Belichick to UNC

[eball]

A lot of ignorance in this thread. If Belichick can get the NIL money (currently UNC’s NIL budget for football is around 5M, it needs to be 5x that) there is no reason to think he can’t immediately make the Heels a perennial playoff contender. Kids will flock to be coached by one of the greatest and play at a beautiful university to boot. 
 

I don’t know whether the deal gets done but as an alum I’m behind it 100%. 
 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, eball said:

A lot of ignorance in this thread. If Belichick can get the NIL money (currently UNC’s NIL budget for football is around 5M, it needs to be 5x that) there is no reason to think he can’t immediately make the Heels a perennial playoff contender. Kids will flock to be coached by one of the greatest and play at a beautiful university to boot. 
 

I don’t know whether the deal gets done but as an alum I’m behind it 100%. 
 

Oh I'm sure as an alumni you're 100% behind it 

 

BB is the greatest game planner and tactician of all time 

 

He might only be there for 3 to 5 years... And the first year might be a building of the foundation 

 

But years two through five could absolutely be something special... The only problem is the generation 

 

BB is a hard nose coach who is used to dealing with professionals who are adults... Not these millennial kids who don't take to hard coaching the same 

 

Coaching pros and coaching amateurs is different.. very different 

 

But if he could get the kids to buy in... I could see him getting a national championship in 3 4 years

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

It figures Belichick would have a 400 page plan.   

 

And one that includes a GM to handle the stuff he doesn't like such as NIL and recruiting.  

 

 

IMO He'll have to be involved in recruiting. His face and  his presence are his biggest recruiting weapons. Wouldn't be surprised to see him demanding a helicopter and a pilot.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Oh I'm sure as an alumni you're 100% behind it 

 

BB is the greatest game planner and tactician of all time 

 

He might only be there for 3 to 5 years... And the first year might be a building of the foundation 

 

But years two through five could absolutely be something special... The only problem is the generation 

 

BB is a hard nose coach who is used to dealing with professionals who are adults... Not these millennial kids who don't take to hard coaching the same 

 

Coaching pros and coaching amateurs is different.. very different 

 

But if he could get the kids to buy in... I could see him getting a national championship in 3 4 years

 

I mean look at how quickly Deion turned around Colorado even after the first year which was a near disaster.

 

Year 2 they go 10-2 after being a 1 win team 3 years ago.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean look at how quickly Deion turned around Colorado even after the first year which was a near disaster.

 

Year 2 they go 10-2 after being a 1 win team 3 years ago.

Colorado was 9 and 3 and had the easiest schedule in the conference 

 

Taylor made with all the tougher games at home

 

They're certainly not built anywhere near a top 15 team and Sanders is absolutely leaving really soon maybe after his son leaves 

 

He does have the best player in college football in Travis Hunter

[Big Turk]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Colorado was 9 and 3 and had the easiest schedule in the conference 

 

Taylor made with all the tougher games at home

 

They're certainly not built anywhere near a top 15 team and Sanders is absolutely leaving really soon maybe after his son leaves 

 

He does have the best player in college football in Travis Hunter

 

It doesn't matter...that was a 1 win team going nowhere that nobody cared about, not even the people in Colorado when he got there.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It doesn't matter...that was a 1 win team going nowhere that nobody cared about, not even the people in Colorado when he got there.

The difference is deion Sanders is a player's coach 

 

He lets his players have a lot of fun and have lives outside of football 

 

BB is a control freak who needs to be in control of everything... He's going to have to recruit different style of kid than Sanders 

 

Most 5 stars nowadays don't want a hard nose coach... They want a Yes Man ... Travis Hunter gave Sanders the ultimatum of playing both sides or he's not going to Colorado .. guess who won the player

 

Bill is going to have to find football players who want to play football 

 

Not just earn a paycheck and not just want to coast to the league..

