Portal Changes Needed?

[CaseyatBat]

you can't cap NIL, that's a dumb suggestion, but yes, the portal and portal window is something you can make changes to. 

 

Limits on the number of times you can transfer and the window opens after the academic year

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, CaseyatBat said:

you can't cap NIL, that's a dumb suggestion, but yes, the portal and portal window is something you can make changes to. 

 

Limits on the number of times you can transfer and the window opens after the academic year

 

Well, I think you can cap it. It would just take some changes and legal contracts. If you can put it in writing and if all parties agree, could probably have a cap of some sort. Or say you want to play NCAA sports, included in your scholarship contract is an clause that you do agree to the Big10, SEC, Big XII "NIL cap" or however you word it. As of now, the NIL is different based on the State your college is in. "Individuals can engage in NIL activities that are consistent with the law of the state where the school is located." If the states want things to change and it's done via legislation... it'll be hard for any court to stop it. 

[CaseyatBat]

6 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Well, I think you can cap it. It would just take some changes and legal contracts. If you can put it in writing and if all parties agree, could probably have a cap of some sort. Or say you want to play NCAA sports, included in your scholarship contract is an clause that you do agree to the Big10, SEC, Big XII "NIL cap" or however you word it. As of now, the NIL is different based on the State your college is in. "Individuals can engage in NIL activities that are consistent with the law of the state where the school is located." If the states want things to change and it's done via legislation... it'll be hard for any court to stop it. 

 

why would they do that? 

 

"hey guys lets put a limit on how much money everyone can bring in. "

 

sounds... unpopular

 

 

Edited December 16 by CaseyatBat

[ArdmoreRyno]

6 hours ago, CaseyatBat said:

 

why would they do that? 

 

"hey guys lets put a limit on how much money everyone can bring in. "

 

sounds... unpopular

 

 

You feel the current system of the schools with the big donors, kids making $10,000,000 to play for a school (pay to play) is the best option? With zero limits? 

[Mikie2times]

8 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

You feel the current system of the schools with the big donors, kids making $10,000,000 to play for a school (pay to play) is the best option? With zero limits? 

I mean, the market is deciding what a player is worth. That seems reasonably fair? 

[CaseyatBat]

12 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

You feel the current system of the schools with the big donors, kids making $10,000,000 to play for a school (pay to play) is the best option? With zero limits? 

Who is making over 10million?

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

1 hour ago, CaseyatBat said:

Who is making over 10million?

 

 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2024/12/how-michigan-football-spent-millions-to-flip-bryce-underwood-its-qb-of-the-future.html

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You had a logical reply until that. 

Teams like the 2011 Oklahoma State team or even the 2021 team, could have and would have beat about anyone in the country. 2011 was the best offense in football, by far. 2021, arguably the best defense in college football. 

 

Yeah who can forget that 2021 Oklahoma State defense.  

 

Sure the Cowboys lost almost half of their games..........and got beaten by a .500 Wisconsin team in their bowl game........but in your mind.......if only they'd have gotten to play Alabama and Georgia in the playoffs.

 

 

You are clownishly delusional about the quality of your team's program, dude.  😂  

[CaseyatBat]

46 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2024/12/how-michigan-football-spent-millions-to-flip-bryce-underwood-its-qb-of-the-future.html

that figure is not confirmed and you acted like there were many players like that. Or at least more than 1 lol

[CaseyatBat]

Wait a minute? He’s An Oklahoma state fan? bitching about NIL?

 

That program is literally one of the biggest responsible for this mess with that T Boone Pickens money. 

 

like a guy driving around in a Ferrari for years bitching when his neighbor finally gets one too
 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah who can forget that 2021 Oklahoma State defense.  

 

Sure the Cowboys lost almost half of their games..........and got beaten by a .500 Wisconsin team in their bowl game........but in your mind.......if only they'd have gotten to play Alabama and Georgia in the playoffs.

