Defense is built to stop average and below offenses.

[TD716]

Please change up the defensive philosophy this off season . Defense feasts on average and below QB’s and offensive lines. This coupled with Josh gets you double digit win totals each year. In the playoffs you very rarely see below average. Good qb’s,with time, pick apart our defense. Also sick of mobile DT’s. Jeff Wright, Kyle Williams and most of our current ones come to mind. Please either draft or pickup a mountain for the middle to at least stop the run. 

Edited December 14 by TD716

[Mark Vader]

9 minutes ago, TD716 said:

Please change up the defensive philosophy this off season . Defense feasts on average and below QB’s and offensive lines. This coupled with Josh gets you double digit win totals each year. In the playoffs you very rarely see below average. Good qb’s,with time, pick apart our defense. Also sick of mobile DT’s. Jeff Wright, Kyle Williams and most of our current ones come to mind. Please either draft or pickup a mountain for the middle to at least stop the run. 

So, they got lucky against the Chiefs?

[Hotdog water]

Ronald McDermotts philosophy on defense is Bend don’t break but we often break against good teams becuase we are out schemed. When we are not completely out schemed Ronald McDermott has another coaching seizure where he completely fumbles the game. 

[JPL7]

Something I’ve been saying for a few seasons now, is that this defense is too slow to stop upper echelon passing attacks, yet too small to stop decent run games. That in and if itself are not a recipe for success. Assuming “success” is winning the Super Bowl. 
 

In the NFL to be successful you should at least be big and tough or fast and schematically superior. The bills are neither. 

Edited December 14 by JPL7

[Kelly to Allen]

10 minutes ago, TD716 said:

Please change up the defensive philosophy this off season . Defense feasts on average and below QB’s and offensive lines. This coupled with Josh gets you double digit win totals each year. In the playoffs you very rarely see below average. Good qb’s,with time, pick apart our defense. Also sick of mobile DT’s. Jeff Wright, Kyle Williams and most of our current ones come to mind. Please either draft or pickup a mountain for the middle to at least stop the run. 

 

Ted Washington type players are extremely rare. Same with Sam Adams 

[BillsPride12]

Not saying anything earth shattering here but I absolutely feel like we need a true Myles Garrett, Chris Jones, TJ Watt gamebreaker type of player in their prime to be able to get over the hump as a true Super Bowl team.  I give credit to McDermott for being able to do more with less and a lot of the time that Defense combined with our potent Offense will be enough to win games.  But as we've seen against the Ravens and Rams this year and other games in past seasons there are times when our Defense can be exposed and chewed up.  

[Ya Digg?]

2 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Not saying anything earth shattering here but I absolutely feel like we need a true Myles Garrett, Chris Jones, TJ Watt gamebreaker type of player in their prime to be able to get over the hump as a true Super Bowl team.  I give credit to McDermott for being able to do more with less and a lot of the time that Defense combined with our potent Offense will be enough to win games.  But as we've seen against the Ravens and Rams this year and other games in past seasons there are times when our Defense can be exposed and chewed up.  

Yeah I’m pretty sure everyone would agree that having 1 of the top 3-5 defensive players in the league would help, this isn’t exactly ground breaking thinking. All of those guys are still with the teams that drafted them. Everyone knew Garrett would be awesome, that’s why he was the #1 pick. No one thought Watt or Jones would become the players they are, otherwise they would’ve been drafted 1 or 2 as well. It’s not as if the Bills haven’t tried to draft that gamechanger for the defense, it just hadn’t happened

[Kelly to Allen]

9 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Not saying anything earth shattering here but I absolutely feel like we need a true Myles Garrett, Chris Jones, TJ Watt gamebreaker type of player in their prime to be able to get over the hump as a true Super Bowl team.  I give credit to McDermott for being able to do more with less and a lot of the time that Defense combined with our potent Offense will be enough to win games.  But as we've seen against the Ravens and Rams this year and other games in past seasons there are times when our Defense can be exposed and chewed up.  

Finding a Bruce Smith or Myles Garrett is just as rare as finding a franchise QB. It's not realistic 

 

Better expectations would be a Sean Jones, Aaron Schobel, Hugh Douglas type dlineman 

Edited December 14 by Kelly to Allen

[sven233]

Just covered this in another post, but for the most part, I like the philosophy we have on defense.  Do I wish things would get changed up once in a while during games?  Absolutely.  But, fundamentally, the system is fine.

 

HOWEVER, the problem is this philosophy relies on your defensive line being a terror.  You have to get constant pressure with 4 guys and you have to be able to hold up against the run.  Right now, our DL does neither of those things well.  We have pretty good players on our defensive line.  But we don't have 1 absolute game wrecker when you should probably have 2 at least to run the system we want to run.  We are also too light up front which creates problems stopping the run.  So, yeah.....we need a lot of talent added to this defensive line to make this system work to its optimal level.  We need a terror off the edge and a couple of big behemoths anchors up front that can clog the middle of the line.  

