Week 16 - Patriots at Bills Game Week Thread (Game at 4:25pm ET)

[Dave_Bills]

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

None of the players approve of Brittany because of the stunt she pulled the night before the Bengals divisional game.

What was that? I don’t remember

[Herc11]

3 minutes ago, Dave_Bills said:

What was that? I don’t remember

Going ape 💩 on Josh and keeping him up all night

[Doc Brown]

I noticed game threads after a win are much more pleasant for some reason.

[Comebackkid]

19 hours ago, bills742 said:

 

That nerf vortex is the only  football Trubisky is allowed to throw

Edited Thursday at 05:56 PM by Comebackkid

[Fan in Chicago]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

What a surprise for a 30+ year old RB

While Barkley is younger, I also think he has been over-used by the Eagles. After a long 17 game season, how much juice will he have in the playoffs? I could be wrong but my guess is that both Henry and Barkley wont be as impactful in the playoffs as they have been in the regular season. 

Note that I had also said this (being over-used) about CMC and he has been injured quite frequently. 

[Sierra Foothills]

9 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

We also need to have a Herbert conversation. I'm starting to think maybe he's a better traits version of Kirk cousins. Which is still a good QB, but not elite like ppl think. 

 

There is something about Herbert that is missing, I can't put my finger on it. 

 

8 hours ago, Logic said:

I do agree that sometimes there are quarterbacks that seem to lack a certain "it factor". Kirk Cousins is the best example. If you look at purely his statistical production in the prime of his career, it's very good, even elite at times. And yet, his teams rarely made much noise outside the regular season, and almost no one was looking at Kirk Cousins and saying "boy am I scared to play THAT guy".

Buy why? Why is that? I don't really have an answer. There was just...SOMETHING...that was missing. I don't know what. It was like empty statistical production. Is it heart? Will? Grit? The invisible, intangible, oft cited but impossible to define "it factor"? I don't know.

I'm not sure I'm ready to put Herbert in that category just yet, but I see where you're coming from. I'd like to see what he looks like in year two of a Jim Harbaugh offense, after they add some legitimate receiving weapons for him. He's a really talented guy. Does he have the "win or die trying" gene like Allen and Mahomes? Not sure yet. Jury's still out.

 

Regarding Kirk, his record in prime time night games is 13-20 and he's 1-4 in the playoffs. He hasn't played well when the lights shine brightest.

 

As far as Herbert, yeah very underwhelming. I think it was before last year and some pundit had him as the 3rd best QB in the league, ahead of Josh. We won't be seeing stupidity like that anymore. Whatever it is that makes a QB great, Herbert doesn't have it which is interesting, considering he's arguably Josh's equal athletically.

 

Harbaugh is also an interesting topic of discussion. His record speaks for itself but if you examine the team's he coached, he is not really an offensive mastermind. His one great 49ers team was just loaded at every position. Everywhere else his offenses have been run-first, pound-the-rock units... think Toby Gerhart.

 

There's this assumption that Harbaugh will quarterback whisper some magic into Herbert's ears... but if they're successful together it'll be because Harbaugh's built a strong running game, defense and special teams around Herbert.

 

Herbert is truly a physically gifted game manager.

 

 

[Comebackkid]

thought i'd head over to Patsfans forum because....well why not!    

obviously its what one would expect  and at this point its like there isnt really even

any ill will toward buffalo since there is just such a large gap between the two teams.

 

however i did come across this post which is pretty intelligent in a logical sense.  

it will be interesting to see how it plays out with the roles being reversed but here is some food for thought.

 

