12/15/24 Week 15 Bills @ Lions Game Post Game Thread

[pennstate10]

3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Yea that 35 yard pass to Shakir in the End Zone early that hit him in the face mask because his arm was being held (no freaking call) was amazing.

 

 

That play was either a drop by Shakir or DPI.  Those are your two choices.  given that Shakir has one drop all season, I'm going with DPI.

 

Just curious, anyone with access to PFF advanced stats, how is that target ruled?  A PBU?  A drop? Or a SBPIBRFIU (Shouldve Been PI But Ref....)?

[HomeTeam]

22 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:

The Bills O-line has become the most underrated part of the team in '24 (mostly among our fans). Not only the starters but they have good depth players there too. They're playing consistently well in both phases considering this is the NFL and there will always be SOME struggle. I watch the league (not just the Bills) more than a healthy amount, and they look like a top 2 or 3 line, and different than the ones from past years that was more a "made to look better than they are" line by QB1MVP (who is every bit of the best player in football). Lots of clean pockets, good push at the point of attack and able to open and sustain holes for the run-game in all but a couple outings. It's not cool to talk about the O-line any more, but they sure do matter every bit as much as they ever have. They allow the Bills to take a physical approach when needed, and they are talented enough to play well in a spread/ shootout situation just the same. These guys are crushing it out there.

Very good point. Well said, they have been instrumental. 

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, Governor said:

I also like the first throw to Ty Johnson. It shows that he’s been working on his touch, which was one of his 2 remaining weaknesses (deep ball.)

 

This.

 

With so much arm strength Allen's biggest challenge was always touch, and ball placement hitting receivers in stride on those shorter screens, wheels, slants, and drag routes.

 

Certainly has come a long way, there have been so many well placed balls that allow all that RAC we have piled up.

 

 

 

[RunTheBall]

I’ve been critical of Josh’s deep ball for the past year. Something has changed in the last few games and he’s dropping dimes left and right. It’s obvious he’s putting a little more arc on the ball which has helped his accuracy, even on short and intermediate throws. Josh Allen with an accurate deep ball is an unstoppable machine. His touch passes over the shoulder to TE’s and RB’s, his deep sideline shot to Keon, pure poetry. Josh is just entering his prime now that his head has caught up with the howitzer attached to his shoulder and his legs. Enjoy every Sunday for as long as it lasts because you’ll likely never see this in Buffalo again.

[SCBills]

Going back through this game and if it was close, we would’ve been LIGHTING UP the refs…

 

Its almost as if they were trying to keep it close. 

[Ralonzo]

7 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Straight-line speed and size - Herbert matches Allen - the difference is Allen is so much more coordinated. The jukes, the acceleration, he makes definitive decisions to just go. 

 

Herbert plays the position like a kid with expensive coaching since peewee to play the position.

 

Allen plays the position like a kid who played the game just to compete - whatever the game.

 

It's the difference between Don Johnson and Kevin Costner's characters in "Tin Cup"

[Ralonzo]

4 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Does anybody have a replay of that throw he made to Ty Johnson in traffic coming out of halftime?

It might have been right in the first set of downs.

I don't know if it was me or if that was really as freaking nuts as I thought.

 

It was pretty nuts. Tight side-to-side window, but even more nuts to me was, that it was a second level throw. And the best play on it might have been made by Mack Hollins because it zipped right over his head, but somehow he knew the pass was intended for the next level beyond him and he deliberately kept his arms down and let it by when I think he could have reached up for it and maybe disastrously tipped it in the air, and was almost celebrating before it was caught like Allen did on the theft-pass (stolen by the refs).

[starrymessenger]

6 hours ago, Malazan said:

Wow, just saw that Montgomery is out for the season now too for the Lions. They are wrecked.

Done like dinner.

[starrymessenger]

On 12/15/2024 at 5:06 PM, Aussie Joe said:

Lions lost this one through a combination of the slow start going down 14-0 early, and the first onside kick with 12 mins remaining which was a brain explosion from Campbell…

 

Bills could play from in front and the Lions had to chase all game  and get away from their run game …Lions still took it down to the wire ..

I think Campbell's decision to onside kick was a sound one. What is the reasonably to be expected outcome of that play? It's that the onside kick will fail (having a 7% success rate statistically) and that the Bills take possession around the Lions 45 yard line (as was the result following the second onside kick attempt). If they just kickoff, the Bills take possession on their own 30. That's a 25 yards difference. How long do you think it would take Josh Allen and that O to make up 25 yards? Campbell is no fool. To the contrary he knew by then exactly what he was up against and what his D was capable of in the circumstances. Retaining or obtaining possession by any means was crucial to his chances of succeeding imo. I think he understood that his chances were in any event slight.

