Josh Allen, most total TD's in first 8 seasons.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

coaching

 

At some point, your players need to make plays. You can blame coaching all you want but if we had a defensive player like the Chiefs have in Chris Jones that takes over a game in the playoffs coaching wouldn't matter much.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

At some point, your players need to make plays. You can blame coaching all you want but if we had a defensive player like the Chiefs have in Chris Jones that takes over a game in the playoffs coaching wouldn't matter much.

 

Josh Allen takes over games, not opposing D linemen.  

 

Coaches get players ready to play and call the game.  Both of these aspects of coaching (poorly) were on clear display Sunday, to remind you.

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Josh Allen takes over games, not opposing D linemen.  

 

Coaches get players ready to play and call the game.  Both of these aspects of coaching (poorly) were on clear display Sunday, to remind you.

 

We need a player on the defense who plays that role like the Chiefs do in Jones.

 

If you don't think he does that then I think you should probably go watch their playoff games again.

 

He is every bit as responsible for their Super Bowls as Mahomes is because late in games when the other team is about to score to take the lead somehow, someway Jones makes a play to prevent it. Almost every single game.

Edited Tuesday at 03:19 PM by Big Turk

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

We need a player on the defense who plays that role like the Chiefs do in Jones.

 

If you don't think he did that then I think you should probably go watch their playoff games again.

 

He is every bit as responsible for their Super Bowls as Mahomes is because late in games when the other team is about to score to take the lead somehow, someway Jones makes a play to prevent it. Almost every single game.

 

No way.

 

In 3 playoff games vs Jones and the Chiefs, KC gave up 84 points to Josh and Co.  Unfortunately, McD's D gave up 107.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

No way.

 

In 3 playoff games vs Jones and the Chiefs, KC gave up 84 points to Josh and Co.  Unfortunately, McD's D gave up 107.

 

And he was directly responsible for Allen's pass being incomplete to a wide open Shakir in the end zone which would have given the Bills the lead late in the game by shoving Dawkins into Allen's shoulder.

 

I suggest you go watch the last half of the 4th quarter in the Chiefs playoffs wins and count how many plays he is directly responsible for making to kill drives for the other team.

 

I can tell you off that top of my head I know at least 5 and it's likely higher than that.

Edited Tuesday at 03:30 PM by Big Turk

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, MJS said:

Mahomes didn't play his first season, so they are on a very similar pace. Pretty incredible QBs.

This is only Allen's 7th year

[hondo in seattle]

9 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Sunday was a big day for Josh Allen. With his six total TD's, he now has the most total TD's in a QB's first 8 seasons. The kicker of course is that Allen won't even start his 8th NFL season for another 9 months. 

 

Statmuse- Most Total TD's first 8 seasons

 

...

 

Due to longer seasons, rule changes favoring the passing game, etc., the Top Twenty of this list is dominated by modern era players.  The oldest guys are Kelly and Marino who really lit up the league when they came in. 

 

It's also worth noticing picks.  The narrative on Josh is that he hasn't won a MVP (or Lombardi) yet because he's a turnover machine.  More than half the guys in the Top Twenty have more Ints than Josh through 8 years - and fewer TDs.  

[Mr. WEO]

44 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

And he was directly responsible for Allen's pass being incomplete to a wide open Shakir in the end zone which would have given the Bills the lead late in the game by shoving Dawkins into Allen's shoulder.

 

I suggest you go watch the last half of the 4th quarter in the Chiefs playoffs wins and count how many plays he is directly responsible for making to kill drives for the other team.

 

I can tell you off that top of my head I know at least 5 and it's likely higher than that.

 

I guess he helped keep the Bills under 30 PPG....

 

 

[MJS]

55 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

This is only Allen's 7th year

And this is only Mahome's 7th season as a starter as well, though it is technically his 8th season.

[Big Turk]

Allen also is the all-time leader for TDs/game averaging 2.37 per game.

 

He has played 107 games and has 254 TDs.

 

Mahomes is second at 2.30 having 251 TDs and playing 109 games.

43 minutes ago, MJS said:

And this is only Mahome's 7th season as a starter as well, though it is technically his 8th season.

 

Mahomes has played 2 more games than Allen and has 3 less TDs.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

Allen also is the all-time leader for TDs/game averaging 2.37 per game.

 

He has played 107 games and has 254 TDs.

 

Mahomes is second at 2.30 having 251 TDs and playing 109 games.

 

Mahomes has played 2 more games than Allen and has 3 less TDs.

Yep. They are both incredible. I'd rather have Allen because I like him more and also like the running ability.

[Big Turk]

18 minutes ago, MJS said:

Yep. They are both incredible. I'd rather have Allen because I like him more and also like the running ability.

 

I just think Allen is the better player regardless of system. He is bigger, faster and stronger and can do things Mahomes can't. Just as clutch in big time situations.

 

Allen might be the best player the NFL has ever seen. Literally he is a player that should not exist, almost as if he was created in a lab to build the perfect football player.

 

Let us find out that this whole cantaloupe farmer stuff was a rouse to cover up a Top Secret US military experiment of a QB created in a lab.

Edited Tuesday at 05:37 PM by Big Turk

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I just think Allen is the better player regardless of system. He is bigger, faster and stronger and can do things Mahomes can't. Just as clutch in big time situations.

 

Allen might be the best player the NFL has ever seen. Literally he is a player that should not exist, almost as if he was created in a lab to build the perfect football player.

 

Let us find out that this whole cantaloupe farmer stuff was a rouse to cover up a US military experiment of a QB created in a lab.

largely agree

 

and have to imagine his potential coming up under an offensive minded staff but thats spilled milk

[folz]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

Mahomes didn't play his first season, so they are on a very similar pace. Pretty incredible QBs.

