Hiring a Clock management specialist

[BADOLBILZ]

If Patrick Mahomes doesn't come along.........Andy Reid's legacy is probably as the all-time leader in games blown by bad clock management.    He has been brutal throughout his career.  

 

I know we think that McD has Allen so he should be winning SB's too...........but Reid had about a 20 year head start of making mistakes and learning from them before he got his truly elite QB.

 

The Bills are a traditionally inept organization.  And let's not kid ourselves, at this point, they are 2 moves away(losing Allen and then firing McDermott) from returning there(see Sabres, Buffalo).   And they certainly weren't going to get an established, high quality HC and have him acclimate for another 5-6 seasons and THEN give him that GOAT level QB like KC was able to pull off.   No f#cking chance Reid was coming to work for Ralph or Terry Pegula back then.  

 

For Buffalo, this had to happen all at once with a 3rd choice level rookie HC or it wasn't happening at all.   So now they have a first time HC who has outperformed his pedigree for 7+ seasons and also still have had back to back inexperienced OC's and now a young DC etc..  No rookie OC has won a SB since Mike Holmgren with SF in the 1980's and that shouldn't even count since it was on cruise control from Bill Walsh.   Experience matters more often than not and the Bills often haven't had that in their coaches.  So it's been a relatively sloppy process watching McD and Allen evolve simultaneously and knowing they are at a disadvantage against a seasoned combo like Reid and Spags.  

 

If the right HC who will work with Beane is out there that will almost certainly upgrade what McBeane has been.........then bring it on.   But I think with each passing season that becomes less likely to find.  And don't make assumptions that they will be better at game management if they are new just because they were a clever play caller.   See how y'alls boy Daboll has done as a HC.   Trash.  Most of the OTHER best regarded HC's in the NFL would merely be lateral moves at best to an 8+ year seasoned McD.   If McVay wants to move to Buffalo I'd be interested.   Not happening, and you'd always have to be wondering when he'd quit for the booth if it somehow did.   Shanahan is like 0-forever/whenever against Reid so pass.   Sirianni?  GTFOH. 😂 

 

Who we getting that we know won't make game management mistakes but can beat Reid sometimes?   Ben Johnson?   We have no idea if he can handle play calling and being HC and you only want him if he's play calling.   The reality is that as much of a bummer as it is to watch McD grow into the job, the AFC west would be lined up to hire McDermott because he's 5-1 against Reid in the regular season and played him close in the playoffs twice.

[SoCal Deek]

So if I understand this correctly the Bills need to hire a guy that will to the job they’re already paying the head coach to do on game day? What’s next? Are we going to pay a designated clapper? 

[MJS]

8 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

i was hoping you'd be able to make the simple inference

 

if you need a new clock management specialist you need a new HC-->many coaches struggle w clock management = single worst example in recent memory(mcdermott struggles more than other coaches)-->many coaches do not in fact struggle w clock management to the same degree as the HC in mention

 

hope this helps

It seems you don't watch other teams. There are clock management blunders in just about every single game. I disagree that McDermott's issues are worse than the rest of the league.

 

Can you provide evidence that he is the worst? Is there some kind of analysis you have done? Otherwise, your claim is just hyperbole and bluster.

[Returntoglory]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

So if I understand this correctly the Bills need to hire a guy that will to the job they’re already paying the head coach to do on game day? What’s next? Are we going to pay a designated clapper? 

Well, as a former upper management type, I had subordinate types that were there to take on certain tasks for me so that I could focus on my main responsibilities. 

 

Speaking from a purely personal and my first-hand experiences,  it made me a better manager and also, made my company far better due to my ability to delegate. 

 

In this day and age of " Win at all costs" , why is it such a bad idea?

[GoBills808]

Just now, MJS said:

It seems you don't watch other teams. There are clock management blunders in just about every single game. I disagree that McDermott's issues are worse than the rest of the league.