 

 

You are clownishly delusional about the quality of your team's program, dude.  😂  

 

Huh? 

 

12-2 season, was 1" from making the CFP (lost in the Big XII Championship game when our backup RB was just 1" short of scoring. Our #1 RB, Jaylen Warren was hurt and couldn't play that game). We faced Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl and shut them out in the 2nd half to win, after getting being down 28-7. 

 

The defense on that team was 2nd to only Georgia. We lost our DC at the end of the season to Ohio State (Jim Knowles). Oklahoma State, since Gundy got his system in place, has been one of the top programs in football in regards to winning. He's had 2 losing seasons in 20 years (year one and last year). 

 

 

You're a moron.

 

 

11 hours ago, CaseyatBat said:

Wait a minute? He’s An Oklahoma state fan? bitching about NIL?

 

That program is literally one of the biggest responsible for this mess with that T Boone Pickens money. 

 

like a guy driving around in a Ferrari for years bitching when his neighbor finally gets one too
 

 

 

Well, your sentence makes no sense. Might want to re-word it. 

 

And when he was ALIVE, T.Boone donated to our school for facilities, both academic and athletic. He helped pay for the stadium overhaul. He wasn't alive to help pay players to come to the school. Unfortunately. 

Edited December 17 by ArdmoreRyno

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Huh? 

 

12-2 season, was 1" from making the CFP (lost in the Big XII Championship game when our backup RB was just 1" short of scoring. Our #1 RB, Jaylen Warren was hurt and couldn't play that game). We faced Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl and shut them out in the 2nd half to win, after getting being down 28-7. 

 

The defense on that team was 2nd to only Georgia. We lost our DC at the end of the season to Ohio State (Jim Knowles). Oklahoma State, since Gundy got his system in place, has been one of the top programs in football in regards to winning. He's had 2 losing seasons in 20 years (year one and last year). 

 

 

You're a moron.

 

 

 

Well, your sentence makes no sense. Might want to re-word it. 

 

And when he was ALIVE, T.Boone donated to our school for facilities, both academic and athletic. He helped pay for the stadium overhaul. He wasn't alive to help pay players to come to the school. Unfortunately. 

 

 

 

Oklahoma State hasn't had a team capable of winning a national championship since the 1940's when they beat that powerhouse St Mary and were retroactively awarded a title 70 years later.😂

 

The team you are talking about didn't beat a team that finished anywhere near the playoff field in the rankings.  And they lost to Iowa State and Baylor in the same season!  OK State and the teams that beat them were not programs that could realistically be expected to beat an SEC team in a playoff format.   The fact that you are in denial about it underscores my point.   That was a season where Georgia and Alabama totally embarrassed their opponents in the playoff.   Which is kinda' how the 4 team playoff usually went pre-NIL.

 

This is among the reasons why NIL and the transfer portal are good things.    The elite programs are still very good but the talent has become better distributed.   There are more teams with a chance now.........which makes a 12 team playoff possible.   And the fact that the non-playoff teams have a little recruiting edge in the portal is what a pro league would call a "competitive balance" measure.  

 

The way it was before may have been easier for a billionaire funded Oklahoma State to finish with a top 10 ranking.........but it was irrelevant because they had no actual chance to win a national championship tournament.    Alabama's 3rd string had far more NFL talent than OK State's starting 22.   That was how college football actually was.   As bad as Michigan got whooped that season you could double that for that OK State.   You wouldn't be wishing for it back if you got to that playoff.   You were saved a reality check,  obviously.

[Bill from NYC]

15 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Oklahoma State hasn't had a team capable of winning a national championship since the 1940's when they beat that powerhouse St Mary and were retroactively awarded a title 70 years later.😂

 

The team you are talking about didn't beat a team that finished anywhere near the playoff field in the rankings.  And they lost to Iowa State and Baylor in the same season!  OK State and the teams that beat them were not programs that could realistically be expected to beat an SEC team in a playoff format.   The fact that you are in denial about it underscores my point.   That was a season where Georgia and Alabama totally embarrassed their opponents in the playoff.   Which is kinda' how the 4 team playoff usually went pre-NIL.

