79 points against in two weeks

[thenorthremembers]

3 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

I mean: antoher very good win to haunt the nr1 seed, but again another poor D performance. Again 42 points allowed ? Oh well.... i really can't see how we cen reach the goal when we always play this atrocious zone D where good QBs always destroy us. Always in drop coverage... i'm sick of that.

 

Goff almost 500 yards ??? Com'on.... 

 

A few things on this:

 

• 225 of those yards went to backs and tight ends.   The Bills were giving the Lions the underneath routes to attempt and not get beat over the top. This works extremely well to the Lions advantage when the Bills pass rush doesnt get home.   
• The Lions were down the entire game.   494 yards isn't exactly earth shattering when you throw the ball 59 times.  
• The Bills held two backs who are on pace for 1,000 yards a piece to 2.8 yards a carry.  
• The Bills are absolutely beat to hell on defense.   Down to their 5th safety.  So beat up at OLB they had to have an injured player come back into a game (kudos to you Dorian Williams, a lot of heart there).  Down to their backup cornerback etc. 
• The Bills had plenty of defense until the end of the 3rd quarter of the game.  The Lions are good, get over it. 

I have no clue why posters on this board would rather focus on the negative parts of a win, rather than the things the Bills actually did well.    Like I said yesterday, I think many of you think its still 1995 NFL.    This is the game the NFL wants.   Offensive holding was called at a minimum.  There were 3 quarterback sacks on 93 pass drop backs yesterday.  Think about how insane that is.    

[njbuff]

1 minute ago, Blackbeard said:

Yes.  Lets be overly critical of a very good D performance, all things considered.

 

--numerous back ups in.

--facing the BEST offense in the league

 

 

Can't we just be happy we beat the best NFL team, and we did so comfortably?  We controlled that whole game.

 

Hats off to personnel and coaching.

Yesterday comfortable turned into needless angst, but the Bills walked with a W.

 

On to the Pats.

[Italian Bills]

3 minutes ago, njbuff said:

McDermott’s stubbornness with the soft zone/prevent is mind numbing.

 

It turned a blowout into a nail biter.

 

That’s my biggest gripe about a great win.

 

Move on to NE.

Exactly on spot, exactly what i meant.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Italian Bills said:

I didn't see many blitzes in this game... nor aggressive stick on 5 yards agains their WRs. 

 

They blitzed less yesterday, good! The blitzes were a big part of the problem last week. They did play some man though yesterday still. They mixed that in through the first 2 and a half quarters. They went to exclusively soft zone later - I think too soon, I agree with that, but I also think they were trying to protect the spots where they were hurting, especially safety. 

[DJB]

No D no C?

 

 

Bro there are blue pills to help you with that 

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

I'm not saying we are not fine... i'm saying that if we have to score always +35 point to win games, we could be in trouble the day where our O is a little bit off and we need our D to win that game.

 

 

The game was over here. Just bad luck. 

 

 

[frostbitmic]

9 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

Yep, went from having the #1 D under Leslie to this hot garbage. 

It's the same Defense ... It's McDermott's Defense no matter who is calling the plays.

 

 

[Italian Bills]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

A few things on this:

 

• 225 of those yards went to backs and tight ends.   The Bills were giving the Lions the underneath routes to attempt and not get beat over the top. This works extremely well to the Lions advantage when the Bills pass rush doesnt get home.   
• The Lions were down the entire game.   494 yards isn't exactly earth shattering when you throw the ball 59 times.  
• The Bills held two backs who are on pace for 1,000 yards a piece to 2.8 yards a carry.  
• The Bills are absolutely beat to hell on defense.   Down to their 5th safety.  So beat up at OLB they had to have an injured player come back into a game (kudos to you Dorian Williams, a lot of heart there).  Down to their backup cornerback etc. 
• The Bills had plenty of defense until the end of the 3rd quarter of the game.  The Lions are good, get over it. 

I have no clue why posters on this board would rather focus on the negative parts of a win, rather than the things the Bills actually did well.    Like I said yesterday, I think many of you think its still 1995 NFL.    This is the game the NFL wants.   Offensive holding was called at a minimum.  There were 3 quarterback sacks on 93 pass drop backs yesterday.  Think about how insane that is.    

I wish to see less prevent-zone defense, that's all. But maybe i'm worng... 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

The game was over here. Just bad luck. 

 

 

 

Was a great throw. Lewis is the only player I'd criticise slightly. He gets his closing angle slightly wrong and against a player as good as St Brown that's trouble. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

24 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

I mean: antoher very good win to haunt the nr1 seed, but again another poor D performance. Again 42 points allowed ? Oh well.... i really can't see how we cen reach the goal when we always play this atrocious zone D where good QBs always destroy us. Always in drop coverage... i'm sick of that.

 

Goff almost 500 yards ??? Com'on.... 

 

We have Josh Allen.  That’s the only D we need.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, frostbitmic said:

It's the same Defense ... It's McDermott's Defense no matter who is calling the plays.

 

 

 

While the fundamentals are similar this is not the exact defense Leslie Frazier was running. 

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Italian Bills said:

I wish to see less prevent-zone defense, that's all. But maybe i'm worng... 

 

If you have your starting safeties in the game, you probably play less.   I am sure the coaching staff was extremely worried about Bishop and Lewis.   

Edited December 16 by thenorthremembers

[Eastport bills]

18 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

I mean: antoher very good win to haunt the nr1 seed, but again another poor D performance. Again 42 points allowed ? Oh well.... i really can't see how we cen reach the goal when we always play this atrocious zone D where good QBs always destroy us. Always in drop coverage... i'm sick of that.

