Hiring a Clock management specialist

[GoBills808]

42 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Haha how many people know football though? 😂

I don't know lol

 

For my money Tomlin is the best at managing end of game situations

[US Egg]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Lighten up Egg. This is of course all in good fun, if you weren’t able to tell by my clapping comment. 

Wasn’t directed at you, I reread after I posted it and saw it might seem so. Is this what they mean by lost in translation?

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I don't know lol

 

For my money Tomlin is the best at managing end of game situations

I have never laughed at a Tomlin late game decision I don’t think and the list of coaches I haven’t laughed at is very very short lol 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

How long does this OJT need to last? He's the fourth longest tenured coach in the league

 

Well the Eagles pulled the plug on Reid after 14 seasons.   Those 14 years were full of home playoff losses and frustration.   That SB he lost to Belichick was like a fever dream nightmare.  THEN he blew a 28 point lead in the playoffs to the Colts and lost a playoff game at home to Mike Mularkey. 😂  Even with Mahomes he blew another huge halftime lead at home to the Bengals in the AFCCG in 2022.   With Belichick washing out and then being fired the bar has gotten so much lower.   He was in a class by himself for a very, very long time.  There aren't any Joe Gibbs versus Bill Parcells matchups.   Let alone a Bill Walsh.   It's the oft-failed Reid and clever schemers with sketchy, inconsistent records like McVay and Shanahan or consistent culture guys like Tomlin, the Harbaugh bros.........and McD.    I'm sure there is someone out there who would be better than McD but I am even more sure there are a lot more who would be worse.     

 

 

Edited December 11 by BADOLBILZ

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Well the Eagles pulled the plug on Reid after 14 seasons.   Those 14 years were full of home playoff losses and frustration.   That SB he lost to Belichick was like a fever dream nightmare.  THEN he blew a 28 point lead in the playoffs to the Colts and lost a playoff game at home to Mike Mularkey. 😂  Even with Mahomes he blew another huge halftime lead at home to the Bengals in the AFCCG in 2022.   With Belichick washing out and then being fired the bar has gotten so much lower.   He was in a class by himself for a very, very long time.  There aren't any Joe Gibbs versus Bill Parcells matchups.   Let alone a Bill Walsh.   It's the oft-failed Reid and clever schemers with sketchy, inconsistent records like McVay and Shanahan or consistent culture guys like Tomlin, the Harbaugh bros.........and McD.    I'm sure there is someone out there who would be better than McD but I am even more sure there are a lot more who would be worse.     

 

 

The Eagles moving on from Reid was something they basically had to do iirc and it turned out to be mutually beneficial in the end...they also weren't operating under the fear of wasting the best QB your franchise is likely to ever roster

 

It's tough. I think the upside outweighs the downside but I get the folks who feel differently 

[Gunsgoodtime]

It's a crime McDermott don't have at least 1 SB already with Josh Allen as his QB.  He literally gets out coached every single year in the playoffs.  I expect no different from him this year

[SoCal Deek]

7 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

It's a crime McDermott don't have at least 1 SB already with Josh Allen as his QB.  He literally gets out coached every single year in the playoffs.  I expect no different from him this year

Is this what they mean by saying the quiet part out loud? 

[Mr. WEO]

13 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

I put it together from several sources.

Peter Brand. 

 

fictional characters

[MrEpsYtown]

18 hours ago, ScotSHO said:

So it was McD's job to change the play call once the ball is spotted after the PI and the 25 second play clock is started after a penalty?  Over a headset?  When Brady is calling the play into Josh?  This is some revisionist Monday morning QB hindsight crap.

 

The mistake was first caused by the OC, and then by the QB not freelancing and calling a complimentary pass with the personnel given (which is a big ask for any QB, even TB12 would admit that).  The OC has to know the situation.  Our defensive oriented HC is not an active part of that information exchange.  Imagine if the HC was trying to talk over Brady while he's calling in the typically overly verbose play call.