[njbuff]

That turf in that building has DESTROYED what was once the best team in football.

 

Moving forward, what can they do to fix it?

 

The Lions could have a hard time finding UFA’s to play on that turf.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

6 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

I think Campbell's decision to onside kick was a sound one. What is the reasonably to be expected outcome of that play? It's that the onside kick will fail (having a 7% success rate statistically) and that the Bills take possession around the Lions 45 yard line (as was the result following the second onside kick attempt). If they just kickoff, the Bills take possession on their own 30. That's a 25 yards difference. How long do you think it would take Josh Allen and that O to make up 25 yards? Campbell is no fool. To the contrary he knew by then exactly what he was up against and what his D was capable of in the circumstances. Retaining or obtaining possession by any means was crucial to his chances of succeeding imo. I think he understood that his chances were in any event slight.

I completely agree, I read that there is no "math" to explain it, and all the tables don't account for Josh. When Josh is on fire you what you must to keep the ball out of his hands

[mannc]

6 hours ago, starrymessenger said:

I think Campbell's decision to onside kick was a sound one. What is the reasonably to be expected outcome of that play? It's that the onside kick will fail (having a 7% success rate statistically) and that the Bills take possession around the Lions 45 yard line (as was the result following the second onside kick attempt). If they just kickoff, the Bills take possession on their own 30. That's a 25 yards difference. How long do you think it would take Josh Allen and that O to make up 25 yards? Campbell is no fool. To the contrary he knew by then exactly what he was up against and what his D was capable of in the circumstances. Retaining or obtaining possession by any means was crucial to his chances of succeeding imo. I think he understood that his chances were in any event slight.

I agree with all of this, but there’s another factor, as well, that supports Campbell’s decision…the worst possible outcome for Detroit was the Bills getting possession on their own 30 and chewing up 6 minutes on a long drive, regardless whether they scored a TD.  In this situation (the onside kick) the Bills only ran off one offensive play. And the Bills’ D was pretty gassed at that point and needed a rest.

Edited Tuesday at 12:29 PM by mannc

[starrymessenger]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

I agree with all of this, but there’s another factor, as well, that supports Campbell’s decision…the worst possible outcome for Detroit was the Bills getting possession on their own 30 and chewing up 6 minutes on a long drive, regardless whether they scored a TD.  In this situation (the onside kick) the Bills only ran off one offensive play. And the Bills’ D was pretty gassed at that point and needed a rest.

Agree. I think Campbell understood that he was probably looking at a four, maybe five minute Bills drive that would result in more points, likely a TD. Lions were pretty much in desperation mode from the get go.

[WideNine]

On 12/16/2024 at 10:52 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I love the mic'ed up clip from the 2020 Chargers game after Bosa hip-dropped Josh, and Dawkins and the OL came to give Bosa some business, and he's like

"He's f$%&king huge! Wtf do you guys want me to do?! Let him run me over? There's no way to tackle him!!"

 

Regardless I remember that play and that hip-drop was nasty and if it tore up Allen's knee it could have really impacted his career.

 

For all the times I want to shout "just let them play the game" I never like to see that move, crack blocks, or that alligator roll when they have a QB's legs.

 

Does anyone have a link to that mic'd up clip?

 

 

 

 

[YattaOkasan]

56 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

Regardless I remember that play and that hip-drop was nasty and if it tore up Allen's knee it could have really impacted his career.

 

For all the times I want to shout "just let them play the game" I never like to see that move, crack blocks, or that alligator roll when they have a QB's legs.

 

Does anyone have a link to that mic'd up clip?

 

 

 

 

Google “Joey Bosa Mic’d Up Bills” (it auto filled the second half).  Not sure if this is it or not  but we dont play them a ton (3x by Josh iirc) so gonna assume its this one and not from last year  

 

[DrDawkinstein]

8 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

Regardless I remember that play and that hip-drop was nasty and if it tore up Allen's knee it could have really impacted his career.

 

For all the times I want to shout "just let them play the game" I never like to see that move, crack blocks, or that alligator roll when they have a QB's legs.

 

Does anyone have a link to that mic'd up clip?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I had to find it so I got close enough with the quote. The Josh thing starts at about 1:45.

[Charles Romes]

It’s amazing how the national media is now giving Detroit a free pass due to injuries.  When we lost in the playoffs last year with half our D out, it was and remains only because the chiefs showed championship mettle, the chiefs came through in the clutch on the road when it mattered the most, and because mahomes is the goat.