 

This is among the reasons why NIL and the transfer portal are good things.    The elite programs are still very good but the talent has become better distributed.   There are more teams with a chance now.........which makes a 12 team playoff possible.   And the fact that the non-playoff teams have a little recruiting edge in the portal is what a pro league would call a "competitive balance" measure.  

 

The way it was before may have been easier for a billionaire funded Oklahoma State to finish with a top 10 ranking.........but it was irrelevant because they had no actual chance to win a national championship tournament.    Alabama's 3rd string had far more NFL talent than OK State's starting 22.   That was how college football actually was.   As bad as Michigan got whooped that season you could double that for that OK State.   You wouldn't be wishing for it back if you got to that playoff.   You were saved a reality check,  obviously.

I am not against NIL. I think that it should be regulated but I don't see how it can be unless the players form a union, but; even that seems like a difficult if not unlikely scenario. My question is: Do you think that NIL will decrease the quality of play both in the NCAA and the NFL?

 

I ask this because I suspect that it may. Kids out of high school are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I'm thinking that not many of them are equipped to handle this. I know that I wouldn't want to take a hit from Ruben Foster if I had a million dollars in my pocket. 

 

I also suspect that it will be harder for coaches to instill discipline in these kids, especially for "Saban style" coaches. This is obviously why he quit. He talked about the value of discipline for his entire career. This was an instrumental part of why he (and his players) were so successful, and countless players do and will attest to this. Now, a player can tell a coach to "f*^k off" and go sign with another team. I just can't see how this will not hurt the quality of play for many of the kids both short and long term.

 

What am I missing?

Edited December 18 by Bill from NYC

[cle23]

3 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I am not against NIL. I think that it should be regulated but I don't see how it can be unless the players form a union, but; even that seems like a difficult if not unlikely scenario. My question is: Do you think that NIL will decrease the quality of play both in the NCAA and the NFL?

 

I ask this because I suspect that it may. Kids out of high are paid school hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I'm thinking that not many of them are equipped to handle this. I know that I wouldn't want to take a hit from Ruben Foster if I had a million dollars in my pocket. 

 

I also suspect that it will be harder for coaches to instill discipline in these kids, especially for "Saban style" coaches. This is obviously why he quit. He talked about the value of discipline for his entire career. This was an instrumental part of why he (and his players) were so successful, and countless players do and will attest to this. Now, a player can tell a coach to "f*^k off" and go sign with another team. I just can't see how this will not hurt the quality of play for many of the kids both short and long term.

 

What am I missing?

 

You're not entirely wrong, but coaches have been able to tell players to "f off" for years.  In theory, a coach could have signed a whole entire class to binding LOI, and then leave the next day with no penalty.  If the player then decided to transfer the day the coach left, he would have to sit out a year at the new school before being able to play, while the coach could start immediately.  And coaches are getting paid $10+ million per year now in college, and the players were making nothing.  College football especially is now generating billions of dollars per year, so while it is insane to see what some of these players are making, they should be able to make whatever money they can.  Should the market set your salary rate, or should their be some agency that determines what you are allowed to make?

 

I am not saying the new system is perfect because it isn't, but why would the players agree to a cap?  

Edited December 18 by cle23

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

I am not against NIL. I think that it should be regulated but I don't see how it can be unless the players form a union, but; even that seems like a difficult if not unlikely scenario. My question is: Do you think that NIL will decrease the quality of play both in the NCAA and the NFL?

 

I ask this because I suspect that it may. Kids out of high are paid school hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I'm thinking that not many of them are equipped to handle this. I know that I wouldn't want to take a hit from Ruben Foster if I had a million dollars in my pocket. 