 

1 hour ago, MJS said:

And this is only Mahome's 7th season as a starter as well, though it is technically his 8th season.

 

Yeah, I think it gets confusing when they talk about "in how many years" because Mahomes is in his 8th year, while Josh is in his 7th year, but Mahomes only played one game his rookie year.

 

Taking the number of years out of things, clears it up. As of today, Patrick has started 109 games, while Josh has started 106 games. So, the comparison can be made pretty clearly.

 

Mahomes: 109 Games started   33,797 total yards   252 total touchdowns  74 INTs 13 Fumbles Lost

Allen: 106 Games started   29,782 total yards   254 total touchdowns   83 INTs   26 Fumbles Lost

 

If you prorate Josh's stats for 3 more games--to match Mahomes' total---his stats would be:

109 Games started   30, 624 total yards   261 total touchdowns   85 INTs   26 Fumbles Lost

 

Pretty even stats...pretty incredible QBs, as you said.

 

 

And as others have said, Josh did start with significant disadvantages in comparison to Patrick:

 

Josh: Very raw coming into the league, from a small school, came to a team that was rebuilding with a 2nd-year defensive head coach (only 2nd year as a head coach at any level), and a severe lack of talent. The culture of the team was still being built, McD was still working on his coaching staff, etc., and Josh was thrown into the fire right away.

 

Pat: Drafted by a team that had been to the playoffs 4 out of the previous 5 years, got to sit and learn for a year behind a good QB, got to sit and learn for a year under a great offensive head coach (who had already been an NFL head coach for 19 years with a Super Bowl appearance under his belt), Reid had been in KC for 5 years and already had his culture, coaching staff, etc. built.

 

So the fact that Josh is ahead in TDs and not very far behind in yards (albeit with more turnovers) is actually all the more impressive. But, until Josh gets a ring...Pat will be king.

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, folz said:

 

 

Yeah, I think it gets confusing when they talk about "in how many years" because Mahomes is in his 8th year, while Josh is in his 7th year, but Mahomes only played one game his rookie year.

 

Taking the number of years out of things, clears it up. As of today, Patrick has started 109 games, while Josh has started 106 games. So, the comparison can be made pretty clearly.

 

Mahomes: 109 Games started   33,797 total yards   252 total touchdowns  74 INTs 13 Fumbles Lost

Allen: 106 Games started   29,782 total yards   254 total touchdowns   83 INTs   26 Fumbles Lost

 

If you prorate Josh's stats for 3 more games--to match Mahomes' total---his stats would be:

109 Games started   30, 624 total yards   261 total touchdowns   85 INTs   26 Fumbles Lost

 

Pretty even stats...pretty incredible QBs, as you said.

 

 

And as others have said, Josh did start with significant disadvantages in comparison to Patrick:

 

Josh: Very raw coming into the league, from a small school, came to a team that was rebuilding with a 2nd-year defensive head coach (only 2nd year as a head coach at any level), and a severe lack of talent. The culture of the team was still being built, McD was still working on his coaching staff, etc., and Josh was thrown into the fire right away.

 

Pat: Drafted by a team that had been to the playoffs 4 out of the previous 5 years, got to sit and learn for a year behind a good QB, got to sit and learn for a year under a great offensive head coach (who had already been an NFL head coach for 19 years with a Super Bowl appearance under his belt), Reid had been in KC for 5 years and already had his culture, coaching staff, etc. built.

 

So the fact that Josh is ahead in TDs and not very far behind in yards (albeit with more turnovers) is actually all the more impressive. But, until Josh gets a ring...Pat will be king.

largely indistinguishable between the two QBs

 

only one of whom has both played for a HoF offensive mind and has never had fewer than 1 surefire HoF talent on offense

[DrBob806]

4 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

Dan Marino was drafted and took over a Super Bowl team with a hall of fame coach.  
 

 

Well, that HOF coach only reached the SB with Marino once.  One of the strangest things in NFL history.

 

That illustrates how hard it is to get there, let alone win it. 

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, njbuff said:

For all of Allen’s greatness, he has to carry the Titanic on his back when it comes to his team, especially the coaches.

 

He might go down as Dan Marino 2.0 with legs.

 

I hope I’m wrong as Allen deserves multiple SB rings.

Buff, he’ll get there, and possibly the first one this year.  This Sunday will tell a lot.  The three after are easy.  If we win, we’ll end up 14-3, and possible the #1 seed as no one is as lucky as KC each and every week.

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Yep. They are both incredible. I'd rather have Allen because I like him more and also like the running ability.

 

MJS, I couldn’t agree more.  My buddies at the gym have put me to the test asking who would I rather have as my QB and emphatically stated Super Allen all day, and twice on Sundays.  Josh typifies Buffalo.  I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mahomes, I’d rather have Superman, than Beaker from the muppet show.  I’m actually going to watch with my new wife the Xmas version of the muppet show tonight.  She’s from China moved here  9 yrs ago, so she’s never seen it.  I couldn’t believe it.

 

Get this for a culture shock, she didn’t have a tv growing up.  

[Big Turk]

26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

largely indistinguishable between the two QBs

 

only one of whom has both played for a HoF offensive mind and has never had fewer than 1 surefire HoF talent on offense

 

Allen essentially gave him every advantage he could possibly have and a head start and has caught up, passed him and is going to begin lapping him over the rest of his career.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Another 1st for Allen

 

Leading NFL MVP candidate Josh Allen had the best fantasy performance by a quarterback ever in Week 14, logging an incredible six touchdowns (three through the air, three on the ground) en route to 51.88 fantasy points.

 

The second-best historical QB performance was over six decades ago, in 1961, when Houston Oiler George Blanda would have produced a 49.72-point game.

 

In the league I played in, would have been worth 55 points