Maxx Crosby likely to have season ending surgery. Now more likely to be traded in offseason?

[thenorthremembers]

Detroit will have Hutchinson back by then.   Raiders have the #1 or #2 pick and won't need to leverage him to get a QB.   No real reason for them to trade him.

[SoonerBillsFan]

11 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Would prefer to hit a home run on an edge rusher in the draft for once, even if it means trading up. Crosby is starting to get old and now injuries are mounting. 

I'm with you and I don't want to hear about how much it costs.  Get a damn stud pass rusher already!

[chongli]

No to a Garrett trade due to character concerns. We are not KC, Cleveland, Dallas, or Washington.

Edited December 15 by chongli

[DCofNC]

12 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

I think there is a bit more urgency to “go all in “ again as Josh will be 29 next season and surely even he will eventually start slowing down in the next couple of years …if they don’t win it this year , then they should be thinking about moves like this …
 

Crosby is 27 … wouldn’t say he is “old” …provided he recovers from the injury he has got 4 more high end years at a minimum … and his contract for the next 2 years is manageable and you can walk away after that if need be…if you sign a top end free agent then you will be likely committed longer than two years 

 

Of course I would prefer to draft the next version of Crosby or TJ Watt …but that’s obviously harder to do picking in the late 20s every year.. you are likely getting someone that still needs some seasoning when they need someone to hit the ground running …

Don’t expect Crosby to play on that contract any longer, market value is about 1.5x what he’s being paid.

[T master]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

IMO, the time for trying to find a bunch of guys to be Bills for 10+ years is over 

 

hopefully we win it all this year.

If we don’t, the plan HAS to be “how do we win a SB in the next two seasons if we disregard everything else.”

 

Every year Josh plays and doesn’t win a SB, the chance of it happening in his career only goes one direction.

 

Well to this point Josh and for the most part the offense have delivered in the bigger games but the D is the ones that come up short and faulter at the end of these games to allow the opposition to score just enough to win the game in the play offs .

 

If the Bills are going to win it all they need the D to step up and be much more stout & have someone other than and much more consistent than a Ed Oliver on the D ! Maybe they could package Ed in a trade or to move up in the draft .

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

It's going to cost too much. And he's very good but he's not prime Von or Bruce. 

 

Keep drafting dline imo

It's not that he's not good enough, it's the cost is too prohibitive for the actual return you will get 

 

He's not Myles Garrett or prime DeMarcus Ware

You’ve got to be kidding me with this take.

 

We’ve got to get out of this “he’s not worth it” mindset in Buffalo. 

 

Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa, Solomon - recent DEs drafted by Beane, are any of them able to get to the QB like Crosby has demonstrated? 
 

Draft and develop - meanwhile Allen is 29 next year. 

[SCBills]

Next year will be Maxx Crosby’s age 28 season. 
 

As a pass rusher, he’s directly in his prime.  
 

I understand the Von Miller hesitation, but if we had him for his age 28-32 seasons, we’d have our Super Bowl trophy(s) already. 
 

 

Edited December 15 by SCBills

[Kelly to Allen]

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

You’ve got to be kidding me with this take.

 

We’ve got to get out of this “he’s not worth it” mindset in Buffalo. 

 

Rousseau, Basham, Epenesa, Solomon - recent DEs drafted by Beane, are any of them able to get to the QB like Crosby has demonstrated? 
 

Draft and develop - meanwhile Allen is 29 next year. 

 

I'm not giving up multiple 1s for a guy coming off surgery and isn't a blue chip pass rusher. He's not Myles Garrett 

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Next year will be Maxx Crosby’s age 28 season. 
 

As a pass rusher, he’s directly in his prime.  
 

I understand the Von Miller hesitation, but if we had him for his age 28-32 seasons, we’d have our Super Bowl trophy(s) already. 
 

 

Max Crosby isn't even in the same stratosphere as Prime Von. Stop it

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I'm not giving up multiple 1s for a guy coming off surgery and isn't a blue chip pass rusher. He's not Myles Garrett 

Max Crosby isn't even in the same stratosphere as Prime Von. Stop it

Where do you rank Chris Jones in the spectrum of Maxx Crosby to Myles Garrett?

 

Because, coaching aside, Chris Jones is THE difference between recent Chiefs teams and recent Bills teams. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I'm not giving up multiple 1s for a guy coming off surgery and isn't a blue chip pass rusher. He's not Myles Garrett 

Max Crosby isn't even in the same stratosphere as Prime Von. Stop it

Oh no, where would this team have been without Elam and Kincaid on the field lol

[TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th]

Why would Detroit trade for an aging pass rusher coming off an injury when they have arguably the best pass rusher in the league who's only 24 years old

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Oh no, where would this team have been without Elam and Kincaid on the field lol

And both of those were trade-ups, not even our original pick

 

People need to get out of the mindset of “1st Round Picks are untouchable”

 

Not when they are end of the 1st Round and you have a GM who’s elite at finding above average players later in the Draft.  

