It's still entirely Josh Allen

[TFBillsfan]

Bills D has forced 5 punts in there last two games and have given up 86 points in those two games. Three Qb sacks against traditional pocket passing QB’s, zero interceptions and one fumble recovery. 
 

If they can’t consistently get to Maye with a dismal OL, it will be even more worrisome. 
 

Why don’t the Bills ever run some stunts?  Groot has been invisible the past two weeks. With the way McDermott rotates the DL, these guys shouldn’t be worn down. Even more worrisome during today’s game, Detroit was in 100% passing mode and our DL went silent. Detroit moved the ball over 70 yards in less than 2:30 minutes FOUR times in the 2nd half. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, TFBillsfan said:

Bills D has forced 5 punts in there last two games and have given up 86 points in those two games. Three Qb sacks against traditional pocket passing QB’s, zero interceptions and one fumble recovery. 
 

If they can’t consistently get to Maye with a dismal OL, it will be even more worrisome. 
 

Why don’t the Bills ever run some stunts?  Groot has been invisible the past two weeks. With the way McDermott rotates the DL, these guys shouldn’t be worn down. Even more worrisome during today’s game, Detroit was in 100% passing mode and our DL went silent. Detroit moved the ball over 70 yards in less than 2:30 minutes FOUR times in the 2nd half. 

 

They ran some stunts today. Particularly 4th Qrtr.

 

But they can't expect to win four playoff games playing the way they are on defense. No chance.

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

When you say “win with both sides of the ball” I assume both sides are “offense” and “defense” right?

 

Did you mean offense and special teams? I shouldn’t have assumed, sorry.

 

Wait...you are telling me you don't understand the difference between "win with defense" and "win with both sides of the ball"?  😂 You sure you want to put that on the internet?  lol

Edited December 16 by Alphadawg7

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Every time? Seriously? Of course it happens. But it isn't close to every time. The OL is playing legitimately well. Especially in pass pro.

That was worded poorly.

 

The OL is playing well. They don’t always allow a free rusher or get beat. However, almost every time there is a free rusher or the OL gets beat, Josh Allen escapes the sack.

 

Josh Allen’s sack% this year is 3.2%. What do you think his pressure rate is? Double that? Maybe triple it?

[Alphadawg7]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No. People are not incredulous that there is any criticism. That is a complete strawman. There is lots still to criticise. You can't give up the points the Bills have given up the past two weeks. You can't miss a chip shot field goal. You can't risk some of the clock stuff at the end. 

 

That is still different than "entirely Josh Allen." 

 

Josh is incredible. He is the best football player on the planet. We are only Superbowl contenders because we have Josh Allen. But other players made critical plays in the game tonight. 

 

This

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

You should legitimately check out Dawson Knox’s, Ty Johnson’s and Mack Hollins career pages. That’s EXACTLY what’s happening.

 

Sure Coleman has talent but is a rookie. Cook is a really good RB. OL is playing well but is also bailed out by Allen basically breaking at least 1 tackle in the backfield every time.

I mean those were today specific examples the Knox and Johnson ones where they made some incredible catches and people literally laughed at the suggestion they made game changing plays/were deserving of game balls lol.  If you were talking to Josh and did not mention how great some of those plays were by non Josh Allen players I don’t think he’d be particularly happy 

 

my season long examples would not include Knox obviously but there’s a good amount of talented players on both sides and there’s a few exploitable bad players on defense 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That was worded poorly.

 

The OL is playing well. They don’t always allow a free rusher or get beat. However, almost every time there is a free rusher or the OL gets beat, Josh Allen escapes the sack.

 

Josh Allen’s sack% this year is 3.2%. What do you think his pressure rate is? Double that? Maybe triple it?

 

Josh certainly helps the sack numbers. I don,'t think 13 sacks is all the oline. But tonight especially there were some excellent OLine displays. Spencer Brown was all worldly tonight.

Edited December 16 by GunnerBill

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Then we don't really disagree on anything except for semantics.

