It's still entirely Josh Allen

[billsfan89]

Josh Allen on offense has an amazing complement of weapons and one of the top offensive lines in football. Defensively the team has had some bad games but they have also been more than competent in most games. Josh Allen has the tools he needs on offense. The defense will need to play better but I also think that this game the defense was not as bad as the final score made them out to be. The Lions scored a TD with 12 seconds left in the game. The Bills were constantly protecting 2-3 score leads. The defense allowed the Bills to build up huge leads by starting the game with back to back defensive stops and ending the first half forcing a long field goal. The Bills defense also started the second half with a stop and a turnover. So while the let up a lot of points to end the game they made some plays when they were needed. 

[JP51]

I need to revise a bit here to the Josh Allen led offense lots of great plays but the entire offense Ty Johnsons drop in the bucket catch, Shakir savy getting first downs Knox circus catch to get the first down down field o line protection cooks breaking one  total team offensive effort and of course 17 was once again super human. The defense was atrocious and needs to improve. Quick

Edited December 16 by JP51

[oldmanfan]

Just now, FireChans said:

They do, yeah.

 

Do you think other NFL games are boring on offense, for the most part?

You’re nuts at this point.

 

And offense in other games depends on the game, the players, the matchups, and a myriad of other variables.  

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Goff made some amazing throws and escapes/scrambles to keep their team in it today.  The Lions' running game was nonfunctional and the whole offense had to be generated by Goff.  He's a talented and experienced QB that had helmed a very good offense, and this year league-leading offense, for several consecutive seasons.

 

Yep. This. They totally gave up even trying to run it after going 3 and out to start the third. Goff made play after play after play. He is perennially underrated IMO. 

 

He isn't Josh Allen. No question there. But swap them and the Bills are still a playoff team with Goff IMO. They are just not a team with a shot at a Superbowl.

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I thought Josh got bailed out on some off target throws in massive spots to be honest so this seems like one of the more bizarre games to say no one is good but josh 😂

 

he’s amazing but other guys are stepping up too.  Josh would be the first person to tell you it’s not all him 

This is a bad take imo

 

This is exactly the game to say it was all Allen. I don't think any other QB in the league wins this game for us tonight and that's not hyperbole

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You think I’m contradicting myself?

 

I think more assets devoted to Beane/McD building their defense is a waste of time. As noted by all their assets resulting in whatever the ***** it is we have been watching defensively the last 2 weeks and whatever playoff loss you wanna pick.

 

I would like more offensive assets so Josh doesn’t need to make 3 guys miss to throw to a JAG like Ty Johnson because he needs 10 seconds to get open. Or so Josh doesn’t have to run QB sweeps with 2 minutes left to get first downs.

 

Funny how you are so bad at winning an argument on topic, that you somehow lose two. Lol.

 

You contradict yourself all the time...you also try and play both sides a lot too when trying to avoid being wrong.  

 

But it is wild you are trying to replicate the Bengals and Dolphins, two teams with losing records because they invested everything into their offense and it cost them their defenses.  

 

Meanwhile, dynasties like the Pats and Cheifs won on both sides of the ball, and more importantly, in the trenches.  And ironic when the Pats had that big bad all time great offense was when they lost super bowls too.  But keep whining about needing score more points when we just put up over 90 in back to back weeks and still went 1-1.  

Edited December 16 by Alphadawg7

[Success]

This isn't the first few years of Allen being good.

 

There is a different standard now. This team has one of the best QB's in history - the expectations NOW are a title.

 

Look at the responses on this thread.  Like people are incredulous there is any criticism after we beat a great team - like it erases everything else from the game.

 

The bar needs to be higher.  Or we can just be happy getting big regular season wins, and divisional round extis.

 

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, The 9 Isles said:

So many injuries on defence again. This isn’t sustainable 

 

That's just it.  Some still don't get it, but they will.  

[Sojourner]

Always will be. 

[FireChans]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

You’re nuts at this point.

 

And offense in other games depends on the game, the players, the matchups, and a myriad of other variables.  

Your schtick is very old at this point.

 

We hear all the time on TBD about how other games are “boring.” Folks bemoan the bye week because Bills football is the best show on turf, literally. They get turned off by how many offenses struggle to sustain drives or make big plays.

 

The difference between those games and Bills games is because the Bills have Josh Allen.

 

not because we have McDermott

 

Not because we have a great defense.

 

Not because we have Daboll, Dorsey or Brady. 
 

It’s just Josh. 
 

Point blank, period. 

[Avisan]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. This. They totally gave up even trying to run it after going 3 and out to start the third. Goff made play after play after play. He is perennially underrated IMO. 

 

He isn't Josh Allen. No question there. But swap them and the Bills are still a playoff team with Goff IMO. They are just not a team with a shot at a Superbowl.

