Where would Jim Kelly in his prime rank amongst todays QBs?

[ghostwriter]

I think I would have him in the top 3.

 

1.) Josh Allen

2.) Patrick Mahomes

3.) Jim Kelly

 

Where would you guys have Jimbo at?

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

Behind Allen, Mahomes, and probably Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. So maybe 5th.

 

If you look at those 4 names the biggest difference is mobility. The league has changed and Jimbo didn't have the wheels or pocket quickness of those guys because it wasn't valued back then.  But he'd still have the head, arm, and leadership qualities to be a top guy. 

[T.E.]

6 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

Behind Allen, Mahomes, and probably Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. So maybe 5th.

 

If you look at those 4 names the biggest difference is mobility. The league has changed and Jimbo didn't have the wheels or pocket quickness of those guys because it wasn't valued back then.  But he'd still have the head, arm, and leadership qualities to be a top guy. 

The other side of that is he would have the benefit of not getting the daylights knocked out of him every game due to rules about hitting the QB, and his wideouts would be able to run much more freely than they did in the 90s.

Edited Tuesday at 11:09 PM by T.E.

[Beast]

Hard to say. QB’s today have a much easier time with the rules implemented. I’ll say 4-7 just to answer the question.

[Realist]

I put him in 4-7. As someone else mentioned he lacks mobility of todays top QB's. But he could definitely rifle that ball and loved the long ball. Gunslinger at its best. He would probably take a lot of sacks with how quick todays edge rushers are.

[CaseyatBat]

Don’t really have anyone like him today, sadly as you young bucks don’t get to see pure QBing… I voted top 3 to the question 

 

last QB to play like him would be Peyton Manning in terms of field general style play. Rodgers with GB had some of that too.
 

I think Kelly had a better arm than Rodgers, but overall not as good as Manning, he falls in between them. 
 

Allen is a bigger Elway, if you want a comp to that era

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:19 PM by CaseyatBat

[mushypeaches]

You are delusional if you think Jim Kelly would be a good QB today.  His arm strength would be below average. His athleticism would be even worse.

 

Yes, he was tough and smart.  But I’ve re-watched at least 50 of his old games and he’d be getting killed against todays athletes and defensive schemes

[CaseyatBat]

1 minute ago, mushypeaches said:

You are delusional if you think Jim Kelly would be a good QB today.  His arm strength would be below average. His athleticism would be even worse.

 

Yes, he was tough and smart.  But I’ve re-watched at least 50 of his old games and he’d be getting killed against todays athletes and defensive schemes

ok, let me know when you are done with your social studies homework tonight son, I’ll assign some football reading 

[Chaos]

4 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

Don’t really have anyone like him today, sadly as you young bucks don’t get to see pure QBing… I voted top 3 to the question 

 

last QB to play like him would be Peyton Manning in terms of field general style play. Rodgers with GB had some of that too.
 

I think Kelly had a better arm than Rodgers, but overall not as good as Manning, he falls in between them. 
 

Allen is a bigger Elway, if you want a comp to that era

 

 

Allen is bigger, faster , stronger and smarter. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1. Allen

2. Mahomes 

3. Burrow

4. Herbert

5. Jackson

6. Stafford

7. Wilson

8. Kelly

 

I loathe interceptions. I have Kelly 8th. Kelly threw 175 INTs in 11 seasons compared to 237 TDs. Russell Wilson has 109 INT in 13 seasons. Stafford has 187 INT but in 16 seasons and a near 2:1 TD/INT ratio and far far more yards

 

Rodgers in his prime but not now

Tua is more accurate but Kelly was better QB

Dak is more prolific but Kelly was still better

Jayden Daniels is amazing but not quite there yet...

Purdy is a system guy. 

Never liked Kirk Cousins

 

Baker is an interesting comparison. Both gunslingers. Both threw a lot of INTs. Kelly had more success with better teams. Kelly is still better but when Baker is on he is very good. 

[CaseyatBat]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Allen is bigger, faster , stronger and smarter. 

Allen is pure greatness but he’s not a smart QB.
 

There is nothing smart about chucking up for grabs at the sideline X3 times a game. (Thank God  it works!)

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:26 PM by CaseyatBat

[MJS]

23 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said:

Behind Allen, Mahomes, and probably Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. So maybe 5th.

 

If you look at those 4 names the biggest difference is mobility. The league has changed and Jimbo didn't have the wheels or pocket quickness of those guys because it wasn't valued back then.  But he'd still have the head, arm, and leadership qualities to be a top guy. 

He also would have come up in today's athletic environment with better training, better sports science, and FAR easier rules for the offense and QBs, without getting his teeth knocked in every time he dropped back to pass.

[ghostwriter]

9 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

Don’t really have anyone like him today, sadly as you young bucks don’t get to see pure QBing… I voted top 3 to the question 

 

last QB to play like him would be Peyton Manning in terms of field general style play. Rodgers with GB had some of that too.
 

I think Kelly had a better arm than Rodgers, but overall not as good as Manning, he falls in between them. 
 

Allen is a bigger Elway, if you want a comp to that era

 

 

I love the Manning comparison. I see a bit of Baker Mayfield in him too.

[CaseyatBat]

2 minutes ago, ghostwriter said:

I love the Manning comparison. I see a bit of Baker Mayfield in him too.

that’s good yeah Mayfield does play like that 

[mushypeaches]

5 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

ok, let me know when you are done with your social studies homework tonight son, I’ll assign some football reading 

OK champ, I’m old enough to have watched all of Jim Kelly’s career in those years.   I’ll say it again - he was great then and wouldn’t be more than a backup now.  That’s how much the game has grown and progressed.  
 

Want to keep trashing me?  Go back and watch some of his performances from 94-96, when he could barely move and had lost his fastball

 

 

 

 

 

[chongli]

10 minutes ago, CaseyatBat said:

ok, let me know when you are done with your social studies homework tonight son, I’ll assign some football reading 

 

 

I really wish you would have refuted his points rather than just insulting him.

[FireChans]

34 minutes ago, ghostwriter said:

I think I would have him in the top 3.

 

1.) Josh Allen

2.) Patrick Mahomes

3.) Jim Kelly

 

Where would you guys have Jimbo at?

Against today’s QB’s today or todays QB’s in their primes?

 

For the first, i have these guys ahead of Kelly in no particular order:

 

Allen

Mahomes

Burrow

Lamar

Love

Stafford

Herbert

 

He would slot in right around 8-10 with Baker/Goff/Hurts.

[CaseyatBat]

1 minute ago, mushypeaches said:

OK champ, I’m old enough to have watched all of Jim Kelly’s career in those years.   I’ll say it again - he was great then and wouldn’t be more than a backup now.  That’s how much the game has grown and progressed.  
 

Want to keep trashing me?  Go back and watch some of his performances from 94-96, when he could barely move and had lost his fastball

 

 

 

 

 

the game is easier for QBs today. If you watched back in the day you would know that 

[ghostwriter]

Just now, CaseyatBat said:

that’s good yeah Mayfield does play like that 

More so the moxie of Baker Mayfield and not the talent level. Kelly is a few levels ahead as far as talent goes but they both have/had that grit and swag.

[CaseyatBat]

2 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

I really wish you would have refuted his points rather than just insulting him.

he said HOFer Jim Kelly is a backup today. You really think that deserves a rebuttal? 
 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:37 PM by CaseyatBat