TNF Rams @ 49ers

[SoTier]

14 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

Darnold is gonna be a target for any team that doesn't have the proverbial "HIM." Minnesota has a big decision on their hands. 

 

If the Vikings FO guys are smart, they've already decided to re-sign Darnold and let their rookie QB sit another year.  He's not going to spoil sitting another year ... as Green Bay has shown with both Rodgers and Love, and that team is really good now, so carpe diem. 

 

7 hours ago, BananaB said:

What do you mean? Poyer is at the end of his career, we all seen that coming. Tre had 2 serious injuries add in he was getting older as well. Hyde never went nowhere besides his couch. Taron is still playing here as well. So we talking about Wallace and Dane who were both overrated by the fans here to begin with. Both weak links in a great group of DBs. There has been no one else worth talking about.

 

The Bills also let Stephon Gilmore walk in FA in 2017.  He went to make All Pro with NE and won at least one Super Bowl -- and not for just being on the team.

 

 

[BananaB]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

If the Vikings FO guys are smart, they've already decided to re-sign Darnold and let their rookie QB sit another year.  He's not going to spoil sitting another year ... as Green Bay has shown with both Rodgers and Love, and that team is really good now, so carpe diem. 

 

 

The Bills also let Stephon Gilmore walk in FA in 2017.  He went to make All Pro with NE and won at least one Super Bowl -- and not for just being on the team.

 

 

And defensive player of the year once

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

So the Bills Defense has never seen a QB stand up and throw the ball laterally to a WR in a trips right formation? Interesting. Is the AFCE still exclusively running the wishbone? 😉

 

2 hours ago, mannc said:

So you don't think familiarity with the scheme plays any role?  I think it has a lot to do with the Bills' ability to pretty much shut down the Dolphins, for example.

 

There's a couple of things.  Yes, I think familiarity with scheme plays a role.  The Bills don't have a lot of familiarity with the Rams scheme, but historically McDermott has been pretty good at shutting down Shanahan disciples, which I think McVay's offense still is. 

McDermott's defense is like a chronometer.  Other defenses have 1-3 "freakazoids" who can single-handedly change the course of a game.  On offense, we have Josh Allen, to whom that applies.  On defense ??  Von Miller was supposed to be a freakazoid for us, but that only materialized for about 10.5 games.

Someone here described the Bills defense as a Boa constrictor, there isn't a single part of the snake that seems particularly scary but in the end it strangles you.  But, McDermott will tell you, it all starts up front and if the DL doesn't come out ready to own the LOS, it's going to be a hella long day, because it's an "all-11, everyone Do Your Job" sort of system.

I do wonder if the defensive players feel some sort of way about having Milano dropped back into the lineup.   

[SoCal Deek]

40 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

There's a couple of things.  Yes, I think familiarity with scheme plays a role.  The Bills don't have a lot of familiarity with the Rams scheme, but historically McDermott has been pretty good at shutting down Shanahan disciples, which I think McVay's offense still is. 

McDermott's defense is like a chronometer.  Other defenses have 1-3 "freakazoids" who can single-handedly change the course of a game.  On offense, we have Josh Allen, to whom that applies.  On defense ??  Von Miller was supposed to be a freakazoid for us, but that only materialized for about 10.5 games.

Someone here described the Bills defense as a Boa constrictor, there isn't a single part of the snake that seems particularly scary but in the end it strangles you.  But, McDermott will tell you, it all starts up front and if the DL doesn't come out ready to own the LOS, it's going to be a hella long day, because it's an "all-11, everyone Do Your Job" sort of system.

I do wonder if the defensive players feel some sort of way about having Milano dropped back into the lineup.   

Okay? Most of my comments are laced with sarcasm including the previous one but there’s nothing freakish about a WR quick screen. Pretty much everyone runs it. The Bills defense was beyond awful on Sunday. I honestly don’t know why. But I doubt it had much to do with unfamiliarity with a WR quick screen. 

[Beck Water]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Okay? Most of my comments are laced with sarcasm including the previous one but there’s nothing freakish about a WR quick screen. Pretty much everyone runs it. The Bills defense was beyond awful on Sunday. I honestly don’t know why. But I doubt it had much to do with unfamiliarity with a WR quick screen. 

 

You were responding to this: "The Niners play them twice a year, every year.  "  I'm sorry it wasn't clear, but the guy you were responding to nor I, made any claims about a WR screen being "freakish" or "unfamiliar".

 

The point is, there are maybe 30? 40? plays in the game plan for the game.  They're going to throw a WR screen at some point.  They're going to execute other plays at other times.  But in what circumstances?  And what minor shifts in OL stance or position or QB cadence or anything else might be "tells" to the defense that the screen is coming?

 

That's the point of the chap you were responding to (and mine).  All teams run some variant of the same play.  Division rivals get extra familiarity with the tendencies of their opponent because they play them so often.  The Rams likely had extra insight into the Bills D because of the previous jobs and connections of their OC and DC.  The Bills didn't.

 

My comment about "freakazoids" was not that the WR screen is freakish, but that the Bills D doesn't depend on star players ("freakazoids", in Emmanuel Acho's words).  Rather, it depends on all 11 guys going hard and working together as one unit.  And on Sunday, the DL wasn't.

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

You were responding to this: "The Niners play them twice a year, every year.  "  I'm sorry it wasn't clear, but the guy you were responding to nor I, made any claims about a WR screen being "freakish" or "unfamiliar".

 

The point is, there are maybe 30? 40? plays in the game plan for the game.  They're going to throw a WR screen at some point.  They're going to execute other plays at other times.  But in what circumstances?  And what minor shifts in OL stance or position or QB cadence or anything else might be "tells" to the defense that the screen is coming?

 

That's the point of the chap you were responding to (and mine).  All teams run some variant of the same play.  Division rivals get extra familiarity with the tendencies of their opponent because they play them so often.  The Rams likely had extra insight into the Bills D because of the previous jobs and connections of their OC and DC.  The Bills didn't.

 

My comment about "freakazoids" was not that the WR screen is freakish, but that the Bills D doesn't depend on star players ("freakazoids", in Emmanuel Acho's words).  Rather, it depends on all 11 guys going hard and working together as one unit.  And on Sunday, the DL wasn't.

This is going all over the place. A WR quick screen has virtually nothing to do with the DL. My point all along has been that the ENTIRE defense played terribly. And I don’t think it had much to do with the Rams at all. The Bills just played a really bad game. It happens…apparently. 

[BigAl2526]

OK, so the 49ers held the Rams to 4 field goals (still losing).  What did they do differently from Buffalo to contain the Rams offense?

[Orlando Buffalo]

4 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

OK, so the 49ers held the Rams to 4 field goals (still losing).  What did they do differently from Buffalo to contain the Rams offense?

They caused it to rain by not playing in a dome mostly.