Fair take.  Very good team but not viewed as a contender.  Goff is firmly a Top 10 dude at this point in his career, and it's fascinating that he gets overlooked so much in these convos.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You contradict yourself all the time...you also try and play both sides a lot too when trying to avoid being wrong.  

 

But it is wild you are trying to replicate the Bengals and Dolphins, two teams with losing records because they invested everything into their offense and it cost them their defenses.  

 

Meanwhile, dynasties like the Pats and Cheifs won on both sides of the ball, and more importantly, in the trenches.  And ironic when the Pats had that big bad all time great offense was when they lost super bowls too.  But keep whining about needing score more points when we just put up over 90 in back to back weeks and still went 1-1.  

If you want to win with defense, you better hire Vrabel or peel Belichick away from UNC.

 

Also the Dolphins literally traded multiple picks for Brad Chubb, Jalen Ramsey and drafted an EDGE defender round 1. lol.

Edited December 16 by FireChans

[Franchiseneedsme]

Elam played good in my eyes. They picked on the middle of the field.

[oldmanfan]

Just now, FireChans said:

Your schtick is very old at this point.

 

We hear all the time on TBD about how other games are “boring.” Folks bemoan the bye week because Bills football is the best show on turf, literally. They get turned off by how many offenses struggle to sustain drives or make big plays.

 

The difference between those games and Bills games is because the Bills have Josh Allen.

 

not because we have McDermott

 

Not because we have a great defense.

 

Not because we have Daboll, Dorsey or Brady. 
 

It’s just Josh. 
 

Point blank, period. 

And you don’t think Bills fans recognize how great it is to have Josh?  As I said, you’re nuts.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Genuinely curious how many QBs you think would have won this game for us today? I'm biased and I know it but I really think Allen is the only one. There was just so little margin for error. We needed our QB to make zero big mistakes and only like 3 minor mistakes, while also making multiple otherworldly plays that went way above and beyond the play call/surrounding talent.

 

I think Allen is the only one too - certainly on 2024 form. Mahomes at his best, sure. That is different from saying it is entirely him. He is the main reason we won. He is the main reason we win most of the time. That is what being an elite NFL QB is. But there are at least 2 or 3 other guys tonight who played incredible games and an OC who called a brilliant game that I don't think we win without, even with Josh's brilliance. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Avisan said:

Fair take.  Very good team but not viewed as a contender.  Goff is firmly a Top 10 dude at this point in his career, and it's fascinating that he gets overlooked so much in these convos.

Goff is top 5 I’d say.  Josh and Mahomes, Burrow then Goff is up there.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Genuinely curious how many QBs you think would have won this game for us today? I'm biased and I know it but I really think Allen is the only one. There was just so little margin for error. We needed our QB to make zero big mistakes and only like 3 minor mistakes, while also making multiple otherworldly plays that went way above and beyond the play call/surrounding talent.

I don’t get this in the context of this thread though…for example, Josh did make a mistake overthrowing wide open Knox and he made a ridiculous play.  The big Ty Johnson play early was an overthrow too.  Guys making great plays gave him a built in margin for error so how do we turn around and say ‘it’s all Josh’ when the final whistle blows.  Frankly I’d be pissed reading that as one of these other players. 

nobody wants to take anything away from Josh he’s amazing but other guys are stepping up too.  An amazing qb surrounded by scrubs on the oline and at the skill positions is not carrying you single handedly to 30,40+ points every week. 

[FireChans]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

And you don’t think Bills fans recognize how great it is to have Josh?  As I said, you’re nuts.

I don’t think they put 2 and 2 together, no.

 

I think they love watching Josh. And they notice the stark difference watching anybody but Josh. But they don’t realize it’s almost entirely BECAUSE of Josh.

 

As evidenced by this thread trying to give Ty Johnson credit for his offensive performance. lol.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, Success said:

This isn't the first few years of Allen being good.

 

There is a different standard now. This team has one of the best QB's in history - the expectations NOW are a title.

 

Look at the responses on this thread.  Like people are incredulous there is any criticism after we beat a great team - like it erases everything else from the game.

 

The bar needs to be higher.  Or we can just be happy getting big regular season wins, and divisional round extis.

 

Honestly , what if the majority of this board was up in arms about the game and said it was completely unacceptable? Would it make a damn bit of difference ? Nope. We can bark at the moon all night, but I’d rather just savor the incredible Allen performance and the win. They’ve beaten the best two teams in the NFL by record. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, FireChans said:

I don’t think they put 2 and 2 together, no.

 

I think they love watching Josh. And they notice the stark difference watching anybody but Josh. But they don’t realize it’s almost entirely BECAUSE of Josh.

 

As evidenced by this thread trying to give Ty Johnson credit for his offensive performance. lol.

Whatever.  Football is the ultimate team game but you don’t think anyone but Josh has talent on this team.  Live in your bubble.