79 points against in two weeks

[Gregg]

The performance by the defense wasn't that bad. Played well enough to get a 35-14 lead. Gave up only 21 points after 3 quarters. It would have been nice if they could have carried that performance throughout the 4th quarter. With the Lions offense they were going to get their yards and points especially with them desperately trying to get back in the game.

[GerstAusGosheim]

Yep, went from having the #1 D under Leslie to this hot garbage. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

 

That’s what happens in the playoffs - especially against Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs.
 

Philadelphia had the top defense in 2022 and gave up 38 points including a short game winning FG on the final drive in the SB

 

San Francisco had the best defense last season according the PFF and couldn’t stop KC much in the 4th.  Also gave up the game winning score.  
 

We debunked this narrative to death but the playoff losses to CIN (2023) and KC (2024) wasn’t entirely on the defense.  Offense failed to do its part.

 

You need to stop play good complimentary football and to get lucky to win a Super Bowl 

 

The teams that get to and win the super bowls, make stops. It’s not complete liability defenses that ride on their offense. It’s harder to score in the playoffs. That’s why you need to rely on both sides of the ball. I’m not saying we can’t and I’m not saying we won’t, but it needs to get fixed now. Winning yesterday was great. The week before hurts a little less and I’m thrilled at how locked in our offense has been…giving to 40+ in back to back weeks is inexcusable. Fix the defense now. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Gregg said:

The performance by the defense wasn't that bad. Played well enough to get a 35-14 lead. Gave up only 21 points after 3 quarters. It would have been nice if they could have carried that performance throughout the 4th quarter. With the Lions offense they were going to get their yards and points especially with them desperately trying to get back in the game.

 

They also lost Milano (with Williams already banged up) and Bishop around that time. I thought Babich did a really good job 1st half. 2nd half was a bit less impressive.

[Sweats]

Our D made the game a lot closer than it needed to be...........McD better tighten things up a bit for the post season.

[Gregg]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

They also lost Milano (with Williams already banged up) and Bishop around that time. I thought Babich did a really good job 1st half. 2nd half was a bit less impressive.

 

4th quarter wasn't pretty. Giving up only 21 points through 3 quarters was pretty good. We all knew the Lions were going to get their points. Do the Bills have things to work on to get better. Of course. Every team will say the same thing but to go into Detroit and come away with a win was impressive.

[Italian Bills]

3 minutes ago, Gregg said:

The performance by the defense wasn't that bad. Played well enough to get a 35-14 lead. Gave up only 21 points after 3 quarters. It would have been nice if they could have carried that performance throughout the 4th quarter. With the Lions offense they were going to get their yards and points especially with them desperately trying to get back in the game.

To me they play always a scared conservative D. Ok... they don't want give up big plays... but something i can't really stand, is when we give up the third downs with a +10/15 yards. I'm really tired to see our three LBs fall in drop coverage giving the O all that soft cushion. 

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

10 minutes ago, Italian Bills said:

You know what i meant bro... C like CHAMPIONSHIP !

I thought it meant coaching before opening the thread..I mean its one letter it could mean anything.  Could have been a male chicken.

[GerstAusGosheim]

12 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Not having to run our 4th and 5th safeties against the NFL's leading offense might make a difference.

Everyone roasted Leslie when his D was working with 4th and 5th safeties. Sean gets a pass? Thought he was the DB whisperer.

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

It is definitely concerning. It is the worst defense of the McDermott era. 

 

Statistically, Sean's D was not as good as Leslie's. This version might even be worse.

[Italian Bills]

9 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

A lot of it was garbage time 

 

It was 35-14 ( should've been 38-14)

It was 38-21 ( should've been 41-21)

Then it was 45-35. 

 

It shouldn't of come down to an onside kick but a lot of guys were out and some of it was a little luck. 

 

That st Brown long TD isn't happening again. Bernard was within an inch of an int

 

These rams and Lions might be the two best offenses in football ( obviously buffalo is number one)

 

 

We're fine 

I'm not saying we are not fine... i'm saying that if we have to score always +35 point to win games, we could be in trouble the day where our O is a little bit off and we need our D to win that game.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Italian Bills said:

To me they play always a scared conservative D. Ok... they don't want give up big plays... but something i can't really stand, is when we give up the third downs with a +10/15 yards. I'm really tired to see our three LBs fall in drop coverage giving the O all that soft cushion. 

