It's still entirely Josh Allen

[Billz4ever]

21 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Including Ty Johnson? James Cook? Shakir? Knox? Kincaid? The O Line (especially Brown)? Brady, for the most part, in the booth? Josh is phenomenal. There’s no need to slate other coaches/players who had great games to promote him further.

Knox and Johnson made catches that Josh put too much on.  Especially the Knox catch.  I thought for sure it was going to go incomplete.  Maybe the best catch of his career IMO.

Edited December 16 by Billz4ever

[Wraith]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I'll definitely take it, I'm glad we got the win.

 

But this coaching staff is not off the hook w/ that. They need to match Allen's excellence - not rely on it.

 

I beg you to rewatch some of the angles Cam Lewis took in center field as the deep safety. I love him in his normal role but the defensive coaches pulled off a damn miracle through almost three quarters with him, Bishop, and Elam back there against that team. You're whining about a prevent defense that could've been better. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Um, every pass to Ty Johnson except the rub route?

 

Also the 60 yard bomb running out of bounds to Coleman?

 

Scrambling out of pressure for key first downs or for 20+ yards at the end?

 

What are we talking about?

 

I’m not arguing that Brady didn’t call a great game. He did. Maybe his best game of the year. Kudos for that.

 

I’m arguing that independent of the QB, this offense would not have put up anywhere close to the numbers they did.

 

Ben Johnson called a fine game too. It wasn’t enough. 
 

Jared Goff is physically incapable of making half the plays Josh made this game. Full stop. 

If you switch QB’s, tonight’s result is 64-24. Full stop.

You didn’t even accept the bet til they punted lmao.

No class then.  Figured.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Um, every pass to Ty Johnson except the rub route?

 

Also the 60 yard bomb running out of bounds to Coleman?

 

Scrambling out of pressure for key first downs or for 20+ yards at the end?

 

What are we talking about?

 

I’m not arguing that Brady didn’t call a great game. He did. Maybe his best game of the year. Kudos for that.

 

I’m arguing that independent of the QB, this offense would not have put up anywhere close to the numbers they did.

 

Ben Johnson called a fine game too. It wasn’t enough. 
 

Jared Goff is physically incapable of making half the plays Josh made this game. Full stop. 

If you switch QB’s, tonight’s result is 64-24. Full stop.

You didn’t even accept the bet til they punted lmao.

 

The Bills would have lost if you swap the QBs. I don't think they lose by 40 points. Two scores? Sure. Three? Maybe. 

[Chaos]

If you keep Josh performance today as a constant, you could have taken the starting offense from any other NFL team, and subbed those guys in four our guys today, and got pretty much the same result.  Keep everyone else as a constant and substitute in any other QB, its not clear you get close to today's result.   Its not all Josh in the sense there are 10 other players on offense.  But in the sense the outcome is far more dependent on Josh than the rest of the offense combined, it is "all Josh" in that sense. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 minutes ago, Success said:

 

This game was all Allen. I don't see how anyone could dispute that.

 

That dude shouldn't have to be on the sideline wondering about an onside kick after a game like that.  How can you POSSIBLY argue that the coaches were on his level, or that anyone was?

 

Total denial in this fanbase.

 

I doubt Josh was even worried…I think you have some issue with probabilities.  It was essentially an onside kick recovery and a 13 seconds chiefs situation back to back lol field position was better than 13 seconds but needed 7 not 3 and one less timeout 

 

I also think your point no bills player is playing well but josh is pure nonsense but I can’t even get past how you’re trying to make it sound like this was a 50/50 loss in that situation or something like that 😂

Edited December 16 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Success]

I mean, if not for that onside kick - it's kind of probable we lose that game.

 

Enough excuse-making.

 

[FireChans]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

The Bills would have lost if you swap the QBs. I don't think they lose by 40 points. Two scores? Sure. Three? Maybe. 

That’s about as close to “it’s all Josh Allen” as you can get in a football game unless he truly is only throwing passes to himself like Mariota.

 

He is a one man army. Ty Johnson is a JAG. A nice JAG who had 100 yards at half because Josh Allen made those plays for him. Plays that Goff needs a talent like Gibbs in order to make.

 

It’s become mundane. But throwing 60 yards in the air after scrambling out of pressure isn’t a mundane play in the NFL at QB. It’s literally just Josh doing stuff only he can do this season.

[JohnNord]

50 minutes ago, Success said:

Why, oh why - do we need him to put on the cape every single game?

 

C'mon, coaches. Step UP.

