It's still entirely Josh Allen

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I don’t think they put 2 and 2 together, no.

 

I think they love watching Josh. And they notice the stark difference watching anybody but Josh. But they don’t realize it’s almost entirely BECAUSE of Josh.

 

As evidenced by this thread trying to give Ty Johnson credit for his offensive performance. lol.

This

 

Ty Johnson game ball😂😂😂

[FireChans]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Whatever.  Football is the ultimate team game but you don’t think anyone but Josh has talent on this team.  Live in your bubble.

Walked right into that one. 
 

Case closed!

[Success]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Honestly , what if the majority of this board was up in arms about the game and said it was completely unacceptable? Would it make a damn bit of difference ? Nope. We can bark at the moon all night, but I’d rather just savor the incredible Allen performance and the win. They’ve beaten the best two teams in the NFL by record. 

 

Nah, you're right of course. I'm getting defensive because some of the reactions on this thread have been so over the top. I didn't think this would be a controversial take, at all.

 

Of course I'm happy about the win. It's huge.  And other guys played great.  But there is TOO MUCH ON ALLEN, as there is week after week (imo).  I just watched him play the kind of game that should be a "rocking chair game" for him in the 4th.

 

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t get this in the context of this thread though…for example, Josh did make a mistake overthrowing wide open Knox and he made a ridiculous play.  The big Ty Johnson play early was an overthrow too.  Guys making great plays gave him a built in margin for error so how do we turn around and say ‘it’s all Josh’ when the final whistle blows.  Frankly I’d be pissed reading that as one of these other players. 

nobody wants to take anything away from Josh he’s amazing but other guys are stepping up too.  An amazing qb surrounded by scrubs on the oline and at the skill positions is not carrying you single handedly to 30,40+ points every week. 

 

I do get the argument that the Bills would have lost with anyone but Josh at QB today, though - and I would include 2024 Mahomes in that. That's not to take away from some of the great plays made by others but, without Josh, they may not have been put in a position to complete them.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, FireChans said:

If you want to win with defense, you better hire Vrabel or peel Belichick away from UNC.

 

Who said "win with defense"?  Literally no one has ever said that once

 

But you don't IGNORE defense or dismantle it because you put all your resources in the offense.  Unless you want to be like the Saints with Brees who struggled to consistently make the playoffs, the Bengals this year, the Dolphins, etc.  

 

We don't have to be the 85 Bears, but you better be able to get a stop.  How many times has Allen left the field late with a lead to see the defense give up the game?  Meanwhile our "savior" Cooper had 0 catches again today.  We have the highest scoring offense in the NFL over the past 5 seasons now, over taking KC.  Literally the most points in the league...yet people still complaining its not enough, we need to go offensively heavy again this offseason for the 4th season in a row while our defense is the biggest threat to sabotaging the best season of Allens career (and probable MVP season)

 

 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Success said:

This isn't the first few years of Allen being good.

 

There is a different standard now. This team has one of the best QB's in history - the expectations NOW are a title.

 

Look at the responses on this thread.  Like people are incredulous there is any criticism after we beat a great team - like it erases everything else from the game.

 

The bar needs to be higher.  Or we can just be happy getting big regular season wins, and divisional round extis.

 

 

No. People are not incredulous that there is any criticism. That is a complete strawman. There is lots still to criticise. You can't give up the points the Bills have given up the past two weeks. You can't miss a chip shot field goal. You can't risk some of the clock stuff at the end. 

 

That is still different than "entirely Josh Allen." 

 

Josh is incredible. He is the best football player on the planet. We are only Superbowl contenders because we have Josh Allen. But other players made critical plays in the game tonight. 

[Dr.Sack]

Joe Brady and Josh Allen are playing elite ball. 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Success said:

 

Nah, you're right of course. I'm getting defensive because some of the reactions on this thread have been so over the top. I didn't think this would be a controversial take, at all.

 

Of course I'm happy about the win. It's huge.  And other guys played great.  But there is TOO MUCH ON ALLEN, as there is week after week (imo).  I just watched him play the kind of game that should be a "rocking chair game" for him in the 4th.

 

I definitely wanted the D to hold them to somewhere in the 20’s. I thought it was possible deep into the 3rd quarter. It was a great win , but everything is not hunky dory . There is work to be done because it gets tougher in the playoffs. I’d like to not have to rely on Allen heroics all the time. They have 3 weeks to figure stuff out as best they can. I thought they bounced back in a big way for about 3 quarters though 

[FireChans]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

No. People are not incredulous that there is any criticism. That is a complete strawman. There is lots still to criticise. You can't give up the points the Bills have given up the past two weeks. You can't miss a chip shot field goal. You can't risk some of the clock stuff at the end. 

 

That is still different than "entirely Josh Allen." 

 

Josh is incredible. He is the best football player on the planet. We are only Superbowl contenders because we have Josh Allen. But other players made critical plays in the game tonight. 

The water boys did their jobs tonight too. They made sure everyone was good and hydrated. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

This

 

Ty Johnson game ball😂😂😂

That early ty catch wasn’t a great play on a not super well thrown ball?  Or the Knox catch? Idk man guys made some ridiculous plays tonight.  Cook fights through a tackle by the hair to rip off a huge td run.  The oline has been great. 
 

