The New Jersey Drones

[Niagara Bill]

6 hours ago, Roundybout said:

Certainly, but it’s not as simple as “oh I want to live in a suburb on an acre lot.” Negative externalities exist and suburban sprawl is inefficient.

So much of Italy decided to live in urban cities on top of hills 9 centuries and more ago because they hated suburban sprawl? Were the walls designed to keep people in.

That America lived in forts in 1492 and after because suburbs were frowned on?

Seriously...other items other than what you call efficiency had an affect in America

First was the feel of freedom and space. Food availability, growing produce,  Maybe most important was safety once the fear of attacks from native groups. Later it became safety to get away from urban trouble, air pollution, to be close to people of like minds. Building a home in suburbs was cheaper than high-rise costs to be able to live like Ralph and Alice Cramden.

Nothing is less efficient than the police costs, sanitation costs, infra structure costs, political costs, transport costs, health costs, education costs, building costs than urban living. Never needed a subway tunnel in the burbs. 

[Roundybout]

23 hours ago, RkFast said:

 

Heres the "rich and lively" and "environmentally friendly" living arrangement that progressive YIMBY's dream of. They would legislate all of us into the favelas if they had the chance to do so.

 

Looks awesome.

 

 

Can you explain what your problem is with this setting, specifically?

18 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

So much of Italy decided to live in urban cities on top of hills 9 centuries and more ago because they hated suburban sprawl? Were the walls designed to keep people in.

That America lived in forts in 1492 and after because suburbs were frowned on?

Seriously...other items other than what you call efficiency had an affect in America

First was the feel of freedom and space. Food availability, growing produce,  Maybe most important was safety once the fear of attacks from native groups. Later it became safety to get away from urban trouble, air pollution, to be close to people of like minds. Building a home in suburbs was cheaper than high-rise costs to be able to live like Ralph and Alice Cramden.

Nothing is less efficient than the police costs, sanitation costs, infra structure costs, political costs, transport costs, health costs, education costs, building costs than urban living. Never needed a subway tunnel in the burbs. 

You are completely incorrect. 
 

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/03/why-walkable-urban-areas-are-america-s-efficient-economic-engines/

[Roundybout]

 

the FAA should have no trouble rounding up these meatheads.

[Niagara Bill]

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

Can you explain what your problem is with this setting, specifically?

You are completely incorrect. 
 

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2023/03/why-walkable-urban-areas-are-america-s-efficient-economic-engines/

Wrong, I am completely correct...and in sanctuary cities the costs are higher. 

You suggest it is cheaper to building housing in Urban Chicago rather than rural Tennessee. You must be joking. 

Try to purchase a 1200 Sq foot condo vs a 1200 Sq ft home in burbs.

The burbs don't need 1/2 the services either built or used, beginning either sewars and police and politicians.

The lefties would try to justify the Ghetto buildings in urban centers, they cannot. It is failed policy. 

Life in small town, villages and burbs has always been cheaper and preferred providing safety was assured.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Wrong, I am completely correct...and in sanctuary cities the costs are higher. 

You suggest it is cheaper to building housing in Urban Chicago rather than rural Tennessee. You must be joking. 

Try to purchase a 1200 Sq foot condo vs a 1200 Sq ft home in burbs.

The burbs don't need 1/2 the services either built or used, beginning either sewars and police and politicians.

The lefties would try to justify the Ghetto buildings in urban centers, they cannot. It is failed policy. 

Life in small town, villages and burbs has always been cheaper and preferred providing safety was assured.

The zoning laws and political red tape are a big reason why nothing gets built.

[Roundybout]

8 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Wrong, I am completely correct...and in sanctuary cities the costs are higher. 

You suggest it is cheaper to building housing in Urban Chicago rather than rural Tennessee. You must be joking. 

Try to purchase a 1200 Sq foot condo vs a 1200 Sq ft home in burbs.

The burbs don't need 1/2 the services either built or used, beginning either sewars and police and politicians.

The lefties would try to justify the Ghetto buildings in urban centers, they cannot. It is failed policy. 

Life in small town, villages and burbs has always been cheaper and preferred providing safety was assured.

