Best Player in Bills History

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

No, it's called I have eyes and self awareness. Josh wouldn't last a  second in 1985/95. Todays players B word about tiny bruises and hang nails.

Lol at saying a pro QB that went to 4 SBs didn't have better/comparable talent. QBs run past the line of scrimmage more often now because they know  the league made more rules to make it easier lol.

It doesn't have crap to do with not accepting the future. All jocks today are weak pussies compared to their forefathers. In ALL sports. Waaaaa don't go over 100 pitches... Scamper up to 3 point line, shoot. Run back the other way. QBs will be wearing flags in no time.  

 

As I said earlier, rewriting record books isn't hard now. It's a weak comparison with new pansy rules.

When Allen gets one SB. Then he can be part of the conversation.

( I love sports arguments lol. Their circular, pointless and have no real answer) 

This is just crazy talk.  Josh has taken hits that would KO most QBs and Josh runs the ball like Kelly could only dream of and welcomes the hits.

 

Like I said, Nostalgia is a seductive liar and is a well known quote.

 

 

Edited December 17 by Billz4ever

[JMM]

As of NOW, it's Bruce. Down the line, assuming he continues this path, it will be Josh.

[DCofNC]

Bruce was great, OJ is a legend and neither are above JA.

[SinceThe70s]

43 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No he shouldn’t. He was very intentionally left off the list. He was great. The idea of Jim Kelly is much better than the player. He was a great player in his era. He was, in his era, what Goff or Hurts is now. He was a pro bowl guy but never once considered the “best in the business.” He won a lot. He belongs in the HOF. He’s a top 25ish all-time QB. As a player, he is not in the conversation with those 3. Honestly, there are multiple guys that are between 3 and Kelly. 

 

Comparing Kelly to Goff and Hurts makes no sense to me.  Do you have Goff and Hurts in the Hall of Fame? Not saying Kelly is a top 3 Bill but imo if you're gonna do a best player in history you absolutely have to consider the era they played in.

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

No, it's called I have eyes and self awareness. Josh wouldn't last a  second in 1985/95.

 

What a gigantic load of horseshlt.

Did you see the shot he took on the chin just last night from a guys crown who had a full speed running start at him from 15-20 yrds?

Rod Woodson used to end QB's with shots that were not nearly as lethal as that one, yet Allen ripped off a 60+ yrd throw in the face of it and then got up and went back to the huddle like it was a freaking mosquito bite.

There is no era in the history of football which this boy couldn't have handled.

[Mikie2times]

14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

In my lifetime, Barry Sanders is hands down the best RB I've ever seen.  He did things ive never seen any RB do before on film or otherwise.  

 

He was a unique talent who happened to be on a team that didn't have much else other than him for most of his career.

Agree and my main argument for him is he has no comp player in the history of the game. One of one. 

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

What a gigantic load of horseshlt.

Did you see the shot he took on the chin just last night from a guys crown who had a full speed running start at him from 15-20 yrds?

Rod Woodson used to end QB's with shots that were not nearly as lethal as that one, yet Allen ripped off a 60+ yrd throw in the face of it and then got up and went back to the huddle like it was a freaking mosquito bite.

There is no era in the history of football which this boy couldn't have handled.

 

Josh is a combination of throwback and modern era.  Just a unique talent.

 

That's precisely what makes him the unicorn and alien he is.

[Harold Jackson]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

What a gigantic load of horseshlt.

Did you see the shot he took on the chin just last night from a guys crown who had a full speed running start at him from 15-20 yrds?

Rod Woodson used to end QB's with shots that were not nearly as lethal as that one, yet Allen ripped off a 60+ yrd throw in the face of it and then got up and went back to the huddle like it was a freaking mosquito bite.

There is no era in the history of football which this boy couldn't have handled.

Obviously it wasn't much of a shot. Big chin pad and things always look worse than they actually were. And obviously he kept playing. So it wasn't a big deal.

Also, he'd be getting in more trouble if he kept running up field in Kelly's era, obviously. I guarantee you there isnt a ex pro who disagrees with me. They know these new guys have it way too easy. 

Don't tell me- well so and so praised this or that modern jock. Of course they did. Don't burn bridges with the mighty NFL. You might get more money from them

[Draconator]

17 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

 Their circular, pointless and have no real answer

Kinda like all your posts?

[Simon]

9 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

Obviously it wasn't much of a shot. Big chin pad and things always look worse than they actually were.

 

That shot would have knocked out 90% of the QBs that have ever stepped on an NFL field.

You either have no idea what you're talking about, are approaching full senility or have officially entered troll territory.

 

9 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

Don't tell me- well so and so praised this or that modern jock. Of course they did. Don't burn bridges with the mighty NFL. You might get more money from them

 

I don't care about your wildly inaccurate strawman nonsense or your dipspit conspiracy theories.

I do care that you are clearly annoying a lot of members of this community and would politely suggest that you enjoy your remaining time here. I think it will likely be brief because at least one of the moderators here is a merciless, unforgiving, intolerant jackass. Good luck.

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

Obviously it wasn't much of a shot. Big chin pad and things always look worse than they actually were. And obviously he kept playing. So it wasn't a big deal.