Yesterday at 1:40 PM

An interesting gauge of this game and where Krafty Bob's team stands as a franchise is a look back at NE v Buffalo matchups when the shoe was on the other foot - the Pats were a great team with a gaudy record leading the division and battling for a top playoff spot whilst hosting the Bills when they sucked....I did not cherry pick these years (felt 2010 was a good starting point with Brady two years removed from his ACL)....anyway...
2010 Pats beat a pesky Buffalo (4-12) team 38-30
2011 Pats beat Bills (6-10) 49-21 but Buffalo jumped out to a 21-0 lead in the first Q
2012 Pats beat Bills (6-10) 37-31
2013 Pats beat Bills 34-20 but score is 16-10 in the 4th quarter
2014 - Pats rest starters, not applicable
2015 - Pats beat Bills (8-8) 20-13
2016 - Pats lose to Bills (7-9) 16-0 (Brissett started w Jimmy G hurt)
I stopped at 2016 because in 2017 Buffalo was decent in McDermott's first year
So what we have here are many examples of very weak often last place Bills teams going into Foxboro playing competitive games vs the Patriots, who in each of these seasons were a bye week team (one of the top two in the conference).
So this week, we have a weak, last place Patriots team heading into a Buffalo club making a push for the #1 seed. Somehow Buffalo managed to remain competitive vs the Patriots when faced with the same situation for the better part of seven seasons.
Buffalo coaches during that span? A murderer's row of coaching intelligentsia the likes of Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan.
Can Kraft's show and tell exhibit Jerod Mayo pull off what those three modern day Knute Rocknes pulled off - remain competitive with the top team in the AFC? Somehow I doubt it.
Time will tell..

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

Regarding Kirk, his record in prime time night games is 13-20 and he's 1-4 in the playoffs. He hasn't played well when the lights shine brightest.

 

As far as Herbert, yeah very underwhelming. I think it was before last year and some pundit had him as the 3rd best QB in the league, ahead of Josh. We won't be seeing stupidity like that anymore. Whatever it is that makes a QB great, Herbert doesn't have it which is interesting, considering he's arguably Josh's equal athletically.

 

Harbaugh is also an interesting topic of discussion. His record speaks for itself but if you examine the team's he coached, he is not really an offensive mastermind. His one great 49ers team was just loaded at every position. Everywhere else his offenses have been run-first, pound-the-rock units... think Toby Gerhart.

 

There's this assumption that Harbaugh will quarterback whisper some magic into Herbert's ears... but if they're successful together it'll be because Harbaugh's built a strong running game, defense and special teams around Herbert.

 

Herbert is truly a physically gifted game manager.

 

 

You need to look at Kirk’s stats when it comes to playoff games. The guy had played lights out in the playoffs, it’s his defense that lets him down (sound familiar?) Kirk stats are incredible in the playoffs, he has played excellent playoff football 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

Regarding Kirk, his record in prime time night games is 13-20 and he's 1-4 in the playoffs. He hasn't played well when the lights shine brightest.

 

As far as Herbert, yeah very underwhelming. I think it was before last year and some pundit had him as the 3rd best QB in the league, ahead of Josh. We won't be seeing stupidity like that anymore. Whatever it is that makes a QB great, Herbert doesn't have it which is interesting, considering he's arguably Josh's equal athletically.

 

Harbaugh is also an interesting topic of discussion. His record speaks for itself but if you examine the team's he coached, he is not really an offensive mastermind. His one great 49ers team was just loaded at every position. Everywhere else his offenses have been run-first, pound-the-rock units... think Toby Gerhart.

 

There's this assumption that Harbaugh will quarterback whisper some magic into Herbert's ears... but if they're successful together it'll be because Harbaugh's built a strong running game, defense and special teams around Herbert.

 

Herbert is truly a physically gifted game manager.

 

 

Herbert & Lawrence are the most over rated "sure things" to ever play qb.

[Matt_In_NH]

6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I noticed game threads after a win are much more pleasant for some reason.

I noticed I do t shake my head as much reading them too

[Sierra Foothills]

6 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

You need to look at Kirk’s stats when it comes to playoff games. The guy had played lights out in the playoffs, it’s his defense that lets him down (sound familiar?) Kirk stats are incredible in the playoffs, he has played excellent playoff football 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CousKi00.htm

 

If you scroll down to "Passing" you can click on th "Playoffs" tab.

 

[Behindenemylines]

7 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

Regarding Kirk, his record in prime time night games is 13-20 and he's 1-4 in the playoffs. He hasn't played well when the lights shine brightest.

 

As far as Herbert, yeah very underwhelming. I think it was before last year and some pundit had him as the 3rd best QB in the league, ahead of Josh. We won't be seeing stupidity like that anymore. Whatever it is that makes a QB great, Herbert doesn't have it which is interesting, considering he's arguably Josh's equal athletically.

 

Harbaugh is also an interesting topic of discussion. His record speaks for itself but if you examine the team's he coached, he is not really an offensive mastermind. His one great 49ers team was just loaded at every position. Everywhere else his offenses have been run-first, pound-the-rock units... think Toby Gerhart.