 

Bill is the coach who's going to have to get four star guys love to play football and three star gems 

 

The way he coached in the NFL and his personality.. he's not going to be able to deal with top 25 high school recruits who have been told their s*** don't stink their whole life

Edited December 11 by Buffalo716

[Big Turk]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

The difference is deion Sanders is a player's coach 

 

He lets his players have a lot of fun and have lives outside of football 

 

BB is a control freak who needs to be in control of everything... He's going to have to recruit different style of kid than Sanders 

 

Most 5 stars nowadays don't want a hard nose coach... They want a Yes Man 

 

Bill is going to have to find football players who want to play football 

 

Not just earn a paycheck and not just want to coast to the league..

 

Bill is the coach who's going to have to get four star guys love to play football and three star gems 

 

The way he coached in the NFL and his personality.. he's not going to be able to deal with top 25 high school recruits who have been told their s*** don't stink their whole life

 

Agree...Deion's teams are largely teams with a lot of talent that are bad at fundamental football and details which is why they usually get steamrolled by good teams that have those things dialed in.

 

BB won't have it...and he is going to have to adjust somewhat because how he was in the NFL isn't going to work in college.

 

 But he will still likely have players flocking to play for him and be coached by one of the greatest coaches of all time and a living legend.

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Agree...Deion's teams are largely teams with a lot of talent that are bad at fundamental football and details which is why they usually get steamrolled by good teams that have those things dialed in.

 

BB won't have it...and he is going to have to adjust somewhat because how he was in the NFL isn't going to work in college.

 

 But he will still likely have players flocking to play for him and be coached by one of the greatest coaches of all time and a living legend.

 

Yes like I said he's going to have to have a certain style of player 

 

At the end of the day there are 400 four-star players a year... Where there is a lot of pure football talent 

 

Finding 25 of those guys a year who are pure football players who love the game.. will turn around program faster than getting three five-star guys who could care less

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes like I said he's going to have to have a certain style of player 

 

At the end of the day there are 400 four-star players a year... Where there is a lot of pure football talent 

 

Finding 25 of those guys a year who are pure football players who love the game.. will turn around program faster than getting three five-star guys who could care less

 

 

 

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with your premise but 25 four-star players would give you the #1 ranked class.    Expectations would be thru the roof even without some fives.   There aren't usually close to 400 of them fours so it's hard to get a full class of nothing but them.   There's only 30-35 five-stars typically and we know a lot of those will be busts and Beane will pick some of them up in UDFA one day.   So it's the 300-325 four stars and probably more importantly the 2,000 or so three-stars that do most of the work.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with your premise but 25 four-star players would give you the #1 ranked class.    Expectations would be thru the roof even without some fives.   There aren't usually close to 400 of them fours so it's hard to get a full class of nothing but them.   There's only 30-35 five-stars typically and we know a lot of those will be busts and Beane will pick some of them up in UDFA one day.   So it's the 300-325 four stars and probably more importantly the 2,000 or so three-stars that do most of the work.

Of course I'm talking in a perfect world where you rebuild in two years 

 

They're typically are 350 to 400 4 stars every class.. because as you know recruiting services are not equal 

 

Some services will give four stars to a kid while the other gives them three 

 

So that typically leaves 400 kids 

 

Getting 25 four stars would probably give you a top one or two or three class in the country... But you need consistent top 10 classes or a few top five classes to win a national championship now 

 

Of course even in the five stars there are busts... But top recruits are going to get the most resources and money thrown at them 

 

If you look at Blue Chip rankings .. aka the percentage of players on a team that are four star or five star when they win championships 

 

It's an insanely high percentage 

 

Three stars do make up the bulk of NFL draft prospects.. but that's because there's 3,000 of them a year.. while there's only 350 to 400 4 stars... And 30 5 Stars...