 

 

 

They did that in the 4th quarter yesterday, but they didn't do that first half. They did very little of it last week, the issue vs the Rams was too aggressive not too conservative. 

[Italian Bills]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I thought it meant coaching before opening the thread..I mean its one letter it could mean anything.  Could have been a male chicken.

Sorry... but it was made on purpouse... do you think i should edit it ? 🙂

[corta765]

I swear to god some of you ignore context or reality with posts like this.

 

The Lions were the top scoring offense in the NFL coming in (actually still are today by a sliver ahead of Buffalo), the Bills defense was out 75% of the starting secondary before the game started. Then they lost Bishop & Milano in the game as it turned into a pure track meet. The defense did what it could which was not a lot given the attrition. I know morons like yourself want to believe every player on the bench or roster can just step in and be fine, but there is a reason why when starters are out in the NFL teams exploit it and it causes issues. Detroit fans are saying the same thing today as their D has been pretty good this year but also was severely banged up itself yesterday which the Bills took advantage of. If both teams are healthy its 24-20 maybe 28-24 or something, but the NFL prioritizes scoring now so it is tough for any defense when you have two offenses like yesterday.

[njbuff]

McDermott’s stubbornness with the soft zone/prevent is mind numbing.

 

It turned a blowout into a nail biter.

 

That’s my biggest gripe about a great win.

 

Move on to NE.

[RangerDave]

6 minutes ago, Gregg said:

The performance by the defense wasn't that bad. Played well enough to get a 35-14 lead. Gave up only 21 points after 3 quarters. It would have been nice if they could have carried that performance throughout the 4th quarter. With the Lions offense they were going to get their yards and points especially with them desperately trying to get back in the game.

I agree.  Desperate times called for desperate measures. The Lions were desperate to keep up with the Bills.  They took a lot of chances and won some of them.  Odds are, most teams can't keep that up and there will be consequences, ala the onside kick which almost resulted in a TD.

[Italian Bills]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They did that in the 4th quarter yesterday, but they didn't do that first half. They did very little of it last week, the issue vs the Rams was too aggressive not too conservative. 

I didn't see many blitzes in this game... nor aggressive stick on 5 yards agains their WRs. 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, GerstAusGosheim said:

Everyone roasted Leslie when his D was working with 4th and 5th safeties. Sean gets a pass? Thought he was the DB whisperer.

 

Statistically, Sean's D was not as good as Leslie's. This version might even be worse.

 

Leslie is by far the best of the 3 defensive coordinators we have had in the McDermott era. I'm 100% with you there. He got ridiculous unfounded hate from many.

[Blackbeard]

Yes.  Lets be overly critical of a very good D performance, all things considered.

 

--numerous back ups in.

--facing the BEST offense in the league

 

 

Can't we just be happy we beat the best NFL team, and we did so comfortably?  We controlled that whole game.

 

Hats off to personnel and coaching.

[chongli]

21 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

It was 35-14 ( should've been 38-14)

 

You mean "should've been 45-14"? Since we lost seven points. It was 3rd and goal at the one but then the Dawkins penalty and Tyler Bass miss after the injury timeout.

Edited December 16 by chongli

[Italian Bills]

1 minute ago, corta765 said:

I swear to god some of you ignore context or reality with posts like this.

 

The Lions were the top scoring offense in the NFL coming in (actually still are today by a sliver ahead of Buffalo), the Bills defense was out 75% of the starting secondary before the game started. Then they lost Bishop & Milano in the game as it turned into a pure track meet. The defense did what it could which was not a lot given the attrition. I know morons like yourself want to believe every player on the bench or roster can just step in and be fine, but there is a reason why when starters are out in the NFL teams exploit it and it causes issues. Detroit fans are saying the same thing today as their D has been pretty good this year but also was severely banged up itself yesterday which the Bills took advantage of. If both teams are healthy its 24-20 maybe 28-24 or something, but the NFL prioritizes scoring now so it is tough for any defense when you have two offenses like yesterday.

You can disagree with morons like ourself... that's not a big deal, take it easy, we can have polite conversation.