It's still entirely Josh Allen

[Einstein]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That actually isn't what people are arguing. Because there has never been any dispute that we don't win Sunday without Josh Allen. We don't beat the Chiefs without Josh Allen. Even if you replace him with a good QB like Goff. I have said that repeatedly. The hyperbole has all been on the other side of this debate. 

 

If we can replace anyone on offense except Allen… and still win… wouldn’t that be indicative that it’s all Allen?

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, FireChans said:

You don’t watch enough NFL games if you think Josh is playing like other QB’s this year.

You know nothing about football if you actually think ANY team is entirely one player. 
 

It’s just a really bad take.

 

He’s playing QB better than anyone in the history of the NFL (imo)- just say THAT-  there’s no reason to bash literally everyone else on the team to get illuminate how great he is.  
 

have fun though-  this has been entertaining.
 

[Royale with Cheese]

43 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I don’t think anyone is arguing that Josh is blocking for himself, throwing it himself, and then receiving his own passes. It’s not *literally* all Josh Allen. Obviously other players are involved.

The point being made is, remove Josh from the equation and replace him with any other QB and we lose on Sunday.

 

But… Replace Cook and Johnson with any halfway decent RB tandem and we still win.

 

Replace our WR’s with any halfway decent WR’s and we still win.

 

Saying it’s all Allen doesn’t mean he is literally the only person on the field. It means that he is the only irreplaceable player on the field. The rest of the guys are interchangeable parts.

 

And we’ve seen that in action. Coleman goes down? We still win. Kincaid goes down? We still win. O-Linemen goes down? We still win.

 

Its the Josh Allen show.

This is for every franchise QB.  Which Super Bowl contending team will still be a contending team if their QB goes down?

 

Why is Houston favored against KC this week?

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

If we can replace anyone on offense except Allen… and still win… wouldn’t that be indicative that it’s all Allen?

MENSA lol

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

If we can replace anyone on offense except Allen… and still win… wouldn’t that be indicative that it’s all Allen?

Man- is this for real?  

 

Replace him with who?  I bet we can win a bunch of games with Mahomes, hurts, Goff, Stafford.  So under this analogy, every QB that could win a game would be the entire offense. 

 

our backup happens to be Mitch- if we didn’t have Josh, we’d have someone better than Mitch.  

 

our OL is very good.  Without them- he isn’t playing THIS well. The pieces on this team plus our offense have enhanced him and have made him better than in the past-  including Brady.  
 

Put him on the Raiders and they aren’t 11-3.  If it’s ALL him, they would be 11-3 too.

 

 

 

[Gregg]

18 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

If we can replace anyone on offense except Allen… and still win… wouldn’t that be indicative that it’s all Allen?

 

This is probably the best supporting cast on offense that Allen has had since he has been here. Best OL, a strong running game led by Cook, and a good WR group. He's hardly doing this alone.

[NewEra]

16 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Allen made Campbell call onside kick w 12 minutes left to play down 10😂😂he was so good he literally made the opposing HC do something very weird and everybody kind of just shrugged and said 'yeah ok we kind of get it'

 

Nobody has seen anything like this dude before

 

 

Correct- no one has ever seen anything like him before.  I agree 💯.

 

but saying that he is the entire team is just dumb.  He wouldn’t be playing LIKE THIS on the raiders.  He wouldn’t be 11-3.  He wouldn’t be the MVP.  
 

or do you guys think he’d be the MVP and be playing like this wherever he played?  As if the team had nothing to do with his improvement from last year to this year.  If we still had the same WR that we did last season, he wouldn’t be playing THIS well.  Brady has NOTHING to do with how he’s playing?  💯 Josh-  no one else. 
 

He’s easily the most important player on any team.  We aren’t nearly as good without him (especially with Mitch at QB).  He’s easily the best player in the league playing at a level I’ve never seen anyone play before.  Why can’t you just say that?  That’s enough and could actually be correct.  Once you say he’s the entire team, you’re just wrong. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:48 PM by NewEra

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

If we can replace anyone on offense except Allen… and still win… wouldn’t that be indicative that it’s all Allen?