 

I will tip my cap to Brady not just for calling a great game (the awful 3rd and goal sequence excluded) but having a great gameplan to start. All day long we attacked the Lions injured LB corps and avoided their safeties at all costs. Committing to the run kept us in manageable 2nd/3rd downs on almost every series. If I'm going to credit one person other than Allen it would be him for sure.

 

 

It appeared to me that Brady has been building this game plan for a while.   Maybe all season.  This wasn't all drawn up on Monday/Tuesday.   It was his HC showcase game.   To that end I thought it's why he the didn't tush push at the goal line before the half.   He wanted a clever play for his tape.   He does some scary stupid things in some of the biggest moments.   The ridiculous call on 2nd and 9 after the 2 minute warning against KC in the divisional round.   The tush push with a minute left last week in LA.  And that goofy decision today.   Untimely, costly decisions in big moments.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Wait...you are telling me you don't understand the difference between the two statements?  😂 You sure you want to put that on the internet?  lol

What?

 

We are never gonna win on defense with this crew buddy. No matter how much we invest in defense. As evidenced by how much we have invested in defense and how often our D has failed. Up to and including this year. 
 

If Mike Vrabel is calling the shots and wants DL in rounds 1 and 2, I’m listening. If not, don’t bother. IMO.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Every time? Seriously? Of course it happens. But it isn't close to every time. The OL is playing legitimately well. Especially in pass pro.

 

EDIT: on the receiving weapons I don't really disagree. The Bills do not have top talent there and the receivers are not making a ton of amazing plays for Josh. Althought the Knox catch was one. 

This is really the first game I saw Josh kinda miss some throws and the receiver made it happen still that’s why I’m a little confused with this thread haha I’m more confident there are guys that will step up to help Josh out than I was when the game started 

 

the OL is objectively playing well too idk who can even argue that one 

[FireChans]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Josh certainly helps the sack numbers. I don,'t think 13 sacks is all the oline. But tonight especially there were some excellent OLine displays. Spencer Brown was all worldly tonight.

Yeah I don’t think the OL is playing bad. I just think Josh makes them look better. Like he makes everyone look better.

 

Like we all knew that Brady made his guys all look better.

But somehow this fact of life that Brady’s bums would always fail when they left NE and got overpaid has become lost NFL lore on TBD. 

Ty Johnson was legitimately close to out of the league. Today, he had basically 100 yards at half in the game of the week against the #1 seed in the NFC. Two guesses on why that is. 

[ColoradoBills]

Bills have NE at home next week.

 

If they put up 40, I will be worried.  

 

In the meantime....................

[Awwufelloff]

2 hours ago, The 9 Isles said:

So many injuries on defence again. This isn’t sustainable 

Detroit has way more injuries than we do, and to more important players. They have like 12 defensive players on IR...

[TFBillsfan]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They ran some stunts today. Particularly 4th Qrtr.

 

But they can't expect to win four playoff games playing the way they are on defense. No chance.

I swear almost every other NFL game I watch,  the OL will whiff on a block resulting in an easy sack or the DL straight up beats his man for an easy sack. I can’t recall the last time our DL did this. Two of the three sacks against DET were generated from blitzes. 
 

The DL is fully healthy but right now are a MAJOR concern. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What?

 

We are never gonna win on defense with this crew buddy. No matter how much we invest in defense. As evidenced by how much we have invested in defense and how often our D has failed. Up to and including this year. 
 

If Mike Vrabel is calling the shots and wants DL in rounds 1 and 2, I’m listening. If not, don’t bother. IMO.

 

Once again...no one...literally no one...said win with defense.  We have Josh Allen, we will always be an offensive powerhouse while he is healthy and here.  I quite literally stated you don't have to be great on D, but you better be able to get stops to close out games.  Many times Allen has left the filed with a lead late, even with 13 seconds left, and we still lose the game.  

