nostalgia world. There is nothing wrong with that. 

 

We all loved the 1990s team. But let's remember these great players once won a AFC Championship game 10-7, and were noncompetitive in 3 of four SuperBowls.

[Steve O]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Yeah the contemporary thing is a good discussion too

Elway, Marino, Montana, Young, and possibly Aikman were all better. Favre was just getting his career started. 

Yeah that pretty much made up my list off the top of my head. Maybe add Moon in one or two seasons, but we always managed to get past Houston in the playoffs so on second thought no.

[amprov56]

Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said:

You think Reed would be in the HOF with Todd Collins, Jp Losman, and Doug Flutie???

 

You are living in nostalgia world. There is nothing wrong with that. 

 

We all loved the 1990s team. But let's remember these great players once won a AFC Championship game 10-7, and were noncompetitive in 3 of four SuperBowls.

No I'm not, but lets get back to reality, Moulds is not in the HOF! I'm not the delusional here, SB's not in the equation, I have facts you move on with emotion, go find a Doctor Phil!

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

You think Reed would be in the HOF with Todd Collins, Jp Losman, and Doug Flutie???

 

You are living in nostalgia world. There is nothing wrong with that. 

 

We all loved the 1990s team. But let's remember these great players once won a AFC Championship game 10-7, and were noncompetitive in 3 of four SuperBowls.

Still not sure I even understand this post!

[BillsPride12]

20 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

I suppose Lawrence Taylor would be a backup today too.
 

Kelly was lucky to play against bums like that 

It's amazing how some of these kids today try to minimize the careers of absolute legends.

 

There was a Jaromir Jagr quote a few years back on the same topic but in the NHL and to paraphrase him he said something along the lines of how it was ridiculous to think the old stars would be bums nowadays.  He said how he was still keeping up at age 50 playing professional hockey and how Mario and Wayne were better than he was and they would have had no problem still dominating in today's NHL.

 

Yes training and nutrition are much different today but if you are going to make these silly era comparisons you have to factor in the old school guys would have the same elite training and nutrition programs the current players do.

[djp14150]

1 hour ago, ghostwriter said:

I think I would have him in the top 3.

 

1.) Josh Allen

2.) Patrick Mahomes

3.) Jim Kelly

 

Where would you guys have Jimbo at?

Style of game is different.  The game has gotten more passing.

[AkwiredTste]

33 minutes ago, amprov56 said:

Here is the deal, new age fans want an entertainment event 

I can only laugh at that, please tell  me the color of the sky on your planet!

You are definetly a young fan and dont know better!

Fun to wax poetic..reality is bigger, stronger, faster. I too was there back in the day, but we didn't walk to school uphill both ways in 12 feet of snow.

Kelly doesn't belong in the same conversation as Allen

I never once back then thought Kelly was the best in his time let alone now

[thenorthremembers]

His peak was 1991 where he threw for 3844 yards, 33 touchdowns and 17 ints in 15 games.   Thats 256 yards a game, 2.2 touchdown passes and 1.1 interceptions or a +1.1.    For comparison over the last three years on average Josh is 254 yards a game 1.89 touchdown passes and .78 interceptions.  Mahomes is 271, 1.9 and .78.   

 

Peak Kelly is very comparable to current day Joe Burrow.   Easily a top 5-6 quarterback in the league.    Kelly did his legacy a great disservice by not starting in the NFL until 1986.  Not to mention he was a 23-year-old rookie in the USFL.   If he played for the Bills for his entire career, he would likely be in the top 15 in both yards and touchdown passes all time.   Allen is likely the best quarterback to ever play here but Kelly is an absolute all time great.   

 

 

[djp14150]

Back then it was rare to see an OL above 300 pounds

 

the fridge would be a mini cooler today

[amprov56]

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Most of you kids are to young to watch Jim Kelly play...

And it shows 

Seriously, I'm dumbstruck at this, but its the way of those who don't know!

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, AkwiredTste said:

Fun to wax poetic..reality is bigger, stronger, faster. I too was there back in the day, but we didn't walk to school uphill both ways in 12 feet of snow.

Kelly doesn't belong in the same conversation as Allen

I never once back then thought Kelly was the best in his time let alone now

Lets not act like Jim Kelly was a puny 1930's quarterback smoking cigarettes at halftime.   He was a 6'2 230 pound guy who could have played linebacker in the league.  Players dont get to choose what era they play in.   That argument should not diminish their greatness. 

 

 

[amprov56]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

His peak was 1991 where he threw for 3844 yards, 33 touchdowns and 17 ints in 15 games.   Thats 256 yards a game, 2.2 touchdown passes and 1.1 interceptions or a +1.1.    For comparison over the last three years on average Josh is 254 yards a game 1.89 touchdown passes and .78 interceptions.  Mahomes is 271, 1.9 and .78.   

 

Peak Kelly is very comparable to current day Joe Burrow.   Easily a top 5-6 quarterback in the league.    Kelly did his legacy a great disservice by not starting in the NFL until 1986.  Not to mention he was a 23-year-old rookie in the USFL.   If he played for the Bills for his entire career, he would likely be in the top 15 in both yards and touchdown passes all time.   Allen is likely the best quarterback to ever play here but Kelly is an absolute all time great.   

 

 

Agree with all, good post!

7 minutes ago, djp14150 said:

Style of game is different.  The game has gotten more passing.

Kind of like the "no huddle" offense, I would think the youngins would love that!