 

So buy a number pool there's a lot more to choose from 

 

But he needs the 10 best three stars in the country... With 15 or 20 4 stars or higher to make a serious run

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, eball said:

A lot of ignorance in this thread. If Belichick can get the NIL money (currently UNC’s NIL budget for football is around 5M, it needs to be 5x that) there is no reason to think he can’t immediately make the Heels a perennial playoff contender. Kids will flock to be coached by one of the greatest and play at a beautiful university to boot. 
 

I don’t know whether the deal gets done but as an alum I’m behind it 100%. 
 

I dunno - I've been a UNC fan for a while and my daughter's an alum but I wouldn't want the miserable mumbling cheating POS anywhere near the school.  Worse yet - after a year or two freaking Steve Bellichick - Steve Bellichick! - is your freaking coach!  Would much rather have UNC stay a 'basketball school' and let football games be the nice distraction they are today

Edited December 11 by stevewin

[Mister Defense]

Not true, not  a done deal, but  the OP states it definitively.

 

Seems unlikely just based on that short reading on it.

 

Very misleading.

[SirAndrew]

One of the greatest coaches of all time, but why do we assume he can game plan for a college team? The guy couldn’t even win in the NFL without Brady. What makes people think he knows modern college football offense?

[eball]

7 hours ago, stevewin said:

I dunno - I've been a UNC fan for a while and my daughter's an alum but I wouldn't want the miserable mumbling cheating POS anywhere near the school.  Worse yet - after a year or two freaking Steve Bellichick - Steve Bellichick! - is your freaking coach!  Would much rather have UNC stay a 'basketball school' and let football games be the nice distraction they are today

 

Your thoughts are shared by many Carolina fans; I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that a lot of us think differently.  I’ve always dreamed of us being a legitimate football school as well.  The times have changed and this is our chance to show we will compete and be one of those top schools.

 

[GunnerBill]

My take on the pros and cons from Bill's perspective.

 

Pros:

- total control

- east coast

- transfer portal and NIL means its possible to turn a programme around quickly

- ACC is weak meaning 12 team playoff is achievable maybe even year 1

- chance to be only the 4th man to win a National Championship and a Superbowl

- avoids any risk of failing in a new NFL spot and damaging his legacy.

 

Cons:

- he will hate recruiting

- his schemes are about smarts and no mental mistakes (not well suited to teenagers?)

- limited practice time

- won't break Shula's record

- doesn't get a chance to prove he can build an NFL winner without Tom.

[Big Turk]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not necessarily disagreeing with your premise but 25 four-star players would give you the #1 ranked class.    Expectations would be thru the roof even without some fives.   There aren't usually close to 400 of them fours so it's hard to get a full class of nothing but them.   There's only 30-35 five-stars typically and we know a lot of those will be busts and Beane will pick some of them up in UDFA one day.   So it's the 300-325 four stars and probably more importantly the 2,000 or so three-stars that do most of the work.

 

It's always fascinating to me how scouting is such an imperfect science.

 

Allen was a 0 star recruit and might be the best football player of all time.

 

How could so many scouts and talent evaluators get it so wrong?

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

It's always fascinating to me how scouting is such an imperfect science.

 

Allen was a 0 star recruit and might be the best football player of all time.

 

How could so many scouts and talent evaluators get it so wrong?

 

Wasn't it a late growth spurt?

[Chicken Boo]

18 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

Why? You think Deion is staying after his kids are gone? No shot. At least not with Colorado. Maybe this coming year. Maybe. I can 100 percent seem him moving on to a bigger job this season so he doesn't have to recruit another QB.

 

I have no doubt that he'd leave for a bigger program when its offered, but the portal is always there.  

[TBBills Fan]

3 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

One of the greatest coaches of all time, but why do we assume he can game plan for a college team? The guy couldn’t even win in the NFL without Brady. What makes people think he knows modern college football offense?

The man had lived, breathed and coached football his entire life.  Has accomplished more than any other coach in the NFL....might be reasons to many lol

Edited December 11 by TBBills Fan