Sean McDermott is the 5th coach in NFL history to win 11 or more games in 5 straight seasons.

[Augie]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not true at all, and you really need to stop strawman-ing me. I've pointed this out to you before. Your over-sensitivity in these discussions discredits your argument as well.

 

Just because we talk about the issues doesnt mean there is any hate.

 

Dont come after ME just because the fact is Dungy didnt win a Super Bowl in Tampa.

 

This thread isnt about which is the better person off the field.

 

I’m not going looking for it, but you posted you wanted a massive overhaul with McD gone and left yourself little to no wiggle room. I not coming after you at all, just pointing out what you had previously posted.  I just said I’d have rather given Dungy the opportunity to win it with the team he built. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m not going looking for it, but you posted you wanted a massive overhaul with McD gone and left yourself little to no wiggle room. I not coming after you at all, just pointing out what you had previously posted.  I just said I’d have rather given Dungy the opportunity to win it with the team he built. 

 

You probably should go look for the post(s) then because any time I've mentioned any firing it has been completely contingent on having another coaching/defensive meltdown in the playoffs. And given the way Josh is playing, if the coaching and/or defense let him down again, it will be tough for anyone to argue differently.

 

I've also posted numerous times about all the things I like about McD, and have even said if (when) we do win one with him at the helm then give that guy a lifetime contract and carte blanch to do whatever he wants.

[T master]

12 hours ago, Chaos said:

Sean McDermott is the 5th coach in NFL history to win 11 or more games in 5 straight seasons. he joins Tom Landry, Tony Dungy, Andy Reid and Bill Belichick.

 

AW he sucks ! just get rid of the bum, he'll never do nothing for the Bills , AIN'T THAT RIGHT HATERS ????? 

[transient]

36 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Super Bowl wins, right? Reid's first came in his 20th year as an HC, Belichick's in his seventh. This is McDermott's eighth. 

 

Anyone who thinks we've got enough data on McDermott yet is simply not thinking clearly.

Appearances/wins. McDermott is the only one on that list to not even have an appearance in the first 5 years of such a stretch of 11 win seasons, unless he makes it this year. 

 

I don't hate McDermott. I think he's a better coach than most in this league. I don't know who would come in off the street and be immediately better. However, I don't love him either. I don't think he's upper echelon like Reid, Landry, and Belichick on that list. I'm not blind to the fact that, despite the fact he's got a once in a generation talent at QB that buoys his W-L record, his game management and awful playoff defenses have routinely sabotaged the Bills in big games. Based on his history to date, for him to get to/win a SB I think the stars will have to align for him. The Bills will have to be healthy and outclass their opponent. He has not demonstrated that he can be relied on to outcoach an upper echelon coached opponent in a close game against an equally talented team.

[Sojourner]

2 hours ago, Nuncha said:

The guy McD replaced, and every other coach after Marv Levy were the sh*t coaches.  Short memory? 

Well, that was blatantly sarcastic of me. Most clearly picked up on that. Sorry you took it serious dude. 

[klos63]

He outcoached Campbell yesterday,  right?

 

When we lose, it seems the thinking is we were outcoached. 

 

[amprov56]

9 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

I see you are new to this board.  This board has been calling for McD's head since the day he was hired.   Get used to it. 

 

 This board will whine about McD at any opportunity. 

You know it, not sure whether I should laugh or cry at the absurdity!

8 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

Fire McD!

Ralph is cheap!

 

Am I doing this right?

 

/s

One more - Stefan Diggs, please come back!

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yes, but also heavily coach dependent, you'll notice.

 

You need a very good coach and a very good QB to have consistent excellent success.

 

 

 

 

Super Bowl wins, right? Reid's first came in his 20th year as an HC, Belichick's in his seventh. This is McDermott's eighth. 

 

Anyone who thinks we've got enough data on McDermott yet is simply not thinking clearly.

Stop ruining the narrative!

Edited December 16 by amprov56

[Nuncha]

6 hours ago, Sojourner said:

Well, that was blatantly sarcastic of me. Most clearly picked up on that. Sorry you took it serious dude. 

Lots of Bills "fans" hate on McD for whatever reason dude.  Guess you don't look here often.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 hours ago, klos63 said:

He outcoached Campbell yesterday,  right?

 

When we lose, it seems the thinking is we were outcoached. 

 

Mcd haters got a little bit lucky with the rash of defensive injuries as the game went on imo.  Granted the lions had defensive injury issues of their own too so it turned out pretty fair.  If we didn’t lose both Milano and Williams I think we absolutely would’ve blown them out 

 

Ben Johnson seemed to be a step behind most of the first half when our injuries were pretty manageable then when Spector hit the field the floodgates opened.  He was absolutely horrible really reminded me of what kc did to aj klein in the playoff game in a similar situation 

Edited December 16 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[OldNMBillsFan]

14 hours ago, todd said:

For those not familiar, we will see lots of posts hating on McDermott. Most people realize he's a very good coach, but some think every loss is his fault and every win is despite him. It's kinda funny.

I tend to think a lot of the McDermott haters are either Miami NE or Jets fans trolling and posing as Bills fans just trying to have some fun during the season because their teams suck so bad that this is the only fun they can have. You can spot them by their date joined. 

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, transient said:

Appearances/wins. McDermott is the only one on that list to not even have an appearance in the first 5 years of such a stretch of 11 win seasons, unless he makes it this year. 

 

I don't hate McDermott. I think he's a better coach than most in this league. I don't know who would come in off the street and be immediately better. However, I don't love him either. I don't think he's upper echelon like Reid, Landry, and Belichick on that list. I'm not blind to the fact that, despite the fact he's got a once in a generation talent at QB that buoys his W-L record, his game management and awful playoff defenses have routinely sabotaged the Bills in big games. Based on his history to date, for him to get to/win a SB I think the stars will have to align for him. The Bills will have to be healthy and outclass their opponent. He has not demonstrated that he can be relied on to outcoach an upper echelon coached opponent in a close game against an equally talented team.

 

 

Yeah, but to create a list that allows those guys on and keeps McDermott off, you have to unnaturally eliminate nearly all the other options. You've squashed the list of great coaches down to a tiny little sample size of four or five. That fact is more a testament to your excellent job of carefully crafting your sample so it allows the guys you like and doesn't allow McDermott than saying anything important.

 

Again, Belichick didn't win one till his seventh year and Reid his 20th. McDermott has a ton of time to haul himself up among that list, and shows every sign of being able to do so.

 

He still has something to prove, no question.

 

But so did Belichick and Reid. Till they did it.That's how it works for everyone. You haven't proved it till you prove it. For some it comes quick. For some, Reid most particularly, it takes a long time.

 

And again, Sean hasn't had awful playoff defenses. They've been pretty excellent, except at stopping the Chiefs. And a lot of defenses have looked awful at stopping the Chiefs offense from scoring what they needed.

 

But your take is more nuanced and sensible than many of the folks on here.

 

 

Edited December 17 by Thurman#1