 

Can you provide evidence that he is the worst? Is there some kind of analysis you have done? Otherwise, your claim is just hyperbole and bluster.

foh w don't watch other teams lol i watch the nfl like its my side job

 

i can't remember a moment so easy to understand and a coach failing so miserably at grasping it as i have this last sunday. hence- the worst

[MJS]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

If Patrick Mahomes doesn't come along.........Andy Reid's legacy is probably as the all-time leader in games blown by bad clock management.    He has been brutal throughout his career.  

 

I know we think that McD has Allen so he should be winning SB's too...........but Reid had about a 20 year head start of making mistakes and learning from them before he got his truly elite QB.

 

The Bills are a traditionally inept organization.  And let's not kid ourselves, at this point, they are 2 moves away(losing Allen and then firing McDermott) from returning there(see Sabres, Buffalo).   And they certainly weren't going to get an established, high quality HC and have him acclimate for another 5-6 seasons and THEN give him that GOAT level QB like KC was able to pull off.   No f#cking chance Reid was coming to work for Ralph or Terry Pegula back then.  

 

For Buffalo, this had to happen all at once with a 3rd choice level rookie HC or it wasn't happening at all.   So now they have a first time HC who has outperformed his pedigree for 7+ seasons and also still have had back to back inexperienced OC's and now a young DC etc..  No rookie OC has won a SB since Mike Holmgren with SF in the 1980's and that shouldn't even count since it was on cruise control from Bill Walsh.   Experience matters more often than not and the Bills often haven't had that in their coaches.  So it's been a relatively sloppy process watching McD and Allen evolve simultaneously and knowing they are at a disadvantage against a seasoned combo like Reid and Spags.  

 

If the right HC who will work with Beane is out there that will almost certainly upgrade what McBeane has been.........then bring it on.   But I think with each passing season that becomes less likely to find.  And don't make assumptions that they will be better at game management if they are new just because they were a clever play caller.   See how y'alls boy Daboll has done as a HC.   Trash.  Most of the OTHER best regarded HC's in the NFL would merely be lateral moves at best to an 8+ year seasoned McD.   If McVay wants to move to Buffalo I'd be interested.   Not happening, and you'd always have to be wondering when he'd quit for the booth if it somehow did.   Shanahan is like 0-forever/whenever against Reid so pass.   Sirianni?  GTFOH. 😂 

 

Who we getting that we know won't make game management mistakes but can beat Reid sometimes?   Ben Johnson?   We have no idea if he can handle play calling and being HC and you only want him if he's play calling.   The reality is that as much of a bummer as it is to watch McD grow into the job, the AFC west would be lined up to hire McDermott because he's 5-1 against Reid in the regular season and played him close in the playoffs twice.

Excellent post. One of the best I've seen.

[Chaos]

8 hours ago, Success said:

I don't see why this can't be considered.

 

A HC has a few dozen things to think about in a situation like this past Sunday at the end of the game.  Just a guy up in the booth who sees the entire picture and can advise on something basic like that would benefit.

 

I don't disagree w/ people saying that it's part of the HC's job - but a lot of HC's do botch this aspect of the game, and they're not superhuman. There is a lot they have to think about at that point of a game.

 

I have been advocating this for years. (and mocked and derided on this board for bringing it up).  The number of  end of game situations is actually finite. Pay some MIT math genius to put together the database of situations and just have him standing near the coach the last 4 minutes of the first half, and the last 8 minutes of the fourth quarter.  No one should be calculating these situations on the fly under pressure.  During the game, we learned that Tom Brady knew the situation exactly as the situation arose.   If you had asked him before the game. "traling by nine, three timeouts, 1:20 remaining, pass or run". He would have instantly said pass only.  

 

[FitzShowUsYourTitz]

9 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

Seems to be, the Achilles heel of McD is Clock management. 

 

"The head coach is responsible for managing the clock in the NFL to maximize a team's chances of winning or tying the game in regulation. Clock management is a significant part of the game, not just in the final moments. ".

 

That being said, would it not be wise for Beane to hire a clock management specialist?

 

Maybe he can't think that fast on his feet?

The other foot - errr achilles called and is pissed at the OP!

