It's still entirely Josh Allen

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Biggest game of the year ostensibly 

 

And I think there were more drives extended by the kind of 1 of 1 type out of structure plays only Allen makes than usual

 

That's why you watch that game and say it's all on him. Because it pretty much is

 

Just a casual example of our elite blockers, elite protection and elite playcalling.

 

PSYCHE. Allen high steps a free rusher forcing a missed sack, beats the defense to the sideline to buy time, and throws a perfect missile into Coleman’s chest.

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Josh Allen’s sack% this year is 3.2%. What do you think his pressure rate is? Double that? Maybe triple it?

 

Per Joe Marino's substack - On the year we have a 30.6% pressure rate which is 17th in the league. So perfectly average. The pressure to sack percentage is only 9.6% which is #1 in the league. So yeah I agree, I don't think the pass protection is quite as good as most fans think. On the edges I think we've been excellent in run and pass blocking, but the interior has been more middling. Allen erases most of that all on his own.

 

Although Joe pointed out that the pressure rate has gotten better, falling from 42.1% in weeks 1-6 to 22.5% from weeks 7-13.

[GoBills808]

Just now, MPL said:

Cam Lewis and Kareem Jackson were our safeties for nearly the entire 4th quarter. We can't seriously be mad. 

Not mad

 

Just acknowledging the fact that if your QB isn't perfect the last 2 weeks and you're 0-2 despite 10 TDs and 900+ yards of offense...that's the definition of unsustainable 

 

We need more than just Allen. He can't just will us to a SB

[Success]

Why are fans so accepting of the fact that Allen has to be amazing for us to beat good teams - every time?

 

Because we got the W?

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't disagree with any of that. That is what an elite Quarterback does. But he wasn't the only guy out there who was exceptional today for the Bills, and I am not talking about Ty freaking Johnson. 

I feel like Ty Johnson getting wide open pretty consistently is kind of proof there are talented players for teams to worry about and he kind of gets lost in the shuffle.  

 

Defense is interesting there’s a good amount of talent but there’s also a few big holes..   I feel like this thread took a weird detour with a few people suggesting the team is a bunch of bums and Josh Allen but most people posting are on the same page with minor semantic differences 😂

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Per Joe Marino's substack - On the year we have a 30.6% pressure rate which is 17th in the league. So perfectly average. The pressure to sack percentage is only 9.6% which is #1 in the league. So yeah I agree, I don't think the pass protection is quite as good as most fans think. On the edges I think we've been excellent in run and pass blocking, but the interior has been more middling. Allen erases most of that all on his own.

 

Although Joe pointed out that the pressure rate has gotten better, falling from 42.1% in weeks 1-6 to 22.5% from weeks 7-13.

Ravens game probably accounts for a quarter of our pressures like it does for a quartet of our sacks so that’s not surprising. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Success said:

Why are fans so accepting of the fact that Allen has to be amazing for us to beat good teams - every time?

 

Because we got the W?

 

 

Another strawman. Because nobody has said that either.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Per Joe Marino's substack - On the year we have a 30.6% pressure rate which is 17th in the league. So perfectly average. The pressure to sack percentage is only 9.6% which is #1 in the league. So yeah I agree, I don't think the pass protection is quite as good as most fans think. On the edges I think we've been excellent in run and pass blocking, but the interior has been more middling. Allen erases most of that all on his own.

 

Although Joe pointed out that the pressure rate has gotten better, falling from 42.1% in weeks 1-6 to 22.5% from weeks 7-13.

 

Makes sense. Allen was harassed almost endlessly in the two game losing streak against the Ravens and Texans. Both those games would be entirely different if we played those teams again. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I feel like Ty Johnson getting wide open pretty consistently is kind of proof there are talented players for teams to worry about and he kind of gets lost in the shuffle.  

 

Defense is interesting there’s a good amount of talent but there’s also a few big holes..   I feel like this thread took a weird detour with a few people suggesting the team is a bunch of bums and Josh Allen but most people posting are on the same page with minor semantic differences 😂

He gets wide open because even All-Pros can’t cover JAGS for 10 seconds.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Per Joe Marino's substack - On the year we have a 30.6% pressure rate which is 17th in the league. So perfectly average. The pressure to sack percentage is only 9.6% which is #1 in the league. So yeah I agree, I don't think the pass protection is quite as good as most fans think. On the edges I think we've been excellent in run and pass blocking, but the interior has been more middling. Allen erases most of that all on his own.