 

I also suspect that it will be harder for coaches to instill discipline in these kids, especially for "Saban style" coaches. This is obviously why he quit. He talked about the value of discipline for his entire career. This was an instrumental part of why he (and his players) were so successful, and countless players do and will attest to this. Now, a player can tell a coach to "f*^k off" and go sign with another team. I just can't see how this will not hurt the quality of play for many of the kids both short and long term.

 

What am I missing?

 

 

We thought it would decrease the quality of play.   I've been pleasantly surprised that, in general, that has not been the case.  It probably is for the elite programs like Georgia and Alabama because their monopoly on talent has been compromised a bit.   But better distributed talent is making the quality of play appear better beyond that.   When a team is just a position or 2 away from being really good.......they can shop for them in the portal and plug them right in.   That's a good thing.   

 

I think that a lot of players basically becoming professional at the HS level is leading to more mature players entering college.   Look at Williams for Alabama.  17 year old superstar.  At the pro level we have seen more young players hit the ground running than we did a generation ago.   They play football year round growing up and seem more ready for big stages early.  When they were just broke kids getting exploited I think the maturation and discipline were things that were more on the coach to achieve.  Transfers used to be a sign that a player didn't like or respect the coach.   Now it's about $ and opportunity.  Players deserve that.

 

And I don't really think kid's being uncoachable or undisciplined are why Saban quit.   IMO he just knew the days of being able to monopolize talent were over and he didn't want to experience occasional seasons like Alabama did this year.    I think that if he had stayed in the NFL and had a HoF coaching career there he might do what Belichick did and gladly go back to college and try to build something.   But going from winning championships every year or 2 to being just another really good team was a backslide for him.   He set the bar too high.   I don't blame him.   He already owns the records.  It's all relative and less success in the future if he stayed in CFB was basically a given.

[ArdmoreRyno]

On 12/17/2024 at 11:02 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Oklahoma State hasn't had a team capable of winning a national championship since the 1940's when they beat that powerhouse St Mary and were retroactively awarded a title 70 years later.😂

 

The team you are talking about didn't beat a team that finished anywhere near the playoff field in the rankings.  And they lost to Iowa State and Baylor in the same season!  OK State and the teams that beat them were not programs that could realistically be expected to beat an SEC team in a playoff format.   The fact that you are in denial about it underscores my point.   That was a season where Georgia and Alabama totally embarrassed their opponents in the playoff.   Which is kinda' how the 4 team playoff usually went pre-NIL.

 

This is among the reasons why NIL and the transfer portal are good things.    The elite programs are still very good but the talent has become better distributed.   There are more teams with a chance now.........which makes a 12 team playoff possible.   And the fact that the non-playoff teams have a little recruiting edge in the portal is what a pro league would call a "competitive balance" measure.  

 

The way it was before may have been easier for a billionaire funded Oklahoma State to finish with a top 10 ranking.........but it was irrelevant because they had no actual chance to win a national championship tournament.    Alabama's 3rd string had far more NFL talent than OK State's starting 22.   That was how college football actually was.   As bad as Michigan got whooped that season you could double that for that OK State.   You wouldn't be wishing for it back if you got to that playoff.   You were saved a reality check,  obviously.

 

What's funny.... you can play make-believe all you like. You can say ***** like "Alabama's 3rd string..." but guess what? They didn't play. Having NFL talent doesn't = wins. Teams with way better talent lose ALL THE TIME. Look at TCU v Michigan a couple of years ago... or Boise State vs OU in the Fiesta. OSU has coached up lesser talent. Period. 

 

You are clearly just a hater. Somewhere in your past, Oklahoma State did something to really hurt you. Maybe show us on the doll where that happened? 

 

You're here 'freaking out' when I say anything. So much, I talk about the 2021 season and you go off about a completely different year. Why? What did the Cowboys do to you or your family? 