 

It’s not like Buffalo was playing the top offense in the NFL or anything…

[Trogdor]

6 minutes ago, Wraith said:

I beg you to rewatch some of the angles Cam Lewis took in center field as the deep safety. I love him in his normal role but the defensive coaches pulled off a damn miracle through almost three quarters with him, Bishop, and Elam back there against that team. You're whining about a prevent defense that could've been better. 

I came here looking for exactly this lol, he should never ever get a shot at safety again. He cost them big. 

[Slack_in_MA]

What a stupid thread, especially after a win against a really good team. Some people have too much time on their hands. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

That’s about as close to “it’s all Josh Allen” as you can get in a football game unless he truly is only throwing passes to himself like Mariota.

 

He is a one man army. Ty Johnson is a JAG. A nice JAG who had 100 yards at half because Josh Allen made those plays for him. Plays that Goff needs a talent like Gibbs in order to make.

 

It’s become mundane. But throwing 60 yards in the air after scrambling out of pressure isn’t a mundane play in the NFL at QB. It’s literally just Josh doing stuff only he can do this season.

Because Josh is great.  And Brady called a great play.  And Johnson ran it and made a great catch.  What is it so damn difficult to recognize that?  Josh is a phenomenal QB having a phenomenal year - does that mean the contributions of others need to be ignored or denigrated? 

[julian]

35 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

Ridiculous. Hollins returned the onside to set up a huge TD. Benford caused a fumble for a huge TO. Offensive line was great. Cook has a huge run. Receivers made some huge catches. Knox and Johnson both made some huge grabs. Allen would happily tell you this game was not all Allen. 

Allen would never take credit for anything, not sure his word is the best metric for truth on his play or that if his teammates.

[FireChans]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Because Josh is great.  And Brady called a great play.  And Johnson ran it and made a great catch.  What is it so damn difficult to recognize that?  Josh is a phenomenal QB having a phenomenal year - does that mean the contributions of others need to be ignored or denigrated? 

So basically what I’m saying is that Jamyr Gibbs catching well-designed HB screen, making 2 guys miss and getting 12 yards  and Josh scrambling out of pressure, making 2 defenders miss tackles/sacks and giving Johnson 8+ seconds to get open to catch a ball for 12 yards imo are graded differently based on player contribution to the play.

 

Do you understand that? Or do you think those plays are equal between OC, QB and RB?

[Boatdrinks]

Detroit is the highest scoring team in the NFL fwiw .. certainly would have liked to see the Bills hold them in the 20’s. I’m not going to complain too much. The Bills rely on the elite play of Josh Allen to win games- and will do so in the playoffs. Who knew ? 

[Success]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Detroit is the highest scoring team in the NFL fwiw .. certainly would have liked to see the Bills hold them in the 20’s. I’m not going to complain too much. The Bills rely on the elite play of Josh Allen to win games- and will do so in the playoffs. Who knew ? 

 

Why is that acceptable?

 

Every other great QB - there are games where they're not great, and win.  It doesn't happen here.

 

[dgrochester55]

Despite the last two weeks, this team is still more balanced than past ones, just for our running backs alone. The defense is a concern for when the playoffs come around, but for today, they did just enough to win against an elite offense despite a depleted secondary.

 

The only thing that I care about in the next three weeks is staying healthy. The playoffs will be when it really matters.

Edited December 16 by dgrochester55

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

So basically what I’m saying is that Jamyr Gibbs catching well-designed HB screen, making 2 guys miss and getting 12 yards  and Josh scrambling out of pressure, making 2 defenders miss tackles/sacks and giving Johnson 8+ seconds to get open to catch a ball for 12 yards imo are graded differently based on player contribution to the play.

 

Do you understand that? Or do you think those plays are equal between OC, QB and RB?

You are making a bizarre false comparison.

[HappyDays]

36 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Ed made a lot of plays, Johnson, Cook,Coleman, Brady called a good game. But at the end of the day, only Allen is getting us 7 points on the first drive and the drive before half. It’s much more than just that. So sure, none of it happens without him. Not sure why that would offend anybody. 

 

Yeah I hope people realize nobody thinks that Allen is literally the singular reason that we won this game. The point is that without Allen performing at an unbelievable level it would have been a sure loss. I'll go further and say any other QB in the league would have lost that game today. So yes give the RBs and the OL and all that their due, but there are plenty of RBs/OL/etc. that could have won this game. There is only one QB. Luckily he's ours.

[FireChans]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

You are making a bizarre false comparison.

Explain