Returntoglory Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Seems to be, the Achilles heel of McD is Clock management. "The head coach is responsible for managing the clock in the NFL to maximize a team's chances of winning or tying the game in regulation. Clock management is a significant part of the game, not just in the final moments. ". That being said, would it not be wise for Beane to hire a clock management specialist? Maybe he can't think that fast on his feet? 2 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 if you need a clock management specialist you need a new HC 5 17 1 1 12 Quote
JohnBonhamRocks Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, GoBills808 said: if you need a clock management specialist you need a new HC This was my first thought, and I’m not as harsh a critic of McDermott as most 1 1 Quote
Logic Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, GoBills808 said: if you need a clock management specialist you need a new HC The majority of teams in the NFL need new head coaches, then. Clock management is an issue across the league. 4 4 Quote
Rigotz Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Clock Management Specialist, Rules Specialist, Challenge Specialist, Offensive Coordinator who calls all the plays, Defensive Coordinator who calls all the plays, end of game "dont F it up" specialist. If we get all of this right, McDermott will be in position to be an incredible Head Coach. 4 3 3 Quote
GoBills808 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, Logic said: The majority of teams in the NFL need new head coaches, then. Clock management is an issue across the league. im not going to pretend that what McDermott just did wasn't the single worst example i've seen in recent memory. you and others can tho 1 1 1 1 Quote
zow2 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 It's embarrassing for McD, but maybe just as much for his staff giving him advice and recommendations from the booth. It was pretty clear as McD stumbled through his answer in the post game presser than he didn't think about the ramifications of using that 3rd timeout. He said yesterday in his media call that they've "learned from it". Ok i guess. 2 1 Quote
Logic Posted December 10 Posted December 10 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: im not going to pretend that what McDermott just did wasn't the single worst example i've seen in recent memory. you and others can tho Straw man. Quote
GoBills808 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, Logic said: Straw man. the topic is McDermott hiring a clock management guy and you bring up 'well it's an issue leaguewide' strawman indeed 1 3 Quote
Success Posted December 10 Posted December 10 I don't see why this can't be considered. A HC has a few dozen things to think about in a situation like this past Sunday at the end of the game. Just a guy up in the booth who sees the entire picture and can advise on something basic like that would benefit. I don't disagree w/ people saying that it's part of the HC's job - but a lot of HC's do botch this aspect of the game, and they're not superhuman. There is a lot they have to think about at that point of a game. 1 2 Quote
Logic Posted December 10 Posted December 10 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: the topic is McDermott hiring a clock management guy and you bring up 'well it's an issue leaguewide' strawman indeed I don't think you know what "straw man" means. 1 1 Quote
msw2112 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 While they may not need to hire someone to do this, they should appoint someone on staff who has a brain to fill that role. McDermott is a great coach in many ways, but this is obviously not a strength. 1 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 1 minute ago, Logic said: I don't think you know what "straw man" means. 😂😂Enlighten me Quote
Logic Posted December 10 Posted December 10 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: 😂😂Enlighten me Sure. I'll save you the trip to Google: "A straw man fallacy is a rhetorical device where someone argues against an imaginary or weak opposition instead of the actual argument being discussed. The goal is to distract from the original topic and make the argument seem infallible". So me replying to your statement "if you need a clock management specialist, you need a new HC" by pointing out that many coaches in the league struggle with clock management and, thus, according to your logic, many teams in the league need new head coaches, would not constitute a straw man. On the other hand, you suggesting that I implied that McDermott's clock blunder "wasn't the single worst example in recent memory" -- when I said no such thing anywhere -- so that you could (as the definition suggests) argue against an imaginary or weak opposition instead of the actual argument being discussed? THAT'S a straw man. Hope this helps. 1 1 1 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted December 10 Posted December 10 22 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: if you need a clock management specialist you need a new HC I clicked the thread to type this exactly. It's a major part of the job description. It would be like me telling my boss they need to hire an assistant for me who knows how to use MS Office products because I cant figure them out. 1 1 Quote
GoBills808 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 1 minute ago, Logic said: Sure. I'll save you the trip to Google: "A straw man fallacy is a rhetorical device where someone argues against an imaginary or weak opposition instead of the actual argument being discussed. The goal is to distract from the original topic and make the argument seem infallible". So me replying to your statement "if you need a clock management specialist, you need a new HC" by pointing out that many coaches in the league struggle with clock management and, thus, according to your logic, many teams in the league need new head coaches, would not constitute a straw man. On the other hand, you suggesting that I implied that McDermott's clock blunder "wasn't the single worst example in recent memory" -- when I said no such thing anywhere -- so that you could (as the definition suggests) argue against an imaginary or weak opposition instead of the actual argument being discussed? THAT'S a straw man. Hope this helps. i was hoping you'd be able to make the simple inference if you need a new clock management specialist you need a new HC-->many coaches struggle w clock management = single worst example in recent memory(mcdermott struggles more than other coaches)-->many coaches do not in fact struggle w clock management to the same degree as the HC in mention hope this helps 1 2 1 Quote
Billsatlastin2018 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: if you need a clock management specialist you need a new HC Likely. McD is a very good HC. But end of half/ game time management is clearly his Achilles heel! We don’t want a ‘very good’ Andy Reid Eagles HC. We want the Andy Chiefs SB version! We can all point to multiple games where McD kept TOs in his pocket going to the half,during the early part of his/Allen’s tenure. We can all point to his misuse of taking TOs in gams as critical as ‘13 Seconds’, plus being clued out about what to do. Likewise, we can all point out to several failures in the use of time- bleeding it off too fast and setting up nada OR most critically, not letting it bleed down to a tie/win situation with ZERO time left for the opposition to come back! THAT IS A CRITICAL, CRITICAL COMPONENT OF BEING A CHAMPIONSHIP HC COACH! If we were being charitable, we’d give him a ‘D’ in these types of games! Bonus negative marks: He can’t ***** count the number of players on the field for the final plays! 🙄 Good enough for participation playoffs trophies. Never, ever for Lombardi! 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted December 10 Posted December 10 22 minutes ago, Logic said: The majority of teams in the NFL need new head coaches, then. Clock management is an issue across the league. What are the examples from this season that directly cost teams games? Eberflus letting the clock run out against the Packers. Fired the next day. What others? Quote
Billsatlastin2018 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 20 minutes ago, zow2 said: It was pretty clear as McD stumbled through his answer in the post game presser than he didn't think about the ramifications of using that 3rd timeout. He said yesterday in his media call that they've "learned from it". Ok i guess. Sorry, that’s not embarrassing! It’s totally ***** unacceptable! If you’re too stupid to fail to comprehend that scenario, you’re obviously too stupid to be this team’s HC! 1 Quote
Success Posted December 10 Posted December 10 I bet if we did this & it showed demonstrable results, most of the league would have one in 5 years. As others have said - clock management is something a lot of coaches simply aren't that good at. 1 1 Quote
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