 

Although Joe pointed out that the pressure rate has gotten better, falling from 42.1% in weeks 1-6 to 22.5% from weeks 7-13.

 

Yea the line has got better as the year has gone on so that isn't a shock. Particularly Torrence who was dreadful early (he was very clearly not in shape for week 1) but has rounded into form nicely. He isn't an elite guard or anything but we are getting decent play from him. He was a liability some of those first few games. 

[Success]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Another strawman. Because nobody has said that either.

 

Not in so many words.

 

We weren't that far away from Allen having the kind of game he had today, and somehow losing.  Just like last week.

 

I've been a defender of this coaching staff more often than not.  But they haven't built up this huge reservoir of good will.  The defense in particular has let this team down again & again & again in the playoffs. It's okay to notice that they have had 2 weeks in a row giving up 40+ points and being a weak point.

 

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What. Are. You. Talking. About.
 

“Win on both sides of the ball” is including defense, right?

 

that’s never gonna happen. Regardless of how much we invest on defense. We are never gonna win on both sides of the ball, because we are never gonna win on defense. Because we have invested tons into the defense and we haven’t WON ON DEFENSE. We haven’t WON ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. 
 

You keep agreeing with me. And then saying you disagree. 

The difference is you think with EVEN MORE INVESTMENT IN DEFENSE, it’s gonna happen. I think you’re wrong.

 

Literally said none of this...but ok.  

 

Guess KC and Pats never won on both sides of the ball right...lmao.  Good luck in your quest to become the Dolphins.

[FireChans]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Literally said none of this...but ok.  

 

Guess KC and Pats never won on both sides of the ball right...lmao.  Good luck in your quest to become the Dolphins.

Oh my god. 
 

What KC and the Pats did has nothing to do with what this team can or can’t do lol. This can’t be the depth of your understanding of the point. I refuse to believe you are this obtuse.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

Not in so many words.

 

We weren't that far away from Allen having the kind of game he had today, and somehow losing.  Just like last week.

 

I've been a defender of this coaching staff more often than not.  But they haven't built up this huge reservoir of good will.  The defense in particular has let this team down again & again & again in the playoffs. It's okay to notice that they have had 2 weeks in a row giving up 40+ points and being a weak point.

 

 

Nobody is failing to notice that. 

[Success]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Nobody is failing to notice that. 

 

I disagree. There is a ton of "we got the W - no complaining allowed" on this thread.

 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I actually thought the defense was pretty good today. Lions are just that good on offense. 
 

Last week was disappointing though.

it was still a 42 point week. Not the end of the world but not a celebration either. 
 

admittedly it was largely that we have super man at the most important position 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

I disagree. There is a ton of "we got the W - no complaining allowed" on this thread.

 

 

No there isn't. There are like 3 or 4 posts saying that. Then a ton of posts saying "entirely Josh" isn't an accurate reflection.

[Buffalo716]

I mean the bills were playing with two touchdown plus leads most of the day 

 

And the lions are a good football team at home and they were fighting back 

 

But Buffalo rolled with every punch and was in control from start to finish.. the final score is not indicative of how good we actually were 

 

They just refuse to quit which is also kudos to them.. but don't take away a performance on the road with little practice against a really good NFL team

[Ya Digg?]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I disagree. There is a ton of "we got the W - no complaining allowed" on this thread.

 

I do think this is one of those cases where context is incredibly important. Lions only had 14 midway through the 3rd quarter, then it seemed as though every single starter got injured. I think understanding that is incredibly important 

[Mikie2times]

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

 

Just a casual example of our elite blockers, elite protection and elite playcalling.

 

PSYCHE. Allen high steps a free rusher forcing a missed sack, beats the defense to the sideline to buy time, and throws a perfect missile into Coleman’s chest.

This play is symbolic of the entire discussion. Coleman makes a great play for us. You can give him credit. But the play doesn’t happen unless we have a unicorn QB. It was like that so many more times today and in the past. It’s really hard to understand what this offense would be with even a good “normal” qb. Like Goff as an example. Not very good would be my guess.