Coach of the year?

[Harold Jackson]

No defense, is why he's no coach of the year.

[gonzo1105]

Probably Tomlin if they win the division or OConnell with the Vikings

Edited Tuesday at 10:18 PM by gonzo1105

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

how is it "irrelevant"?  the guy has a talented roster.   coming up short of the AFCC game every year (but once), while winning at least 10 games a year the past 6 years---at some point people who decide theses this award are obviously going to think it's the HC. 

 

Campbell is the opposite of McD--he's a balls out game day guy who has turned a throwaway 1st round QB into an MVP candidate and a 3-13 generational laughing stock of a franchise into back to back 12 +win seasons (and NFCC game last season). 

 

 

Vegas odds are a way that industry seeks to separate you from your money.  Reid. out of the top 5 in odds, has no chance.....but people will bet on him despite the relatively poor odds.  He can't win because he is expected to win it all every year.  Tomlin is doing a lot more with less.  Sirianni cannot win this year either--why would he---because his team hasn't fallen apart...yet?

playoff success is irrelevant because it’s a regular season award based on which team outperformed expectations the most.  If it was in any way based on prior playoff success Reid and sirianni would be leading with the regular seasons they’re having this year.
 

Im not saying mcd should win it by any means, but the nfl analysts all writing the bills off in the offseason should get him in the conversation at least seeing as they’re the people voting on the winner.  I think they have taken a more ‘our bad the bills are actually really talented and we just screwed up while buying into the jets hype’ approach though it seems which is a bit of a cop out imo especially when they say we don’t have a lot of stars in the same breath lol.  He is in it still, I just figured they’d rank him a little higher.  I think he’s 6th right now in most of the sportsbooks. 

 

You can think Campbell is great I have absolutely no issue with that and he very well could be the best coach in the nfl.  but once you’re perceived to have a great roster the path to coach of the year gets very very difficult independent of how good of a job you’re actually doing.  You’re probably gonna lose it to someone with a worse record that turned around a bad team

 

Lamar had a 1-3 playoff record 3td/5 int when he won his second mvp.  It just really doesn’t seem to matter. 
 

a lot of this mcd can’t do anything right the bills should move on is very localized to half of bills fans.  Maybe the group thinking that is 100% correct but in the short term we will be heavily mocked by the nfl world outside Buffalo if we fire mcd this offseason.  The coach of the year voters are not seeing what you suggested 
 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:35 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[OldTimer1960]

I don’t think McDermott will lose a second of sleep worrying about whether he wins the award, but he has proven capable of having a consistently good team.  This team has so far surpassed most expectations coming into the season and they have proven themselves able to overcome a number of significant injuries.  The culture is real and it’s a winning culture.  He isn’t perfect, but no coach is.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

It's a regular season award

 

Doesn't matter---it's not like the voters aren't influenced by what happens with a HC/team season after season.

 

10+ wins a year with Josh Allen rules out COTY if that's all there is....

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

playoff success is irrelevant because it’s a regular season award based on which team outperformed expectations the most.  If it was in any way based on prior playoff success Reid and sirianni would be leading with the regular seasons they’re having this year.
 

Im not saying mcd should win it by any means, but the nfl analysts all writing the bills off in the offseason should get him in the conversation at least seeing as they’re the people voting on the winner.  I think they have taken a more ‘our bad the bills are actually really talented and we just screwed up while buying into the jets hype’ approach though it seems which is a bit of a cop out imo especially when they say we don’t have a lot of stars in the same breath lol.  He is in it still, I just figured they’d rank him a little higher.  I think he’s 6th right now in most of the sportsbooks. 

 

You can think Campbell is great I have absolutely no issue with that and he very well could be the best coach in the nfl.  but once you’re perceived to have a great roster the path to coach of the year gets very very difficult independent of how good of a job you’re actually doing.  You’re probably gonna lose it to someone with a worse record that turned around a bad team

 

Lamar had a 1-3 playoff record 3td/5 int when he won his second mvp.  It just really doesn’t seem to matter. 
 

a lot of this mcd can’t do anything right the bills should move on is very localized to half of bills fans.  Maybe the group thinking that is 100% correct but in the short term we will be heavily mocked by the nfl world outside Buffalo if we fire mcd this offseason.  The coach of the year voters are not seeing what you suggested 
 

 

 

see above.

 

obviously voters don't think it's that tough to get 12 wins or so a season with Josh Allen.  It's why Reid and Sirianni won't win---both have recently been in the SB.  Sirianni coached his team off a cliff last year--he's not going to be rewarded as "COTY" for not screwing up a SB caliber roster this season.

Edited Tuesday at 11:25 PM by Mr. WEO

[Chaos]

The head coach of the team that wins the Super Bowl should be named coach of the year. Every year.  The only coach out of 32 who couldn’t have had a better final outcome. 

