Niners scorn 'selfish' De'Vondre Campbell's refusal to play

[Buffalo716]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

WTF? 

They were 100% in the game, too. 

 

I assume they told him to go home and not come back while they figure out how to handle it in terms of contract?

 

I mean I've seen it happen and the college and HS level and it's basically ending your football career 

 

The niners have battled through a lot of adversity... Players losing kids... Etc... and he jus says no

 

I would've had his locker cleaned before the game was over but contact probably is a issue

[Buffalo Junction]

27 minutes ago, eSJayDee said:

Another confusing thing about this is that he didn't play AT ALL.  Didn't this occur well into the game?  In most instances, if you're not playing a "regular" position, you're active on Special Teams.  I'd think this particularly to be the case w/ something as versatile as LB.  Curious.

Not confusing at all. Teams generally make an exception if a player has an all pro season in their past. 

27 minutes ago, eSJayDee said:

Another confusing thing about this is that he didn't play AT ALL.  Didn't this occur well into the game?  In most instances, if you're not playing a "regular" position, you're active on Special Teams.  I'd think this particularly to be the case w/ something as versatile as LB.  Curious.

Not confusing at all. Teams generally make an exception if a player has an all pro season in their past. 

[dave mcbride]

4 hours ago, ganesh said:

mental health of the players needs to be taken seriously by the NFL.   We have no idea what the players are going through and questioning their "unusual" decisions is beyond our means. 

@Turf Toejam and @Comebackkid laughing at/mocking a good point by @ganesh is something that should be called out, I believe. Campbell, a community college guy who elevated himself into a fourth round pick in 2016 and has been a legit excellent player (literally, first-team all pro in 2021), has had a very good career, so something is going on. There’s likely something deeper here and mocking a longtime good poster for raising this possibility strikes me as the platonic ideal of weak argumentation. Be better, folks. Engage with actual evidence-based arguments.

Edited December 14 by dave mcbride

[SinceThe70s]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

@Turf Toejam and @Comebackkid laughing at/mocking a good point by @ganesh is something that should be called out, I believe. Campbell, a community college guy who elevated himself into a fourth round pick in 2016 and has been a legit excellent player (literally, first-team all pro in 2021), has had a very good career, so something is going on. There’s likely something deeper here and mocking a longtime good poster for raising this possibility strikes me as the platonic ideal of weak argumentation. Be better, folks. Engage with actual evidence-based arguments.

 

Agreed. The player turned his back on the team with (as far as I know) zero forewarning. His coaches and teammates responded in kind - no surprise (or complaint from me) there. I expect the team will cut ties and I have no problem with that. Feels like the players association should step in next to address the situation.  Big difference between a disgruntled employee and potentially far more serious issues.  

 

BTW, I thought it was weak that a poster worried how it might impact Bills/Lions.

[Breakout Squad]

Campbell left his team and teammates high and dry by refusing to play. He sure didn’t have a problem collecting his paycheck for being on the active roster though  

 

That’s why the mental health explanation doesn’t add up. It sounds like he was bitter about being a 2nd/3rd stringer. If he was experiencing a mental health crisis he shouldn’t have dressed. I also think if he was having issues his teammates wouldn’t have blasted him in the post game interviews. 

[US Egg]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

@Turf Toejam and @Comebackkid laughing at/mocking a good point by @ganesh is something that should be called out, I believe.

Mocking going far over the line of decency in here? Check out this one from the Randy Moss thread.

 

Edited December 14 by US Egg

[chongli]

8 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Agreed. The player turned his back on the team with (as far as I know) zero forewarning. His coaches and teammates responded in kind - no surprise (or complaint from me) there. I expect the team will cut ties and I have no problem with that. Feels like the players association should step in next to address the situation.  Big difference between a disgruntled employee and potentially far more serious issues.  

 

BTW, I thought it was weak that a poster worried how it might impact Bills/Lions.

 

So it's ok for a team to be upset and cut him but not for me to be concerned if he ends up with a competitor? That's weak? Then it would be weak for SF to cut or suspend him in the first place without finding out what is going on. Sounds hypocritical for you to say that. It's a legitimate concern he would go to another team, not that he would actually be signed in the event he is cut or is that good of a player.

Edited December 14 by chongli

[CoudyBills]

7 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Agreed. The player turned his back on the team with (as far as I know) zero forewarning. His coaches and teammates responded in kind - no surprise (or complaint from me) there. I expect the team will cut ties and I have no problem with that. Feels like the players association should step in next to address the situation.  Big difference between a disgruntled employee and potentially far more serious issues.  

 

BTW, I thought it was weak that a poster worried how it might impact Bills/Lions.

Any team that signs him is in for a trip.  Whole team is going to be waiting for him to B word out again.  

[chongli]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Not confusing at all. Teams generally make an exception if a player has an all pro season in their past. 

Not confusing at all. Teams generally make an exception if a player has an all pro season in their past. 

 

But he played special teams earlier in the season and was pretty bad, especially in the first Rams game.

Edited December 14 by chongli

[chongli]

9 hours ago, eSJayDee said:

Another confusing thing about this is that he didn't play AT ALL.  Didn't this occur well into the game?  In most instances, if you're not playing a "regular" position, you're active on Special Teams.  I'd think this particularly to be the case w/ something as versatile as LB.  Curious.