 

But in typical fashion, you know what was said but you are trying to twist into something else to try and get over on someone.  It gets old dude

[GoBills808]

Biggest game of the year ostensibly 

 

And I think there were more drives extended by the kind of 1 of 1 type out of structure plays only Allen makes than usual

 

That's why you watch that game and say it's all on him. Because it pretty much is

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

PATHETIC THREAD 

Sure you can say you're a bit disappointed with defense last week, it was classic trap game scenario sandwiched between kc win and Detroit, with a crappy west coast trip. But Josh did not have to wear a cape. We turned Josh up to 80% hero ball right at the sweet spot.

 

Everybody else stepped up and made great plays, Brady had the boys prepared. What the heck did they see on film to make ty Johnson such a focal point coming into this game?!?!  Johnson is solid and pretty good with the opportunities he's presented, but today wasn't him getting a few opportunities and making the most of it. Something they spent time making him a focal point coming into the week that paid off bigly. Cap tip to all coaches involved with this

 

Defense made several stops in the first half though, and against the #1 offense, missing 3 starters in the secondary. Second half rolled around and we went into a prevent defense, helping to slow the game down a bit.

 

Campbell (smartly) sped it back up with onside to start the 4th quarter. At the time I thought it was a bad call, too early... but then it played out some and I thought about it more, watching it play out. It was brilliant.

 

They knew they couldn't get a stop, so speed up possessions, give yourself more time, and by putting us that close to redzone, forced us into 4 down territory, and 4 down territory inside a compressed field. Those 2 things increased their chance of getting a turnover and that was the only thing swinging this game back for them.

 

The offense was prepared. We were in prevent defense a whole half. Feels like we could've changed it up if we needed, but whatever formula they had they felt comfortable letting play out. Game felt very in control all day. Good defense doesn't have to be 10points and under. It can be doing whatever keeps the game plan together.

 

Had Detroit made a stop or forced a turnover, I think we could've changed up the defense to be more aggressive and handle it differently.... but Detroit is explosive, so slowing the game down, not accelerating total possessions,  played into our lead.

 

I'd like to see more pressure from our base defense, but I don't see 40pt games being our norm. I think they need to be above average for us to be a real legitimate threat. 

 

ID MUCH RATHER ROLL INTO PLAYOFFS WITH THE OFFENSE SMOLDERING AND DEFENSE LAGGING, THAN PREVIOUS YEARS OF THE OPPOSITE.  WERE SO MULTIDIMENSIONAL, I FEEL OUR OFFENSIVE FIREPOWER IS SUSTAINABLE. THEY CAN BAIL US OUT MORE THAN A DEFENSE CAN IN THE PLAYOFFS 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Yeah I don’t think the OL is playing bad. I just think Josh makes them look better. Like he makes everyone look better.

 

Like we all knew that Brady made his guys all look better.

But somehow this fact of life that Brady’s bums would always fail when they left NE and got overpaid has become lost NFL lore on TBD. 

Ty Johnson was legitimately close to out of the league. Today, he had basically 100 yards at half in the game of the week against the #1 seed in the NFC. Two guesses on why that is. 

 

I don't disagree with any of that. That is what an elite Quarterback does. But he wasn't the only guy out there who was exceptional today for the Bills, and I am not talking about Ty freaking Johnson. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Once again...no one...literally no one...said win with defense.  We have Josh Allen, we will always be an offensive powerhouse while he is healthy and here.  I quite literally stated you don't have to be great on D, but you better be able to get stops to close out games.  Many times Allen has left the filed with a lead late, even with 13 seconds left, and we still lose the game.  

 

But in typical fashion, you know what was said but you are trying to twist into something else to try and get over on someone.  It gets old dude

What. Are. You. Talking. About.
 

“Win on both sides of the ball” is including defense, right?

 

that’s never gonna happen. Regardless of how much we invest on defense. We are never gonna win on both sides of the ball, because we are never gonna win on defense. Because we have invested tons into the defense and we haven’t WON ON DEFENSE. We haven’t WON ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL. 
 

You keep agreeing with me. And then saying you disagree. 

The difference is you think with EVEN MORE INVESTMENT IN DEFENSE, it’s gonna happen. I think you’re wrong.

[MPL]

Cam Lewis and Kareem Jackson were our safeties for nearly the entire 4th quarter. We can't seriously be mad.