 

The thing is against great QBs, this is even more important.  You can get away with having an average defensive line and playing this system against your standard QBs and average offensive lines.  But in the Playoffs, you play the greats.  And the greats can all make every throw on the field when given the time.  We just saw this last week with Stafford.  When you never touch him, or even breathe on him for that matter, he made every throw to perfection and the WRs made tough catches.  But, if just once our DL could have affected him and made his life less than perfect in the pocket, maybe one or 2 of those throws are off just that fraction of an inch and aren't completed.  

 

It would help if McDermott changed things up once in a while and showed different looks, but that isn't who he is.  So, it's going to be on Beane to go get a couple of game wreckers up front that can affect the QB consistently and not just once in a while.  It would be great to get a couple of DTs that can push the pocket and clog up running lanes at times as well to make it easier on the LBs to make plays.  

[TD716]

21 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

Ted Washington type players are extremely rare. Same with Sam Adams 

T’ vondre sweat was there to be had in the draft this year. We brought in Joseph last year because we knew we needed that type of player. He left and we and we didn’t bring in a 1T.

[GoBills808]

Good offenses are hard to stop. That's why we have success in the postseason w Allen

 

It's also why I want continual investment on offense. Yes even at the expense of the defense. Imo it's near impossible to create a perfectly balanced team for the playoffs and we've already shown our strength to be on offense...make that the focus. Find a way to be average on defense. Most other teams don't have an issue w that

[mannc]

30 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

So, they got lucky against the Chiefs?

The Chiefs trampled our defense in the home playoff game last year….8 yards per play!

[Mark Vader]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

The Chiefs trampled our defense in the home playoff game last year….8 yards per play!

That was last year.

 

I'm talking about this season.

 

Also, despite them trampling our defense in that playoff game, they still only won by 3 points. It's not like they blew us out.

Edited December 14 by Mark Vader

[Kelly to Allen]

9 minutes ago, TD716 said:

T’ vondre sweat was there to be had in the draft this year. We brought in Joseph last year because we knew we needed that type of player. He left and we and we didn’t bring in a 1T.

Carter is the better player IMHO. I don't think it's close 

[DrW]

8 minutes ago, TD716 said:

T’ vondre sweat was there to be had in the draft this year. We brought in Joseph last year because we knew we needed that type of player. He left and we and we didn’t bring in a 1T.

 

Unfortunately. when you have one pick close to the end of the first round, you are not allowed to draft two players, and WR was arguably the biggest position of need. 

[TD716]

2 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Carter is the better player IMHO. I don't think it's close 

You’re missing the point. 1T is needed. 

[LABILLBACKER]

15 minutes ago, sven233 said:

Just covered this in another post, but for the most part, I like the philosophy we have on defense.  Do I wish things would get changed up once in a while during games?  Absolutely.  But, fundamentally, the system is fine.

 

HOWEVER, the problem is this philosophy relies on your defensive line being a terror.  You have to get constant pressure with 4 guys and you have to be able to hold up against the run.  Right now, our DL does neither of those things well.  We have pretty good players on our defensive line.  But we don't have 1 absolute game wrecker when you should probably have 2 at least to run the system we want to run.  We are also too light up front which creates problems stopping the run.  So, yeah.....we need a lot of talent added to this defensive line to make this system work to its optimal level.  We need a terror off the edge and a couple of big behemoths anchors up front that can clog the middle of the line.  

 

The thing is against great QBs, this is even more important.  You can get away with having an average defensive line and playing this system against your standard QBs and average offensive lines.  But in the Playoffs, you play the greats.  And the greats can all make every throw on the field when given the time.  We just saw this last week with Stafford.  When you never touch him, or even breathe on him for that matter, he made every throw to perfection and the WRs made tough catches.  But, if just once our DL could have affected him and made his life less than perfect in the pocket, maybe one or 2 of those throws are off just that fraction of an inch and aren't completed.  

 

It would help if McDermott changed things up once in a while and showed different looks, but that isn't who he is.  So, it's going to be on Beane to go get a couple of game wreckers up front that can affect the QB consistently and not just once in a while.  It would be great to get a couple of DTs that can push the pocket and clog up running lanes at times as well to make it easier on the LBs to make plays.  

The entire concept of this defense gets destroyed because your front 4 fail. They fail in run stop and qb pressure. It always has and always will start with them.

[TD716]

5 minutes ago, DrW said:

 

Unfortunately. when you have one pick close to the end of the first round, you are not allowed to draft two players, and WR was arguably the biggest position of need. 

I think we are seeing now WR wasn’t our biggest need. The current WR we picked hasn’t played in a while and the WR core is doing fine while the run defense has been poor most of the year

[DrW]

2 minutes ago, TD716 said:

I think we are seeing now WR wasn’t our biggest need. The current WR we picked hasn’t played in a while and the WR core is doing fine while the run defense has been poor most of the year

 

Hindsight is 20/20.

[Kelly to Allen]

6 minutes ago, TD716 said:

You’re missing the point. 1T is needed. 

 

I mean it's more about light boxes tho right? 

 

I also think having even an older Von , Rousseau and Oliver is absolutely as close to it gets to having an organic pass rush. 

 

Watch Detroit or rewatch LA. 

 

It's constantly chipping and quick passing plays. Very rarely do teams do traditional drop backs vs our pass rush.