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, Andrew Son said:

We oscillate between COTY and "fire the bum" depending on the week

Who’s this “We”?

 

His defense is ARSE!!! It was last year and will be again next year.

 
A defensive HC with a terrible D should NOT win COTY

[Andrew Son]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Who’s this “We”?

 

His defense is ARSE!!! It was last year and will be again next year.

 
A defensive HC with a terrible D should NOT win COTY

Everyone was always complaining about the over investment in the defense…. “You have Josh Allen, just build an unstoppable offense!”  Now that’s what we have and we can complain about the defense!

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

It's because when you ride the coat tails of Josh Allen, no one will speak of you

[amprov56]

25 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

Everyone was always complaining about the over investment in the defense…. “You have Josh Allen, just build an unstoppable offense!”  Now that’s what we have and we can complain about the defense!

Welcome to TBD!

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

8 hours ago, kirkwoodus13 said:

Why is our coach never mentioned in the discussion for coach of the year. This team/ organization was terrible before he got here. All he does is win his first year and get us into the playoffs.  We are basically a lock to win the division every year. This year might be his best job yet. We loose so many veteran players and the beat goes on. Whatever the team needs Coach has stepped up. Last as the D coordinator. This year grooming a young coach. Last year firing Dorsey. He always has the respect and pulse of the team. Why are we as fan not clamoring for him to win Coach of the year. Damn it why is the Bills PR team not doing something. We have to promote this man and give him his flowers now!!!

 

The part in bold is the problem.  He's expected to win and hasn't done anything spectacular from year prior.  They've got a little better each year, but only a small improvement over expectations.

 

When you consider how many people we questioning if Bills would even make playoffs, agreed he should be considered much more.

[Talley56]

While I think Dan Quinn should get some consideration, ultimately, it has to be O'Connell.

[Estro]

On 12/17/2024 at 4:45 PM, Buffalo716 said:

 

You can't win coach of the year coming off back to back super bowls lol

 

It's not like Carson Wentz has been playing 12 weeks

 

You're probabaly right, I don't disagree. COTY generally goes to a newer coach that has way over exceeded the win total expectation, which is why Kevin O'Connell is the current favorite.

 

That said Andy Reid is now the 4th betting fav. at +750. Selfishly, I have a nice lil bet on him at 66/1, so one can wish!

[boyst]

On 12/17/2024 at 5:18 PM, gonzo1105 said:

Probably Tomlin if they win the division or OConnell with the Vikings

If O'Connolllll beats the lions week 18 it's him. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

On 12/17/2024 at 2:47 PM, TFBillsfan said:

The Vikings head coach is probably a lock for COY. 

/thread

[Billsfanatic8989]

O'Connell has made Darnold look like a pro bowler. That alone should get him the award. Not to mention their record and how they look. 

 

Also, let's ay O'Connell and McDermott switched places. Is Allen worse off? Is Darnold still doing what he's doing?

 

 

 

 

On 12/17/2024 at 10:49 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The part in bold is the problem.  He's expected to win and hasn't done anything spectacular from year prior.  They've got a little better each year, but only a small improvement over expectations.

 

When you consider how many people we questioning if Bills would even make playoffs, agreed he should be considered much more.

Agree. 

 

The COTY in all sports goes to the team that overperforms. The team without expectations. I noticed in hockey the winner often gets fired within a few years. I think that's because they surprise year one. Management thinks the team is on a title path or something. Predictably..said team falls back to earth. And everyone is disappointed.

 

Otherwise...Bill Belichick won the award twice. Do we believe Belichick was only the best head coach in two years? Obviously not. He was the best coach most years. 

[Big Blitz]

Unfortunately it’s KOC but it should be McD

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

O'Connell has made Darnold look like a pro bowler. That alone should get him the award. Not to mention their record and how they look. 

 

Also, let's ay O'Connell and McDermott switched places. Is Allen worse off? Is Darnold still doing what he's doing?

 

 

 

 

Agree. 

 

The COTY in all sports goes to the team that overperforms. The team without expectations. I noticed in hockey the winner often gets fired within a few years. I think that's because they surprise year one. Management thinks the team is on a title path or something. Predictably..said team falls back to earth. And everyone is disappointed.

 

Otherwise...Bill Belichick won the award twice. Do we believe Belichick was only the best head coach in two years? Obviously not. He was the best coach most years. 

 

 

Not that they even won all that much, but just the expectations were enough two years later for Granato to get fired.

[BigAl2526]

The same question has been asked before.  It's not going to happen.  Voters greatly overweight turnaround situations.  I expect the winner will be from a team that struggled in 2023 and has had a much better 2024 season.  Buffalo does not have that much room for improvement.  Consistency in team record is weighted less than one year improvement.  At least that's the way it looks.

[thenorthremembers]

It should be Kevin O'Connell.