I feel like Josh would be as mad as anyone in this thread or more reading y’all suggesting nobody is helping him do anything lol 

 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Who said "win with defense"?  Literally no one has ever said that once

 

But you don't IGNORE defense or dismantle it because you put all your resources in the offense.  Unless you want to be like the Saints with Brees who struggled to consistently make the playoffs, the Bengals this year, the Dolphins, etc.  

 

We don't have to be the 85 Bears, but you better be able to get a stop.  How many times has Allen left the field late with a lead to see the defense give up the game?  Meanwhile our "savior" Cooper had 0 catches again today.  We have the highest scoring offense in the NFL over the past 5 seasons now, over taking KC.  Literally the most points in the league...yet people still complaining its not enough, we need to go offensively heavy again this offseason for the 4th season in a row while our defense is the biggest threat to sabotaging the best season of Allens career (and probable MVP season)

 

 

When you say “win with both sides of the ball” I assume both sides are “offense” and “defense” right?

 

Did you mean offense and special teams? I shouldn’t have assumed, sorry.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

I do get the argument that the Bills would have lost with anyone but Josh at QB today, though - and I would include 2024 Mahomes in that. That's not to take away from some of the great plays made by others but, without Josh, they may not have been put in a position to complete them.

I feel like the thread title was kind of bait haha  then someone said none of the other bills are good players.  But yea if he had an off night the team is probably in trouble

Edited December 16 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Allen is the only one too - certainly on 2024 form. Mahomes at his best, sure. That is different from saying it is entirely him. He is the main reason we won. He is the main reason we win most of the time. That is what being an elite NFL QB is. But there are at least 2 or 3 other guys tonight who played incredible games and an OC who called a brilliant game that I don't think we win without, even with Josh's brilliance. 

 

Then we don't really disagree on anything except for semantics.

 

I will tip my cap to Brady not just for calling a great game (the awful 3rd and goal sequence excluded) but having a great gameplan to start. All day long we attacked the Lions injured LB corps and avoided their safeties at all costs. Committing to the run kept us in manageable 2nd/3rd downs on almost every series. If I'm going to credit one person other than Allen it would be him for sure.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That early ty catch wasn’t a great play on a not super well thrown ball?  Or the Knox catch? Idk man guys made some ridiculous plays tonight.  Cook fights through a tackle by the hair to rip off a huge td run.  The oline has been great. 
 

I feel like Josh would be as mad as anyone in this thread or more reading y’all suggesting nobody is helping him do anything lol 

 

Guys making tough catches happen every game every week 

 

What Allen does nobody can do

[L Ron Burgundy]

29 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I will state it again:  Josh is phenomenal.  But that doesn’t mean some of the great plays made by teammates should somehow be downgraded.

Sure.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Then we don't really disagree on anything except for semantics.

 

I will tip my cap to Brady not just for calling a great game (the awful 3rd and goal sequence excluded) but having a great gameplan to start. All day long we attacked the Lions injured LB corps and avoided their safeties at all costs. Committing to the run kept us in manageable 2nd/3rd downs on almost every series. If I'm going to credit one person other than Allen it would be him for sure.

The Bills ran a gameplan not dissimilar to the one the Ravens ran v us. Came out using Ty Johnson in the Justice Hill role. Was very good.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

This is a bad take imo

 

This is exactly the game to say it was all Allen. I don't think any other QB in the league wins this game for us tonight and that's not hyperbole

What is a bad take?  My point was guys made great plays and have been making great plays consistently and it feels weird to not acknowledge it.  ‘It’s all Josh’ in the thread title feels like he’s elevating a bunch of scrubs and a few of the comments pushed that narrative 

other guys on the team could be playing well AND you need a good game from Josh to win still lol those can both be true simultaneously.  what irked me was people implying it’s basically all JAGs and Josh 

Edited December 16 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

‘It’s all Josh’ in the thread title feels like he’s elevating a bunch of scrubs

You should legitimately check out Dawson Knox’s, Ty Johnson’s and Mack Hollins career pages. That’s EXACTLY what’s happening.

 

Sure Coleman has talent but is a rookie. Cook is a really good RB. OL is playing well but is also bailed out by Allen basically breaking at least 1 tackle in the backfield every time.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

What is a bad take?  My point was guys made great plays and have been making great plays consistently and it feels weird to not acknowledge it.  ‘It’s all Josh’ in the thread title feels like he’s elevating a bunch of scrubs 

other guys on the team could be playing well AND you need a good game from Josh to win still lol those can both be true simultaneously.  what irked me was people implying it’s basically all JAGs and Josh 

That's exactly what it is lol

 

We dont have a single receiver in the top 25 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, FireChans said:

OL is playing well but is also bailed out by Allen basically breaking at least 1 tackle in the backfield every time.

 

Every time? Seriously? Of course it happens. But it isn't close to every time. The OL is playing legitimately well. Especially in pass pro.

 

EDIT: on the receiving weapons I don't really disagree. The Bills do not have top talent there and the receivers are not making a ton of amazing plays for Josh. Althought the Knox catch was one. 

Edited December 16 by GunnerBill