 

This does lend credence to having an offensive HC.  Maybe they'd think of it before the horse leaves the barn, but others routinely goof up these situations too.

 

 

 

See for me it's that they aren't prepared for the moment. As a high school coach, we practice and walk through all scenarios throughout the year. So we know if we get the ball on the 1 yard line and time is of the essence, this is the play we are running. Again, I can't fathom how they are not prepared. They should NOT be stressed in those situations because they should be prepared for that situation all year. They get paid a lot of money to do this stuff. It's literally their livelihood. It's absurd that they aren't practicing in-game scenarios and specific game situations. Every person on that sideline should have been in lockstep in how they were going to handle the end of the game. They are not and it is a major problem. That's the difference between McDermott and great coaches who win Super Bowls. 

[Billsatlastin2018]

11 hours ago, Chaos said:

I have been advocating this for years. (and mocked and derided on this board for bringing it up).  The number of  end of game situations is actually finite. Pay some MIT math genius to put together the database of situations and just have him standing near the coach the last 4 minutes of the first half, and the last 8 minutes of the fourth quarter.  No one should be calculating these situations on the fly under pressure.  During the game, we learned that Tom Brady knew the situation exactly as the situation arose.   If you had asked him before the game. "traling by nine, three timeouts, 1:20 remaining, pass or run". He would have instantly said pass only.  

 

Of course!

 

What’s worse is when EVERY half drunk Bills fan in a bar says the same! And then in the presser,you basically admit that you didn’t know the calculation of time left and TOs in that scenario… years down the road from that HO Shame ‘13 Seconds’ FUBAR…

 

WHY are you still in your HC position? 
 

Get some assistance asap or get out!

[US Egg]

Every team undoubtedly spend significant time working on clock management. It’s part of coaching criteria the same as every game aspect. It’s not something that’s recently come out of nowhere and is catching coaches unaware. When teams respond to time management in pressers it’s to placate critics, like they typically do on everything.

[DrDawkinstein]

19 hours ago, ScotSHO said:

So it was McD's job to change the play call once the ball is spotted after the PI and the 25 second play clock is started after a penalty?  Over a headset?  When Brady is calling the play into Josh?

 

Yes. That is literally his job. And if he is changing it as it is called, then he is already neglecting his duties as he should be in his OC's ear well before that pointing out the clock strategy.

 

McD admitted in his presser that he asked Brady for "our best play", so he obviously had time to communicate exactly what he wanted.

 

He failed by neglecting to say "I want our best PASS play".

 

[ScotSHO]

16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yes. That is literally his job. And if he is changing it as it is called, then he is already neglecting his duties as he should be in his OC's ear well before that pointing out the clock strategy.

 

McD admitted in his presser that he asked Brady for "our best play", so he obviously had time to communicate exactly what he wanted.

 

He failed by neglecting to say "I want our best PASS play".

 

I think the only way this gets fixed is having an offense based HC.  I suspect McD is very hands off with the offense and lets Brady (or Dorsey/Daboll before) handle it.  I liken it to a military naval vessel - the captain can't be that deep into the details.

 

The other side of the coin is :13 seconds; the part after the botched kickoff was his side of the ball.  But again I think he trusted Leslie and was hands off there as well.

 

Either he learns from this, or Pegula grows a set and replaces him.  I see neither happening.  Our only hope is 85 Bears type blowouts when the playoffs hit.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

See for me it's that they aren't prepared for the moment. As a high school coach, we practice and walk through all scenarios throughout the year. So we know if we get the ball on the 1 yard line and time is of the essence, this is the play we are running. Again, I can't fathom how they are not prepared. They should NOT be stressed in those situations because they should be prepared for that situation all year. They get paid a lot of money to do this stuff. It's literally their livelihood. It's absurd that they aren't practicing in-game scenarios and specific game situations. Every person on that sideline should have been in lockstep in how they were going to handle the end of the game. They are not and it is a major problem. That's the difference between McDermott and great coaches who win Super Bowls. 