 

There's this assumption that Harbaugh will quarterback whisper some magic into Herbert's ears... but if they're successful together it'll be because Harbaugh's built a strong running game, defense and special teams around Herbert.

 

Herbert is truly a physically gifted game manager.

 

 

Cousins is really good at getting contracts signed and making bank. That’s his true talent 

[Whites Bay]

Related to the Pats* post above, I was thinking this morning about the feeling/aura around an impending Pats* game back during the drought.  We all just KNEW the Bills were going to get spanked...somehow.  The requisite flag, the inevitable injury, the predictable boneheaded coaching decision.  A Pats* game was a BIG DEAL.

 

Now it's just a chance to pad stats.  How delightful.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

7 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

thought i'd head over to Patsfans forum because....well why not!    

obviously its what one would expect  and at this point its like there isnt really even

any ill will toward buffalo since there is just such a large gap between the two teams.

 

however i did come across this post which is pretty intelligent in a logical sense.  

it will be interesting to see how it plays out with the roles being reversed but here is some food for thought.

 

Yesterday at 1:40 PM

An interesting gauge of this game and where Krafty Bob's team stands as a franchise is a look back at NE v Buffalo matchups when the shoe was on the other foot - the Pats were a great team with a gaudy record leading the division and battling for a top playoff spot whilst hosting the Bills when they sucked....I did not cherry pick these years (felt 2010 was a good starting point with Brady two years removed from his ACL)....anyway...
2010 Pats beat a pesky Buffalo (4-12) team 38-30
2011 Pats beat Bills (6-10) 49-21 but Buffalo jumped out to a 21-0 lead in the first Q
2012 Pats beat Bills (6-10) 37-31
2013 Pats beat Bills 34-20 but score is 16-10 in the 4th quarter
2014 - Pats rest starters, not applicable
2015 - Pats beat Bills (8-8) 20-13
2016 - Pats lose to Bills (7-9) 16-0 (Brissett started w Jimmy G hurt)
I stopped at 2016 because in 2017 Buffalo was decent in McDermott's first year
So what we have here are many examples of very weak often last place Bills teams going into Foxboro playing competitive games vs the Patriots, who in each of these seasons were a bye week team (one of the top two in the conference).
So this week, we have a weak, last place Patriots team heading into a Buffalo club making a push for the #1 seed. Somehow Buffalo managed to remain competitive vs the Patriots when faced with the same situation for the better part of seven seasons.
Buffalo coaches during that span? A murderer's row of coaching intelligentsia the likes of Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone, and Rex Ryan.
Can Kraft's show and tell exhibit Jerod Mayo pull off what those three modern day Knute Rocknes pulled off - remain competitive with the top team in the AFC? Somehow I doubt it.
Time will tell..

so what you're saying is it will be a competitive game but the bills still win. I can take that. division games as all know can be close and competitive regardless of records. although, this game I don't see ever being close. this train is running down the track collecting wins along the way to the promiseland. they're not done yet.

 

hang on for the ride!

[Big Turk]

Patriots OLine is so bad at pass protection, might be one of the worst graded lines ever...

 

They have a composite grade of an 8 which is downright awful, stemming from 3 grades of 2,17 and 0.

 

[Steptide]

9 hours ago, Herc11 said:

Going ape 💩 on Josh and keeping him up all night

Don't think any of that was ever confirmed. Just all speculation. I'm sure there's at least some truth to it, but we don't know the whole story for sure 

[YattaOkasan]

15 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

1,000 km

Finally get to use the Mega meter term ive been saving for so long.  

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Don't think any of that was ever confirmed. Just all speculation. I'm sure there's at least some truth to it, but we don't know the whole story for sure 

Weren't the cops called for it also? 

 

Like you said, all speculation but that seems like something that would have been talked about locally.

[Big Turk]

 

[Magox]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Patriots OLine is so bad at pass protection, might be one of the worst graded lines ever...

 

They have a composite grade of an 8 which is downright awful, stemming from 3 grades of 2,17 and 0.

 

 

It's a metric and the way I view metrics is that they can be useful at least in a directional sense, with that said, look at what these ratings show for KC.  I've seen enough KC games to believe these metrics have no basis in reality when it comes to KC and pass protection.