 

No it wouldn't. We know Quarterbacks have the single biggest impact on outcomes in the NFL. That is baked into the position. For as great as St Brown and Sewell are (and they are legit elite players) you could have taken them off the Lions on Sunday and replaced them with "any halfway decent" tackle and slot receiver and the Lions still play a close game with the Bills. Replace Jared Goff and they don't. And Allen's value above replacement is higher than Goff's, no question about that. But Quarterbacks impact football games more than anyone else. When you have a good one they are the irreplaceable part. When you have a great one that is even more evident. Vegas understands this because injuries only move the betting line when it's Quarterback. But it doesn't prove that the Bills are entirely Josh Allen any more than it proves that the Packers are entirely Jordan Love or the Bengals are entirely Joe Burrow or whatever other example you want to give. 

 

And Allen is the best player in the league. He obviously moves the needle more than anyone else. 

 

Oh and the other person who needs factoring in is Joe Brady. Because we saw the impact on Josh when we downgraded to Dorsey at coordinator. And the impact of upgrading again. 

Edited Tuesday at 01:23 PM by GunnerBill

[GoBills808]

33 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Correct- no one has ever seen anything like him before.  I agree 💯.

 

but saying that he is the entire team is just dumb.  He wouldn’t be playing LIKE THIS on the raiders.  He wouldn’t be 11-3.  He wouldn’t be the MVP.  
 

or do you guys think he’d be the MVP and be playing like this wherever he played?  As if the team had nothing to do with his improvement from last year to this year.  If we still had the same WR that we did last season, he wouldn’t be playing THIS well.  Brady has NOTHING to do with how he’s playing?  💯 Josh-  no one else. 
 

He’s easily the most important player on any team.  We aren’t nearly as good without him (especially with Mitch at QB).  He’s easily the best player in the league playing at a level I’ve never seen anyone play before.  Why can’t you just say that?  That’s enough and could actually be correct.  Once you say he’s the entire team, you’re just wrong. 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he would be playing like this w the Raiders. And they'd be 11-3 or thereabouts w Allen Bowers and Jakobi Meyers

[Avisan]

31 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he would be playing like this w the Raiders. And they'd be 11-3 or thereabouts w Allen Bowers and Jakobi Meyers

You think the 2-12 Raiders would be 11-3 with Allen at QB?

 

The Saints missed the playoffs multiple times with Drew Brees under Payton.  QB goes a long way, but it isn't everything.  Allen is extremely capable of playing clunkers, particularly when he feels like he has to do it all.

[GoBills808]

19 minutes ago, Avisan said:

You think the 2-12 Raiders would be 11-3 with Allen at QB?

 

The Saints missed the playoffs multiple times with Drew Brees under Payton.  QB goes a long way, but it isn't everything.  Allen is extremely capable of playing clunkers, particularly when he feels like he has to do it all.

😂😂You and the rest were probably saying 'other guys have won before too!' during prime Tiger run

 

Just enjoy it ffs

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

You know nothing about football if you actually think ANY team is entirely one player. 
 

It’s just a really bad take.

 

He’s playing QB better than anyone in the history of the NFL (imo)- just say THAT-  there’s no reason to bash literally everyone else on the team to get illuminate how great he is.  
 

have fun though-  this has been entertaining.
 

I’m not bashing anyone. I don’t think @MJS even took it as bashing.

 

I’m having fun talking about how great Josh Allen is playing. You’re having fun talking about me. We are not the same lmao

6 hours ago, MJS said:

You can't quantify something with speculation, like when you said replacing Allen with Goff would turn the Bills into a 5 win team. There is just no way to quantify that. It is 100% guess work.