 

Same with the 9 man punt return in this game, or going back to the kickoff in the 13 seconds game. How is everybody on the sideline not in lockstep with what the plan is ahead of time? As soon as the Rams are punting there should be 11 players ready to step onto the field either going all out to block the punt or trying to execute some kind of punt return. It just blows my mind that there are multiple situations like this over the years where there is confusion leading to a 0% chance of success. For a rookie head coach okay you accept some rough patches, but we're 8 years in and it hasn't gotten any better.

 

Edited December 11 by HappyDays

[BananaB]

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yes. That is literally his job. And if he is changing it as it is called, then he is already neglecting his duties as he should be in his OC's ear well before that pointing out the clock strategy.

 

McD admitted in his presser that he asked Brady for "our best play", so he obviously had time to communicate exactly what he wanted.

 

He failed by neglecting to say "I want our best PASS play".

 

McD knew the play and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was his suggestion. 

Edited December 11 by BananaB

[T.E.]

The fact that McDermott clearly hasn't learned a single thing over the last few years regarding clock management and timeout usage is very troubling. Couple that with the fact that he is a defensive coach whose defense routinely disappears in big games - games where he seemingly can't make adjustments at any point - and you have to ask yourself where he is actually contributing.

 

There are lots of guys who can consistently go 11-6 or 12-5 or whatever with Josh Allen as their QB In a relatively weak division. I'm not sure how much longer he can hang his hat on that.

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Of course!

 

What’s worse is when EVERY half drunk Bills fan in a bar says the same! And then in the presser,you basically admit that you didn’t know the calculation of time left and TOs in that scenario… years down the road from that HO Shame ‘13 Seconds’ FUBAR…

 

WHY are you still in your HC position? 
 

Get some assistance asap or get out!

This is it, right? Who here didn't think or say "don't use a timeout because you need them to stop the clock 3 times (to get a 3 and out on D) to leave sufficient time to mount another scoring drive after you score to make it a one score game and kick off and don't run the ball because if you don't get into the end zone the clock won't stop and you can't use a time out because you need all 3 for after the kickoff if you score or else if you use 1 of the 3 time outs the only option it leaves you is an onside kick which has an extremely low probability of success.

 

So what happens? They run the ball and then call time out which leaves the low probability onside kick as the only option. And we all bang our heads against the wall!

Edited December 11 by All_Pro_Bills

[ScotSHO]

29 minutes ago, T.E. said:

The fact that McDermott clearly hasn't learned a single thing over the last few years regarding clock management and timeout usage is very troubling. Couple that with the fact that he is a defensive coach whose defense routinely disappears in big games - games where he seemingly can't make adjustments at any point - and you have to ask yourself where he is actually contributing.

 

There are lots of guys who can consistently go 11-6 or 12-5 or whatever with Josh Allen as their QB In a relatively weak division. I'm not sure how much longer he can hang his hat on that.

As long as Terrance can provide a hat hook, which I suspect is a long-assed-time.  (see how well the Sabres are run)

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, ScotSHO said:

I think the only way this gets fixed is having an offense based HC.  I suspect McD is very hands off with the offense and lets Brady (or Dorsey/Daboll before) handle it.  I liken it to a military naval vessel - the captain can't be that deep into the details.

 

The other side of the coin is :13 seconds; the part after the botched kickoff was his side of the ball.  But again I think he trusted Leslie and was hands off there as well.

 

Either he learns from this, or Pegula grows a set and replaces him.  I see neither happening.  Our only hope is 85 Bears type blowouts when the playoffs hit.

 

Offense, Defense, or Special Teams, any coach should be aware of the clock strategy in these situations.

 

He should know it from a Defensive perspective of "I hope they run here and keep the clock running, but I should be prepared for a pass since only a moron would allow his team to run it".