 

Signed,

The Challenge Flag

[Fan boy '92]

I think you just have to know that you need three timeouts to get the ball back under two minutes. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

To go on a bit of a tangent.... why didn't we use our timeouts prior to the 2 minute warning on the Rams last TD drive?

 

Had we used our 3 timeouts on the 3 plays after the 4th down conversion we get the ball back with ~3:30 left and still have the 2 minute warning stoppage

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

If Patrick Mahomes doesn't come along.........Andy Reid's legacy is probably as the all-time leader in games blown by bad clock management.    He has been brutal throughout his career.  

 

I know we think that McD has Allen so he should be winning SB's too...........but Reid had about a 20 year head start of making mistakes and learning from them before he got his truly elite QB.

 

The Bills are a traditionally inept organization.  And let's not kid ourselves, at this point, they are 2 moves away(losing Allen and then firing McDermott) from returning there(see Sabres, Buffalo).   And they certainly weren't going to get an established, high quality HC and have him acclimate for another 5-6 seasons and THEN give him that GOAT level QB like KC was able to pull off.   No f#cking chance Reid was coming to work for Ralph or Terry Pegula back then.  

 

For Buffalo, this had to happen all at once with a 3rd choice level rookie HC or it wasn't happening at all.   So now they have a first time HC who has outperformed his pedigree for 7+ seasons and also still have had back to back inexperienced OC's and now a young DC etc..  No rookie OC has won a SB since Mike Holmgren with SF in the 1980's and that shouldn't even count since it was on cruise control from Bill Walsh.   Experience matters more often than not and the Bills often haven't had that in their coaches.  So it's been a relatively sloppy process watching McD and Allen evolve simultaneously and knowing they are at a disadvantage against a seasoned combo like Reid and Spags.  

 

If the right HC who will work with Beane is out there that will almost certainly upgrade what McBeane has been.........then bring it on.   But I think with each passing season that becomes less likely to find.  And don't make assumptions that they will be better at game management if they are new just because they were a clever play caller.   See how y'alls boy Daboll has done as a HC.   Trash.  Most of the OTHER best regarded HC's in the NFL would merely be lateral moves at best to an 8+ year seasoned McD.   If McVay wants to move to Buffalo I'd be interested.   Not happening, and you'd always have to be wondering when he'd quit for the booth if it somehow did.   Shanahan is like 0-forever/whenever against Reid so pass.   Sirianni?  GTFOH. 😂 

 

Who we getting that we know won't make game management mistakes but can beat Reid sometimes?   Ben Johnson?   We have no idea if he can handle play calling and being HC and you only want him if he's play calling.   The reality is that as much of a bummer as it is to watch McD grow into the job, the AFC west would be lined up to hire McDermott because he's 5-1 against Reid in the regular season and played him close in the playoffs twice.

How long does this OJT need to last? He's the fourth longest tenured coach in the league

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

If Patrick Mahomes doesn't come along.........Andy Reid's legacy is probably as the all-time leader in games blown by bad clock management.    He has been brutal throughout his career.  

 

I know we think that McD has Allen so he should be winning SB's too...........but Reid had about a 20 year head start of making mistakes and learning from them before he got his truly elite QB.

 

The Bills are a traditionally inept organization.  And let's not kid ourselves, at this point, they are 2 moves away(losing Allen and then firing McDermott) from returning there(see Sabres, Buffalo).   And they certainly weren't going to get an established, high quality HC and have him acclimate for another 5-6 seasons and THEN give him that GOAT level QB like KC was able to pull off.   No f#cking chance Reid was coming to work for Ralph or Terry Pegula back then.  

 

For Buffalo, this had to happen all at once with a 3rd choice level rookie HC or it wasn't happening at all.   So now they have a first time HC who has outperformed his pedigree for 7+ seasons and also still have had back to back inexperienced OC's and now a young DC etc..  No rookie OC has won a SB since Mike Holmgren with SF in the 1980's and that shouldn't even count since it was on cruise control from Bill Walsh.   Experience matters more often than not and the Bills often haven't had that in their coaches.  So it's been a relatively sloppy process watching McD and Allen evolve simultaneously and knowing they are at a disadvantage against a seasoned combo like Reid and Spags.  

