NFL to consider rule changes next season could include replay assist on some things

[Scott7975]

 

 

 

 

Looks like there could be some replay assist for missed/wrong penalties next year. Also a discussion about onside kick changes.

[US Egg]

Big Brother referring getting bigger, not that there’s anything wrong with it.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Would love to see the onside kick replaced with a 4th and 15 or 4th and 10 from your 30 yard line play. Only problem I see if having ticky-tack fouls influence the success or failure of the play. I feel like a first foul for either team should not succeed or kill the try but rather change it to 4th and 5  or 4th and 15 if play started as 4th and 10. Second foul by same team would end or succeed the attempt.

 

As for replay assist they need to just put it back in the coaches hands. Let them challenge two plays a game just like with current replay rules. Inevitably, in a big moment, with an obvious miss or non call the replay assist guy is going to be on his restroom break. 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

 

 

Looks like there could be some replay assist for missed/wrong penalties next year. Also a discussion about onside kick changes.

 

I would take our chances with an offensive play to retain possession with Allen of any distance over an onside kick 100/100.

5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Would love to see the onside kick replaced with a 4th and 15 or 4th and 10 from your 30 yard line play. Only problem I see if having ticky-tack fouls influence the success or failure of the play. I feel like a first foul for either team should not succeed or kill the try but rather change it to 4th and 5  or 4th and 15 if play started as 4th and 10. Second foul by same team would end or succeed the attempt.

 

As for replay assist they need to just put it back in the coaches hands. Let them challenge two plays a game just like with current replay rules. Inevitably, in a big moment, with an obvious miss or non call the replay assist guy is going to be on his restroom break. 

 

Replay assist has been beneficial for obvious overturns this year. Have they missed some? Sure, but no reason to toss out 90% good because they missed 10% of the calls.

 

That's silliness.

[peterpan]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I would take our chances with an offensive play to retain possession with Allen of any distance over an onside kick 100/100.

I think that’s exactly why it should NOT be changed.   It gives ANOTHER giant advantage to the teams with stud QBs and makes it that much harder for the 25ish teams that don’t.

 

i do think something needs to change regarding the onside kick.  Something that doubles or triples the likelihood of success to 15-20%.  Idk what that is exactly but!

also, I can imagine a scenario where a coach like Dan Campbell has a QB like Allen and  never kicks off and instead let’s “Allen” ball out on 4-15 every single time. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, peterpan said:

 

 

i do think something needs to change regarding the onside kick.  Something that doubles or triples the likelihood of success to 15-20%.  Idk what that is exactly but!

 

 

Declare you are onside kicking and receiving team can only have 8 players.

 

And they have to have a hand tied behind their back and a leg in a potato sack with a teammate. 

[HardyBoy]

2 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I think that’s exactly why it should NOT be changed.   It gives ANOTHER giant advantage to the teams with stud QBs and makes it that much harder for the 25ish teams that don’t.

 

i do think something needs to change regarding the onside kick.  Something that doubles or triples the likelihood of success to 15-20%.  Idk what that is exactly but!

also, I can imagine a scenario where a coach like Dan Campbell has a QB like Allen and  never kicks off and instead let’s “Allen” ball out on 4-15 every single time. 

 

You can only do an onside kick while down and I believe in the 4th quarter now (since the new kickoff rules).

 

Agree with everything else

[peterpan]

9 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

You can only do an onside kick while down and I believe in the 4th quarter now (since the new kickoff rules).

 

Agree with everything else

I was just wondering about that.  Is the “surprise” onside kick totally dead?  I believe it was Saints/Colts Super Bowl they opened a half with the surprise onside kick.  
 

If you line up for an onside kick, can you decide to pick it deep?  How does that work? 

Edited 11 hours ago by peterpan

[VaMilBill]

Replay assist should be there for black-and-white penalties. For example, facemasks, false starts, Offside, illegal formations, 12 men on the field, illegal hands to the face. 
 

however, they should not intervene in the case of holding or OPI or DPI or roughing the passer. Anything that is subjective. That can get very muddy and become a flag fest if that were the case. 

[djp14150]

9 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I was just wondering about that.  Is the “surprise” onside kick totally dead?  I believe it was Saints/Colts Super Bowl they opened a half with the surprise onside kick.  
 

If you line up for an onside kick, can you decide to pick it deep?  How does that work? 

Because of player position you now must declare onside kick so it kills any surprise ones

 

you could do onside kicks by saying you can’t call fair catch on a sky high kicked ball

 

another wrinkle would be nice— if you kick the ball and it lands in the zone , if it bounces in the field twice and goes out of bounds, the ball is placed at the out of bounds point.

[HardyBoy]

8 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I was just wondering about that.  Is the “surprise” onside kick totally dead?  I believe it was Saints/Colts Super Bowl they opened a half with the surprise onside kick.  
 

If you line up for an onside kick, can you decide to pick it deep?  How does that work? 

 

Totally dead and I would imagine you have to do an onside, but I'm not super familiar with the rule.

 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-new-kickoff-rules-onside-kicks-touchbacks-returns-2024/c0f89e14b7ea2e3f4c4eddb0

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[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

I think that’s exactly why it should NOT be changed.   It gives ANOTHER giant advantage to the teams with stud QBs and makes it that much harder for the 25ish teams that don’t.

 

i do think something needs to change regarding the onside kick.  Something that doubles or triples the likelihood of success to 15-20%.  Idk what that is exactly but!

also, I can imagine a scenario where a coach like Dan Campbell has a QB like Allen and  never kicks off and instead let’s “Allen” ball out on 4-15 every single time. 

 

Maybe allow more recovering players on one side? Or not allow returners to make a play on the ball until it goes 10 yards just like the recovering team?

Edited 10 hours ago by Big Turk

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, VaMilBill said:

Replay assist should be there for black-and-white penalties. For example, facemasks, false starts, Offside, illegal formations, 12 men on the field, illegal hands to the face. 
 

however, they should not intervene in the case of holding or OPI or DPI or roughing the passer. Anything that is subjective. That can get very muddy and become a flag fest if that were the case. 

This makes too much sense 💯

[Livinginthepast]

Make penalties challengeable but only 1 challenge for a coach per half. Also return the onside kicks to what they used to be. Now the restrictions make them impossible to recover.

[zow2]

There’s been some badly missed face mask penalties against QBs in at least 3 primetime games this season.  Game altering penalties if they were called like they should have been.  So i can see why that specific penalty has been mentioned. 

[Motorin']

3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Declare you are onside kicking and receiving team can only have 8 players.

 

And they have to have a hand tied behind their back and a leg in a potato sack with a teammate. 

 

Have the teams stand 10 yards apart, can't move til the ball is kicked. But it only has to go 5 yards before it's a live ball.

[Buffalo ill]

The 4th and 15 idea is terrible.  The Rams would have won 100-0 and Allen would have never touched the ball.

[Solomon Grundy]

They encourage player safety, yet they miss the multiple facemask penalties on a weekly basis. Let alone the punching of QBs in the head!!

Edited 5 hours ago by Solomon Grundy

[mannc]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

I would take our chances with an offensive play to retain possession with Allen of any distance over an onside kick 100/100.

 

Unfortunately, our defense might also have to defend such plays by the other team.