 

He was told to go in when Dee Winters was injured in the second quarter, but he refused. Then when he didn't go in in the third when Greenlaw's knees began to hur more, Shanahan got on the headset and asked the D coordinator why. That is when he found out. Then Campbell went to the locker room in the fourth and left the stadium before reporters could track him down.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

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[ganesh]

6 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

Campbell left his team and teammates high and dry by refusing to play. He sure didn’t have a problem collecting his paycheck for being on the active roster though  

 

That’s why the mental health explanation doesn’t add up. It sounds like he was bitter about being a 2nd/3rd stringer. If he was experiencing a mental health crisis he shouldn’t have dressed. I also think if he was having issues his teammates wouldn’t have blasted him in the post game interviews. 

There is no single pattern or indication for a potential mental health. Each situation is so different 

 

If a professional football player is pissed about his demotion, he is going to the GM and asking for his release because he needs to find another matching job.  
 

anyways, this was just a thought.  

[T master]

At this point i'm thinkin he might just as well retire ! I don;t know of any one that would want to depend on him especially if they were having a rough patch in a season & needed him to be a professional NFL "Team player" ...

[NoSaint]

18 hours ago, Logic said:

As I've seen pointed out elsewhere:

This is a PARTICULARLY egregious situation, because of the specifics of that 49ers team.

Ward coming back after the death of his daughter. Trent Williams coming back after the death of his son. Multiple guys battling injury to get onto the field. An absolute MUST-HAVE game against a division opponent.

This is different than retiring at halftime early in the season. This was BAD. The 49ers are right to cut ties with him immediately, and the only reason he hasn't been cut yet is that Shanahan says they're working through it to evaluate all their options (suspension vs release, contract money related things).

Whether or not Campbell realizes it, he likely just put an end to his NFL playing career.

he’s a backup LB that turns 32 in the offseason- that puts him in the top 1ish oldest LBs at that point? 
 

his career was over in a couple weeks. It’s just wild that this is the final note he would leave for himself to live with the rest of his life instead of getting out there and playing his last few snaps as a celebration of his career

[bigduke6]

not going to judge this guy just like i didnt judge Vontae.   for a person to do this,  its either a cry for help or the person just mentally isnt all there enough for the pressure of something like the NFL anymore.  people say f it and throw it all away all the time for many many valid reasons.  sure it sucks for the "teammates" and the employer,  but we know all too well just how much these Billionaires give an f about these guys.  he made a decision,  one that will get him blackballed from the NFL,  wish him well in the future.  cant judge these guys because i havent walked in their shoes.

[Thrivefourfive]

14 hours ago, eSJayDee said:

Another confusing thing about this is that he didn't play AT ALL.  Didn't this occur well into the game?  In most instances, if you're not playing a "regular" position, you're active on Special Teams.  I'd think this particularly to be the case w/ something as versatile as LB.  Curious.

Im not seeking out information, so speculating on this is fun. 
 

Exactly. There had to have been miscommunications going on from the staff to this player. 
 

1. There is no way he gets dressed to receive his bonus payments, and doesn’t tell the staff that he’s not answering the call to play. Right? I mean I’ve done something similar, on a JV basketball level mind you. 
 

2. Now if he tells the staff his intentions, they go along with it to keep this maniac content with his money because he’s already pissed Greenlaw is starting over him along with the other LB….. and then injury! which is a better than not possibility, King Seiko is wondering why #59 isn’t out there, and he gets word that he’s not answering the bell. Might actually be the defensive staff keeping this #59 game plan out of HC’s head. Staff thinking they can get away with this one. But it all blows up in their faces when #59 stays true to his word. 

With the way special forces operatives blabber away on podcasts these days, we’ll get the story. So many scenarios to have fun with. 

1 hour ago, bigduke6 said:

not going to judge this guy just like i didnt judge Vontae.   for a person to do this,  its either a cry for help or the person just mentally isnt all there enough for the pressure of something like the NFL anymore.  people say f it and throw it all away all the time for many many valid reasons.  sure it sucks for the "teammates" and the employer,  but we know all too well just how much these Billionaires give an f about these guys.  he made a decision,  one that will get him blackballed from the NFL,  wish him well in the future.  cant judge these guys because i havent walked in their shoes.

You mean you’re not calling him a POS straight away with no context whatsoever. What is this board coming too 🤣

[Comebackkid]

14 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

@Turf Toejam and @Comebackkid laughing at/mocking a good point by @ganesh is something that should be called out, I believe. Campbell, a community college guy who elevated himself into a fourth round pick in 2016 and has been a legit excellent player (literally, first-team all pro in 2021), has had a very good career, so something is going on. There’s likely something deeper here and mocking a longtime good poster for raising this possibility strikes me as the platonic ideal of weak argumentation. Be better, folks. Engage with actual evidence-based arguments.

Maybe he does have mental issues, most people do struggle from some sort of mental issues.   he wasnt to mental to sign a contract or play football up to this point.

someone proves he has mental issues and i'll excuse is actions.   At the same time, my thoughts have no real bearing on his outcome or his teamates.

[Mister Defense]

20 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Love the comments from Kittle and Ward (who played a week after the death of his daughter).

If this clown wants to retire in disgrace he's getting his wish.

 

I believe you are wrong, and that Ward took 4 games or so off.  He did not play the week after that tragedy.

 

 

[Nephilim17]

1 minute ago, Mister Defense said:

 

I believe you are wrong, and that Ward took 4 games or so off.  He did not play the week after that tragedy.

 

 

Yes, you are correct; I wrongly read the original article as "week" when he played "weeks" after the tragedy.

Edited December 14 by Nephilim17

[Mister Defense]

Just now, Nephilim17 said:

Just quoting the article that was cited. 

 

The article is wrong if it states that.

 

In fact, it would probably not be a great fact for Ward if that were true.

 

 

Edited December 14 by Mister Defense