 

Goff almost 500 yards ??? Com'on.... 

The zone is because we couldn’t play man with the personnel available or against the receivers on LA. The Rams and Lions who play good defense couldn’t stop us on any possession. I have to believe the safeties and Douglas will get healthy and be somewhat better. The question is who is stopping us?  Would you prefer to be KC, who have problems scoring and win games every week on the last play of the game.

[ganesh]

13 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Our D made the game a lot closer than it needed to be...........McD better tighten things up a bit for the post season.

Curious to hear (not a sarcasm) on how you think the Bills can improve the defense with the given personnel?  

 

Are they ready to change scheme and go more man-coverage and roll the dice with their DBs hoping that there are not too many big plays  ? 

Are they ready to go to a more common 4-3-4  instead of the 4-2-5 scheme they are running which would mean either Johnson takes another CB or goes to the bench.  I mean the chiefs have done that with their best slot corner. 

 

The biggest place where change may be needed but the Bills are not flexible enough to get is the DL.  For the Bills to win, this DL needs to play at a different level every single snap.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

11 minutes ago, njbuff said:

McDermott’s stubbornness with the soft zone/prevent is mind numbing.

 

It turned a blowout into a nail biter.

 

That’s my biggest gripe about a great win.

 

Move on to NE.

 

After the 66 yard TD on 3rd and long - that being the play that really got them back into the game - i wasn't shocked to turn a bit more prevent.  With 2 minutes left in a 2 score game, i'd also play prevent.  A big play is the only way they get back into it.  

[Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin]

10 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

You can disagree with morons like ourself... that's not a big deal, take it easy, we can have polite conversation

It is pretty frustrating when people(you) make a post like this after a win like that.  So don’t get all bitchy when you get some heat

[Sweats]

1 minute ago, ganesh said:

Curious to hear (not a sarcasm) on how you think the Bills can improve the defense with the given personnel?  

 

Are they ready to change scheme and go more man-coverage and roll the dice with their DBs hoping that there are not too many big plays  ? 

Are they ready to go to a more common 4-3-4  instead of the 4-2-5 scheme they are running which would mean either Johnson takes another CB or goes to the bench.  I mean the chiefs have done that with their best slot corner. 

 

The biggest place where change may be needed but the Bills are not flexible enough to get is the DL.  For the Bills to win, this DL needs to play at a different level every single snap.

 

 

 

I don't know how to fix our D. I know when our Dline gets pressure on the QB, it creates havoc and TO opportunities for our secondary, however, the game plan was fairly adequate yesterday in holding the Lions run game to very minimal yards, but that opened up passing opportunities for Goff to pick us apart, so we basically picked our poison.

 

I can't complain over the game plan, as we won the game, but i just feel that we could have tightened things up a bit in our secondary to limit the passing plays to minimal yardage.......that's all i'm saying.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They blitzed less yesterday, good! The blitzes were a big part of the problem last week. They did play some man though yesterday still. They mixed that in through the first 2 and a half quarters. They went to exclusively soft zone later - I think too soon, I agree with that, but I also think they were trying to protect the spots where they were hurting, especially safety. 

 

Baylon Spector played 18 snaps and... i felt like he was targeted on half, and missed tackles... it was really bad.  

[Don Otreply]

30 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

I mean: antoher very good win to haunt the nr1 seed, but again another poor D performance. Again 42 points allowed ? Oh well.... i really can't see how we cen reach the goal when we always play this atrocious zone D where good QBs always destroy us. Always in drop coverage... i'm sick of that.

 

Goff almost 500 yards ??? Com'on.... 

we played a really good team that never stops trying to win, right down to the buzzer, what were you expecting??  We were underdogs by projected percentage odds to win this game, and we were in the lead from the beginning to the end,WTF dude, Detroit and Buffalo have really good QBs and offenses, like the top level league wide, again, why so serious…, 

[DrDawkinstein]

21 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

I didn't see many blitzes in this game... nor aggressive stick on 5 yards agains their WRs. 

 

17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They blitzed less yesterday, good! The blitzes were a big part of the problem last week. They did play some man though yesterday still. They mixed that in through the first 2 and a half quarters. They went to exclusively soft zone later - I think too soon, I agree with that, but I also think they were trying to protect the spots where they were hurting, especially safety. 

 

The blitzes yesterday actually worked well.

 

Benford got there. Milano got there. Whenever we rushed more than 4 we caused havoc and either got a sack, or pressured Goff into a quick throw away.

 

There's something to be said for the blitz actually helping your decimated backfield by not giving guys enough time to get open when we're getting clear runs at the QB.

15 minutes ago, ganesh said:

Curious to hear (not a sarcasm) on how you think the Bills can improve the defense with the given personnel?  

 

Are they ready to change scheme and go more man-coverage and roll the dice with their DBs hoping that there are not too many big plays  ? 

Are they ready to go to a more common 4-3-4  instead of the 4-2-5 scheme they are running which would mean either Johnson takes another CB or goes to the bench.  I mean the chiefs have done that with their best slot corner. 

 

The biggest place where change may be needed but the Bills are not flexible enough to get is the DL.  For the Bills to win, this DL needs to play at a different level every single snap.

 

We started off the game playing a lot more man and sending extra rushers, and it worked great. Then whenever we'd go up by 3 scores, we'd go into a soft shell and let them right back into the game. And I'm not talking about the end of the game. I'm talking like 2nd quarter.

 

That's my main beef in this great win. We dont stick to our guns, play to win, and put our heels on their throat. Once we get any type of lead, we go soft, play to "not lose", which just allows the other team to move right down and score.

 

Then once the other team was back close, we'd go back to man/blitzing and shut it down again.