 

But if the question is: Who would I rather have, Goff or Allen? I would choose Allen. There are plenty of actual metrics, over their careers, to make an easy case for Allen over Goff, and just about every other starting QB in the NFL, perhaps including Mahomes, especially lately.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that the bolded is not longer a perhaps to me. Allen is playing head and shoulders above everyone.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

But it doesn't prove that the Bills are entirely Josh Allen any more than it proves that the Packers are entirely Jordan Love or the Bengals are entirely Joe Burrow or whatever other example you want to give

I think the W/L delta between Josh Allen and not Josh Allen is far greater than the delta between Jordan Love and not Jordan Love. Isn’t Malik Willis undefeated as a starter this year for the Pack? The same Malik Willis that couldn’t complete a pass in Tennessee?

 

Probably the WORST example you could think of.

 

Burrow is a good example of a QB who needs to do everything and has failed. The Bengals are a playoff team with Josh right now imo. And I think very highly of Burrow. 

[HappyDays]

58 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he would be playing like this w the Raiders. And they'd be 11-3 or thereabouts w Allen Bowers and Jakobi Meyers

 

Davante Adams would still be there too. Having an elite QB creates a snowball effect on the rest of the organization from top to bottom. You attract talent, you attract good coaches, you stop having to spend picks on QB, there's no wasting a bunch of training camp reps on the QB competition. It's impossible to quantify how much of a positive impact several years of established elite QB play has on any given franchise.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Davante Adams would still be there too. Having an elite QB creates a snowball effect on the rest of the organization from top to bottom. You attract talent, you attract good coaches, you stop having to spend picks on QB, there's no wasting a bunch of training camp reps on the QB competition. It's impossible to quantify how much of a positive impact several years of established elite QB play has on any given franchise.

Yeah

 

Like look I watch a lot of NFL. I'm a fan of pro football. I've never seen the combination of a guy making the rest of the league look JV in comparison AND succeeding out of structure at anything close to the rate at which Allen does. I feel like I've been saying this for years now and even when it's plainly obvious people still have trouble understanding what they're seeing😂😂

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he would be playing like this w the Raiders. And they'd be 11-3 or thereabouts w Allen Bowers and Jakobi Meyers

I’ll also go as far as to the say the Bills maybe are a 3-4 win team with the Raiders QB situation. Lol

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he would be playing like this w the Raiders. And they'd be 11-3 or thereabouts w Allen Bowers and Jakobi Meyers

Way to go out on a limb and make a prediction that can never be proven wrong.  I’m not surprised you would say that.  That’s your MO nowadays.  Everyone sucks except for Josh. 

[Mat68]

In a dome and saw a very exploitable match up.  Game was never as close as the final score.  Without the onside kick Buffalo wins by double digits.  That saved Detroit 6 mins or more of game clock.  Next 3 games are going to be more grimy.  In the cold and weather.  

[NewEra]

30 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I’m not bashing anyone. I don’t think @MJS even took it as bashing.

 

I’m having fun talking about how great Josh Allen is playing. You’re having fun talking about me. We are not the same lmao

I guess what I’m trying to say is that the bolded is not longer a perhaps to me. Allen is playing head and shoulders above everyone.

No, you’re saying that Josh Allen is the entire team. That IS bashing others.  If you don’t understand that, than I don’t know what to say.  
 

meanwhile, we have @GoBills808 saying that the raiders would be 11-3 with Josh Allen.  Meaning that the raiders team other than 17 is equal to the bills team, coaches included.  
 

those are bashes. 
 

It’s possible to put one on a pedestal without putting others down.  Saying he’s the entire team IS putting others down

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Way to go out on a limb and make a prediction that can never be proven wrong.  I’m not surprised you would say that.  That’s your MO nowadays.  Everyone sucks except for Josh. 

Try following the conversation for a change lol

 

YOU were the one who floated the idea he wouldn't have the raiders at 11-3. I disagreed...and the best you can come back w is 'that can't be proven wrong'😂😂😂

 

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