Best Player in Bills History

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, Mango said:

The disrespect for Brian Moorman is unforgivable. 
 

 

Without Moorman who would we have put on the Media Guide for that long dark period

[Chandler#81]

Can I vote for Bobby Chandler? -said sheepishly..

[eball]

30 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

Get to a SB and then we can talk.

 

I just don't understand this mentality.  Josh hasn't kept the Bills from getting to the Super Bowl, and he has arguably only played one "bad" playoff game in his career.

 

In 20 career playoff games Bruce recorded 14.5 sacks, but there were several playoff games in which Bruce disappeared.

 

Bruce had the benefit of playing on a roster with five other HOFers...that's why they got to Super Bowls.

 

If you don't want to give it to him now, fine, but it's only a matter of time before it's not even questioned.  Josh is the best Buffalo Bill of all-time.

 

[US Egg]

Which player you picking 1st on your football team? 
 

That’s a no brainer.

Edited Monday at 06:31 PM by US Egg

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Most of you guys were not born when Bruce Smith played and it shows

I'm 65...I remember every snap Bruce made...Josh beats him easily. 

[notpolian]

Josh might be eventually, but if you saw the 90's Bills you know we are getting a bit ahead of ourselves here.  This season I think Allen deserves the MVP.

 

I'm not even saying it was Bruce.  But the man was like a great white shark on the field.  The opposing offense had to know where he was on every play.  One of the best difference makers of all time.

[Jauronimo]

27 minutes ago, US Egg said:

Was drunk during most of his career. Can I get a pardon?

So was Bruce.

[Sweats]

19 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

 

Without Moorman who would we have put on the Media Guide for that long dark period

 

 

 

 

Moorman was the face of our franchise a number of years back.........those were dark times, my friend.........dark times.

[Returntoglory]

12 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I just don't understand this mentality.  Josh hasn't kept the Bills from getting to the Super Bowl, and he has arguably only played one "bad" playoff game in his career.

 

In 20 career playoff games Bruce recorded 14.5 sacks, but there were several playoff games in which Bruce disappeared.

 

Bruce had the benefit of playing on a roster with five other HOFers...that's why they got to Super Bowls.

 

If you don't want to give it to him now, fine, but it's only a matter of time before it's not even questioned.  Josh is the best Buffalo Bill of all-time.

 

I never said he has "kept us from a SuperBowl ".

 

I'm saying, show me more. Get to a SB and we can then anoint him.

 

I suppose you also feel then that he has stamped his ticket to the HOF ? 🤔

[BigDingus]

Still going Bruce for now. That sack record will be untouched for a long time.

 

But Josh is clearly the best QB we've ever had, so it's just a matter of time + achievements before he's at the top.

[thenorthremembers]

Josh is having the best season of any Bills player ever.   He is well on his way to being the best Bill of all time.  Right now its still Bruce.   That said, an MVP and a Championship should pretty much seal it for Josh.

Edited Monday at 06:33 PM by thenorthremembers

[LabattBlue]

At this point my vote goes to Bruce, but if Allen stays healthy and continues to produce at Superman levels, he will pass Bruce by. 

[eball]

15 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

I suppose you also feel then that he has stamped his ticket to the HOF ? 🤔

 

He already owns multiple NFL records/firsts and seems to be creating new categories almost weekly.

 

If Josh's career continues on its current trajectory he's a no-doubt first ballot HOFer.  I don't need to see more to know that.

 

[US Egg]

32 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

So was Bruce.

Probably why he had to hang around a few seasons to break the sack record.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Torn between Kelly and Allen.  Allen needs supebowls man!

Kelly was the steward of a great offense. He had pro bowlers and HOFers everywhere. He was the QB of that team but he’s not Allen. If you put Allen on those teams they win multiple. He’s WAY more dominant. 

[HOUSE]

47 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm 65...I remember every snap Bruce made...Josh beats him easily. 

That means you were 35 when Bruce was playing,  still far to young 

[Marlton Bills]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Insane that Josh has ever made it a conversation. In terms of position value, it might have to be Josh. But what Bruce did as a 3-4 DE with what I remember as not a great DC in a league that had way less pass attempts is absolutely insane. 
 

Crazy part is if you could magically have prime Allen and Smith together, we would have won multiple SBs. 

This is interesting because if you brought Bruce into today’s game I would be interested to see how he could handle the mobile quarterbacks of today. He got to tee off on a lot of statues.  

[dhgold]

24 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Josh is having the best season of any Bills player ever.

Arguable at best.

 

OJ averaged 143 yards rushing per game in 1973. Present day MVP voters looked ready to vote for Barkley (who has a lot of high end talent around him) over Allen (who doesn't) when Barkley was averaging 122 yards a game. At that point Barkley had a slight lead over Henry for the rushing lead. The #2 rusher in 1973 averaged under 82 yards a game, not much more than HALF of what OJ did.

 

I listen to a lot of national sports talk and during the discussions for MVP (which I think JA should win in a runaway), the argument against Allen is that his stats aren't overwhelmingly impressive.

 

Josh Allen is having a fantastic year but OJ's 73 is numerically unrivaled.

[Billever76]

3 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Most of you guys were not born when Bruce Smith played and it shows

I've watched all the games from 86 on ...with that said ALLEN is the best Bills player I've ever seen

[HOUSE]

Just now, Billever76 said:

I've watched all the games from 86 on ...with that said ALLEN is the best Bills player I've ever seen

Can Josh sack a Quarterback with one hand than smash his head to the turf?

No.....