 

In 2021, they beat 5 ranked teams. They also beat Notre Dame, who was very much in the Playoff talks... as was OSU. This is how uneducated you are. Baylor finished 7th in the final CFP polls, Notre Dame finished 5th. They also beat OU, who was in the top 10 for a few weeks (finished 16th). You can throw out all the crap you want, I'll just throw out FACTS to prove you wrong. That OSU defense gave up a total of 5 touchdowns in the 2nd half in their final 12 weeks. In many games, they shut out their opponents completely after halftime. Again, the 2nd best defense in college football in 2021. 

 

And in 2011, we were 0.086 points from playing LSU for a national title. It was the closest margin in BCS history and (again) a major reason we have a Playoff today. 

 

So you're bullsh*t of "Oklahoma State hasn't had a team capable of winning a national championship since the 1940's" is just you being a complete and utter MORON because it's literally untrue. They've been extremely close, twice, of having that chance. You could go off on Vandy and say that, but not the program who has been pretty much top 10 in wins since the mid-2000's. 

 

Again, you need to take a Xanax. Why you feel you need to be a complete dick, I don't get. 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

On 12/18/2024 at 11:21 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

We thought it would decrease the quality of play.   I've been pleasantly surprised that, in general, that has not been the case.  It probably is for the elite programs like Georgia and Alabama because their monopoly on talent has been compromised a bit.   But better distributed talent is making the quality of play appear better beyond that.   When a team is just a position or 2 away from being really good.......they can shop for them in the portal and plug them right in.   That's a good thing.   

 

I think that a lot of players basically becoming professional at the HS level is leading to more mature players entering college.   Look at Williams for Alabama.  17 year old superstar.  At the pro level we have seen more young players hit the ground running than we did a generation ago.   They play football year round growing up and seem more ready for big stages early.  When they were just broke kids getting exploited I think the maturation and discipline were things that were more on the coach to achieve.  Transfers used to be a sign that a player didn't like or respect the coach.   Now it's about $ and opportunity.  Players deserve that.

 

And I don't really think kid's being uncoachable or undisciplined are why Saban quit.   IMO he just knew the days of being able to monopolize talent were over and he didn't want to experience occasional seasons like Alabama did this year.    I think that if he had stayed in the NFL and had a HoF coaching career there he might do what Belichick did and gladly go back to college and try to build something.   But going from winning championships every year or 2 to being just another really good team was a backslide for him.   He set the bar too high.   I don't blame him.   He already owns the records.  It's all relative and less success in the future if he stayed in CFB was basically a given.

There is not much in the above with which I can argue, other than the factor of discipline.

 

In camp, DeBoer had ice cream trucks and blaring rap music. I don't have the stats but there was a notable increase in penalties. Malachi Moore (a great safety who never had any issues) had a meltdown on the field and a very costly penalty. These things might have caused Saban to have cardiac illness. 

 

Despite all of this I think that Milroe (not DeBoer) was the primary cause of Alabama losing three games. That said, do you think that Saban would have lost three games with this team, even with Milroe? I for one strongly doubt it if for no other reason, the discipline factor. I'm not sure that coaches will want to risk upsetting players now. 

 

I do however agree with you that the talent will be more spread out. I mean, Derrick Henry had to wait a full season on the bench before he started. Davonta Smith caught all of FOUR passes in his freshman season before his title winning TD pass. Things like this may never happen again. Or will they?

 

I guess we will see how this all plays out.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

What's funny.... you can play make-believe all you like. You can say ***** like "Alabama's 3rd string..." but guess what? They didn't play. Having NFL talent doesn't = wins. Teams with way better talent lose ALL THE TIME. Look at TCU v Michigan a couple of years ago... or Boise State vs OU in the Fiesta. OSU has coached up lesser talent. Period. 

 

You are clearly just a hater. Somewhere in your past, Oklahoma State did something to really hurt you. Maybe show us on the doll where that happened? 

 

You're here 'freaking out' when I say anything. So much, I talk about the 2021 season and you go off about a completely different year. Why? What did the Cowboys do to you or your family? 