Also, he'd be getting in more trouble if he kept running up field in Kelly's era, obviously. I guarantee you there isnt a ex pro who disagrees with me. They know these new guys have it way too easy. 

Don't tell me- well so and so praised this or that modern jock. Of course they did. Don't burn bridges with the mighty NFL. You might get more money from them

He wouldn’t be able to play the same way. He would get killed if he tried. It has nothing to do with how tough he is either. It was just understood that you try and injure the QB when you hit him.  Which was largely ok for most of the games existence. Almost promoted. I don’t think it’s a coincidence we are seeing so many dual threat QB’s emerge when you really can’t hit them. I’m sure Allen would still be great and figure it out it just wouldn’t be the same is all. 

[Harold Jackson]

8 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Kinda like all your posts?

 

Well, you're inability to understand someone who doesn't think like the majority. Doesn't make me wrong.

And most everyone here just succumbs to the latest and greatest.

Here's the thing. OJs 62 TDs. He worked a hell of alot harder to get those then Josh did to get 63. You can't argue with that. It was far less stress and strain for Josh. Far less an accomplishment. 

 

There is no argument. It's absolute fact that todays players don't have half the adversity on the field that they did between 65-2000. Their stats are irrelevant to the actual accomplishments or importance within the sport. Do I still kind of like it? Yeah. Am I somewhat impressed? Sure, some. 

But don't you dare compare these current homogenized pansies to the real tough guys of before. 

 

[Draconator]

Just now, Harold Jackson said:

 

Well, you're inability to understand someone who doesn't think like the majority. Doesn't make me wrong.

And most everyone here just succumbs to the latest and greatest.

Here's the thing. OJs 62 TDs. He worked a hell of alot harder to get those then Josh did to get 63. You can't argue with that. It was far less stress and strain for Josh. Far less an accomplishment. 

 

There is no argument. It's absolute fact that todays players don't have half the adversity on the field that they did between 65-2000. Their stats are irrelevant to the actual accomplishments or importance within the sport. Do I still kind of like it? Yeah. Am I somewhat impressed? Sure, some. 

But don't you dare compare these current homogenized pansies to the real tough guys of before. 

 

I really didn't want or need a soliloquy. (It's a college word. Google it). 

[Harold Jackson]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

That shot would have knocked out 90% of the QBs that have ever stepped on an NFL field.

Because they didn't have that playschool safety chin pad. It's a pointless comparison 

[Billz4ever]

10 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

He wouldn’t be able to play the same way. He would get killed if he tried. It has nothing to do with how tough he is either. It was just understood that you try and injure the QB when you hit him.  Which was largely ok for most of the games existence. Almost promoted. I don’t think it’s a coincidence we are seeing so many dual threat QB’s emerge when you really can’t hit them. I’m sure Allen would still be great and figure it out it just wouldn’t be the same is all. 

I'm not disagreeing with you that Josh would need to be more careful back then, but...

 

Anyone who thinks Josh couldn't play when it was still open season on QBs needs to listen to Steve Young talk about Josh.

 

He's a big fan of Josh and his talent and I think it's because he sees a lot of his game in Josh and has said Josh is bigger, faster, and stronger than he is.

Edited December 17 by Billz4ever

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

Because they didn't have that playschool safety chin pad. It's a pointless comparison 

 

An inch-thick foam chinpad stopping a helmet crown doing 20mph....     

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Simon said:

 

A chinpad stopping a helmet crown doing 20mph....     

 

Must be that modern era plastic. You know...😂😂

 

[nedboy7]

Well let’s give Bruce the BS we give this team every week.  So what did he win exactly?   Nothing.  

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm not disagreeing with you that Josh would need to be more careful back then, but...

 

Anyone who thinks Josh couldn't play when it was still open season on QBs needs to listen to Steve Young talk about Josh.

 

He's a big fan of Josh and his talent and I think it's because he sees a lot of his game in Josh and has said Josh is bigger, faster, and stronger than he is.

He could do it, it would just be different. Steve Young and Elway. It would be an interesting science experiment. 

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Harold Jackson said:

No, it's called I have eyes and self awareness. Josh wouldn't last a  second in 1985/95. Todays players B word about tiny bruises and hang nails.

Lol at saying a pro QB that went to 4 SBs didn't have better/comparable talent. QBs run past the line of scrimmage more often now because they know  the league made more rules to make it easier lol.

It doesn't have crap to do with not accepting the future. All jocks today are weak pussies compared to their forefathers. In ALL sports. Waaaaa don't go over 100 pitches... Scamper up to 3 point line, shoot. Run back the other way. QBs will be wearing flags in no time.  

 

As I said earlier, rewriting record books isn't hard now. It's a weak comparison with new pansy rules.

When Allen gets one SB. Then he can be part of the conversation.

( I love sports arguments lol. Their circular, pointless and have no real answer) 

He hasn't passed him in anything but pointless regular season ,pansy rules stats.

Josh just has 4 Super Bowls to play horrible in and lose to surpass Jimbo.

 

Fun fact, Josh already has 5 more TD’s in the playoffs than Kelly and 24 less INT’s.