 

If the right HC who will work with Beane is out there that will almost certainly upgrade what McBeane has been.........then bring it on.   But I think with each passing season that becomes less likely to find.  And don't make assumptions that they will be better at game management if they are new just because they were a clever play caller.   See how y'alls boy Daboll has done as a HC.   Trash.  Most of the OTHER best regarded HC's in the NFL would merely be lateral moves at best to an 8+ year seasoned McD.   If McVay wants to move to Buffalo I'd be interested.   Not happening, and you'd always have to be wondering when he'd quit for the booth if it somehow did.   Shanahan is like 0-forever/whenever against Reid so pass.   Sirianni?  GTFOH. 😂 

 

Who we getting that we know won't make game management mistakes but can beat Reid sometimes?   Ben Johnson?   We have no idea if he can handle play calling and being HC and you only want him if he's play calling.   The reality is that as much of a bummer as it is to watch McD grow into the job, the AFC west would be lined up to hire McDermott because he's 5-1 against Reid in the regular season and played him close in the playoffs twice.

Nothing irritates me more than people talking about Reid like he’s been some kind of game management genius his whole career haha 

 

heck he should’ve blown that raiders game with that 4th and 2 incomplete pass just a couple weeks ago and got bailed out by dumb luck 🤣

Edited December 11 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Allen2Moulds]

6 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

ONLY…. 3 Pass Plays with 1:06 left! 

 

So, I do not understand the call, if it is to run! Cannot do anything but throw so that you save max amount of time.

 

Score at 1:02 or 0:58 or 0:54.

 

So that… when you kick deep, you hope to have 0:30 left with the ball at your 35-40.

 

I trust Allen to move that ball into FG position. 

100%

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Returntoglory said:

Well, as a former upper management type, I had subordinate types that were there to take on certain tasks for me so that I could focus on my main responsibilities. 

 

Speaking from a purely personal and my first-hand experiences,  it made me a better manager and also, made my company far better due to my ability to delegate. 

 

In this day and age of " Win at all costs" , why is it such a bad idea?

Upper management? I was the President of a major corporation. Delegation is way way over rated. 😉

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Nothing irritates me more than people talking about Reid like he’s been some kind of game management genius his whole career haha 

 

heck he should’ve blown that raiders game with that 4th and 2 incomplete pass just a couple weeks ago and got bailed out by dumb luck 🤣

Nobody who knows football talks about Reid like that, they just acknowledge how things turned around for him once he got a top QB

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

Nobody who knows football talks about Reid like that, they just acknowledge how things turned around for him once he got a top QB

Haha how many people know football though? 😂

[Returntoglory]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Upper management? I was the President of a major corporation. Delegation is way way over rated. 😉

Haha.

 

Depends how well you run your company and also, how well you delegate 😉

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

So if I understand this correctly the Bills need to hire a guy that will to the job they’re already paying the head coach to do on game day? What’s next? Are we going to pay a designated clapper? 

This spin here is just another McDermott is incompetent hatchet job. There aren’t any clear examples of other HC’s being uniquely better than him at time management. Analogies it works in business so it’s transferable is so apples and oranges.

[SoCal Deek]

28 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

Haha.

 

Depends how well you run your company and also, how well you delegate 😉

I ran it extremely successfully for over twenty years. I’m betting you’d have loved working there….pretty much everyone did. 😁

28 minutes ago, US Egg said:

This spin here is just another McDermott is incompetent hatchet job. There aren’t any clear examples of other HC’s being uniquely better than him at time management. Analogies it works in business so it’s transferable is so apples and oranges.

Lighten up Egg. This is of course all in good fun, if you weren’t able to tell by my clapping comment. 

[Returntoglory]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I ran it extremely successfully for over twenty years. I’m betting you’d have loved working there….pretty much everyone did. 😁

Lighten up Egg. This is of course all in good fun, if you weren’t able to tell by my clapping comment. 

Sounds like my kind of company!