 

In 2021, they beat 5 ranked teams. They also beat Notre Dame, who was very much in the Playoff talks... as was OSU. This is how uneducated you are. Baylor finished 7th in the final CFP polls, Notre Dame finished 5th. They also beat OU, who was in the top 10 for a few weeks (finished 16th). You can throw out all the crap you want, I'll just throw out FACTS to prove you wrong. That OSU defense gave up a total of 5 touchdowns in the 2nd half in their final 12 weeks. In many games, they shut out their opponents completely after halftime. Again, the 2nd best defense in college football in 2021. 

 

And in 2011, we were 0.086 points from playing LSU for a national title. It was the closest margin in BCS history and (again) a major reason we have a Playoff today. 

 

So you're bullsh*t of "Oklahoma State hasn't had a team capable of winning a national championship since the 1940's" is just you being a complete and utter MORON because it's literally untrue. They've been extremely close, twice, of having that chance. You could go off on Vandy and say that, but not the program who has been pretty much top 10 in wins since the mid-2000's. 

 

Again, you need to take a Xanax. Why you feel you need to be a complete dick, I don't get. 

 

 

 

 

Your anger is hilarious.😂  Thinking Oklahoma State was going to beat some #1 ranked SEC champion in a national title game?   Was never going to happen.  

 

But yeah, use TCU as an example when they beat a Michigan team that didn't deserve to be there either.   How did that TCU season end?   65-7 loss in the final to Georgia.  

 

Like I said,  the best OK State teams stood zero chance in a national championship final under the pre-NIL NCAA.   There were usually 2-3 championship quality teams between a group of Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and Ohio State............and everyone else was miles behind them regardless their final ranking or if they were fed to the wolves with the 3rd or 4th seed.

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Your anger is hilarious.😂  Thinking Oklahoma State was going to beat some #1 ranked SEC champion in a national title game?   Was never going to happen.  

 

But yeah, use TCU as an example when they beat a Michigan team that didn't deserve to be there either.   How did that TCU season end?   65-7 loss in the final to Georgia.  

 

Like I said,  the best OK State teams stood zero chance in a national championship final under the pre-NIL NCAA.   There were usually 2-3 championship quality teams between a group of Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and Ohio State............and everyone else was miles behind them regardless their final ranking or if they were fed to the wolves with the 3rd or 4th seed.

 

 

 

This is 100% pure opinion. It would be like my saying our 2021 Bills would have won the Super Bowl if we didn't f'up the final 13 seconds of that game. We think that, but we really don't know. We will never know. 

 

You have an opinion, so do I. Those are actually the only facts here... aside from me saying OSU was as close as you could get from playing in the title game as one could get. Twice. You, for some reason, are saying that's untrue ("Oklahoma State hasn't had a team capable of winning a national championship"). I can post the final BCS Standings in 2011 to show the actual truth of the matter to prove you flat out wrong. I can also post articles to the 2021 season pre-Big XII championship game and the final 4 spot to the CPF being between OSU and Cincinnati. OSU has been EXTREMELY close over the past 13 seasons.

 

As for TCU, they did beat Michigan. My point was, having more talent and more stars (recruitment-wise) does not equal wins. They had way less talent than Michigan... and won. Another great example is Oklahoma State vs Texas from like 2010. Texas recruiting classes were HEADS above OSU's. Way more NFL talent. The recruiting budget between UT and OSU is astronomical. But for some reason... the Pokes went 9-5 vs Texas over those 14 years (including six straight in Austin). Talent doesn't = wins. That's why Oklahoma State could have and would have won in 2011 (We would have lost in 2021, IMO, but it would have been a good fight thanks to the defense). 

 

[frostbitmic]

I used to like college football, all the changes they've made has caused me to lose interest. I used to watch games every weekend, not this year.

 

When you have Cal and Stanford in the Atlantic Coast Conference, you have issues.