[Kelly to Allen]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Where do you rank Chris Jones in the spectrum of Maxx Crosby to Myles Garrett?

 

Because, coaching aside, Chris Jones is THE difference between recent Chiefs teams and recent Bills teams. 

Chris Jones is great Hof level player. Even he's not Myles Garrett. 

 

Crosby is really good but he's not a guy who can completely take over a game. 

 

Maybe you disagree but that's my opinion on him. 

 

I guess if we trade for him I'll be happy. But two firsts is tough. 

 

I guess if he's fully healthy obviously I would be okay with it. 

 

 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

Why would Detroit trade for an aging pass rusher coming off an injury when they have arguably the best pass rusher in the league who's only 24 years old

 

Teams like to have lots of good players.

[Kelly to Allen]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Oh no, where would this team have been without Elam and Kincaid on the field lol

Kincaid is going to be the best te in the NFL in a couple years. That dude is going to be great 

 

Ask McDermott about Elam. The dude shut down Williams for Detroit in the sec championship if I remember correctly 

Edited December 15 by Kelly to Allen

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Kincaid is going to be the best te in the NFL in a couple years. That dude is going to be great 

 

Ask McDermott about Elam. The dude shut down Williams for Detroit in the sec championship if I remember correctly 

I’m hopeful on Kincaid.  The talent is there.  The fit, so far, is clunky. 
 

As for Elam.. I truly hope he starts today, plays well and maybe even pushes to start moving forward over a healthy Rasul.   But even if he does that (which probably won’t happen), we’re now 3 years into his rookie contract.   Best case scenario is we have to decide who to pay between Elam and Benford and I think we know who that will be, unless he prices himself out and we go the Chiefs route of not paying CB’s top dollar. 
 

Edited December 15 by SCBills

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I’m hopeful on Kincaid.  The talent is there.  The fit, so far, is clunky. 
 

As for Elam.. I truly hope he starts today, plays well and maybe even pushes to start moving forward over a healthy Rasul.   But even if he does that (which probably won’t happen), we’re now 3 years into his rookie contract.   Best case scenario is we have to decide who to pay between Elam and Benford and I think we know who that will be, unless he prices himself out and we go the Chiefs route of not paying CB’s top dollar. 
 

 

If they trade for a pass rusher I want Parsons. That's a game changer imo

 

Trade for Parsons 

 

Next year your front 4 in passing situations is 

 

Parsons 

Oliver 

Rousseau 

Von Miller 

 

With 

 

Epenesa 

Carter

Solomon rotating in

 

Parsons rushing opposite even an older Von Miller is not fair. That's what I would want 

Edited December 15 by Kelly to Allen

[Straight Hucklebuck]

21 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

I'm not giving up multiple 1s for a guy coming off surgery and isn't a blue chip pass rusher. He's not Myles Garrett 

Max Crosby isn't even in the same stratosphere as Prime Von. Stop it

You’re never going to draft a DE as good as Maxx Crosby.

 

And he brings that intensity and motor that Buffalo just doesn’t have.

 

Saying he isn’t TJ Watt or Myles Garrett as if that’s the only bar that would make this team better is wild to me. 
 

This is such a Drought era take, the “he’s not worth it” take. 
 

I want a GM who hears Maxx Crosby is available and they’re out there trying to figure out how it would work. 
 

Not, we’ll draft someone as save money. 

 

52 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Kincaid is going to be the best te in the NFL in a couple years. That dude is going to be great 

 

Ask McDermott about Elam. The dude shut down Williams for Detroit in the sec championship if I remember correctly 

What has Kincaid shown that tells anyone this?

 

He gets down the field meaningfully better than any of the other young Tight Ends in the league? 

[FireChans]

56 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Kincaid is going to be the best te in the NFL in a couple years. That dude is going to be great 

 

Ask McDermott about Elam. The dude shut down Williams for Detroit in the sec championship if I remember correctly 

Kincaid has barely played this year….. same with Elam. That’s kinda the point. They have done next to nothing and we need help to win NOW.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

Why would Detroit trade for an aging pass rusher coming off an injury when they have arguably the best pass rusher in the league who's only 24 years old

 

Maxx Crosby effort, toughness, intensity. 
 

Dan Campbell’s effort, toughness and intensity.

 

The Lions are aggressive in everything they do.