@AlBUNDY4TDS is correct. Prices in the city reflect the simple principal of supply and demand. 

People choose the urban setting because it’s close to amenities they enjoy, from grocery stores to bars. They don’t need a 20 minute drive to go buy toilet paper. 
 

Urban space is naturally limited, so when existing housing supply is used up, and it’s too difficult to build new supply, the price goes up.

 

That 1,200 square foot condo might be more expensive than the equally-sized home in the sticks, but there is a big difference in quality of life. 

[RkFast]

4 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

Can you explain what your problem is with this setting, specifically?

 

 

I show you a picture of favelas...literal slums and shantytowns....and your response is "Whats wrong with them?" 

 

Like I said...youre not being honest. 

 

23 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

@AlBUNDY4TDS is correct. Prices in the city reflect the simple principal of supply and demand. 

People choose the urban setting because it’s close to amenities they enjoy, from grocery stores to bars. They don’t need a 20 minute drive to go buy toilet paper. 

 

More dishonesty. A "20 minute drive for toilet paper" or to a grocery store or bar is an aspect of RURAL living, not typical suburban living in townships that outline and circle most city centers. And while not all suburbs are walkable, a large percentage of them are. For example, I live in the biggest "suburb" in America (Nassau County/Town of Hempstead) and a few miles from the original suburb...Levittown, NY. While driving to where I need to go is certainly more convenient, a major grocery store, a lot of general retail, three schools and about five bars/restaurants are within a 5-10 minute walk. 

 

Edited December 19 by RkFast

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

5 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

@AlBUNDY4TDS is correct. Prices in the city reflect the simple principal of supply and demand. 

People choose the urban setting because it’s close to amenities they enjoy, from grocery stores to bars. They don’t need a 20 minute drive to go buy toilet paper. 
 

Urban space is naturally limited, so when existing housing supply is used up, and it’s too difficult to build new supply, the price goes up.

 

That 1,200 square foot condo might be more expensive than the equally-sized home in the sticks, but there is a big difference in quality of life. 

This is the goal for some people, I would like the opposite. A few acres and some peace and quiet. Living in the city of Buffalo is over rated. Parking in the winter is a complete nightmare.

[Tenhigh]

20 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

@AlBUNDY4TDS is correct. Prices in the city reflect the simple principal of supply and demand. 

People choose the urban setting because it’s close to amenities they enjoy, from grocery stores to bars. They don’t need a 20 minute drive to go buy toilet paper. 
 

Urban space is naturally limited, so when existing housing supply is used up, and it’s too difficult to build new supply, the price goes up.

 

That 1,200 square foot condo might be more expensive than the equally-sized home in the sticks, but there is a big difference in quality of life. 

I've lived in the sticks, then NYC during the Guliani years and now then the NYC burbs, and I can tell you the quality of life in the burbs is far superior. I am a 3 minute drive from TP.

[wnyguy]

What in the H-E- DOUBLE HOCKEYSTICKS does any of this have to do with drones? 

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

@AlBUNDY4TDS is correct. Prices in the city reflect the simple principal of supply and demand. 

People choose the urban setting because it’s close to amenities they enjoy, from grocery stores to bars. They don’t need a 20 minute drive to go buy toilet paper. 
 

Urban space is naturally limited, so when existing housing supply is used up, and it’s too difficult to build new supply, the price goes up.

 

That 1,200 square foot condo might be more expensive than the equally-sized home in the sticks, but there is a big difference in quality of life. 

No village or burbs has the infra structure costs, sanitation, services, political, policing costs that a city has. Right on the 20 min drive, but Costco is cheaper than city stores. 

Quality of life starts with safety for your family. Enough said on that. 

[sherpa]

3 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

That 1,200 square foot condo might be more expensive than the equally-sized home in the sticks, but there is a big difference in quality of life. 

 

Quality of life is a personal judgement.

I live on 30 acres away from a city.

My wife and I walk our 850' driveway from 5:45 am to 6:30, every morning.

Dead quiet. Watching the space station over fly, and looking at the solar system season by season.

 

Pretty decent quality of life compared to urban living, if you ask me, but to each his own.