BuffaloBillyG Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) 10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: The speed thing is a question, but Hyde as the "centerfield" Free Safety he's always played hasn't really had the responsibility of covering other defenders. His value would be added communication to the secondary and the instincts to read what the offense is doing pre-snap and react to it quicker than Hamlin. To me, that's the biggest issue with Hamlin. And some of the guys who watch film have alluded to it. Hamlin tackles well, but it's almost always down the field because of how late he is to react to plays. I think we can all agree that Hyde was the better Safety than Poyer last year. Now with so much time to rest and recover from his neck injuries and stingers, maybe he can be even better than he was last season. The Rams ate the Bills alive because of how much their misdirection was confusing the entire D. To me, a veteran presence would have helped to diagnose some of that. If the Bills do make it to a Super Bowl, they're almost certainly going to face a similarly explosive offense with lots of misdirection since that's what most of the Elites of the NFC do. Let's not act like we haven't been playing good defense at times and winning football with him in the line up. Prime Hyde wouldn't have made much difference last Sunday. I strongly disagree with it being as simple as "misdirection" that tore the Bills up. They have no issues with it when they play Miami twice a year. The big issue was matchup. The Bills play a lot of zone and the Rams top two WRs are zone destroyers. As long as their line protected well (they did) and Stafford was sharp (he was) the matchup was about as bad from a personally standpoint as you can draw up. Hyde standing in the secondary doesn't change that Edited December 10 by BuffaloBillyG 1 1 Quote
Comebackkid Posted December 10 Posted December 10 19 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: The Rams defense ACTUALLY GAVE UP MORE POINTS (42) THAN WE DID (37) and yet nobody talked about that at all! Disgusting. 🤨 I think i felt better before you said this and it was actually obvious 1 Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted December 10 Author Posted December 10 51 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Let's not act like we haven't been playing good defense at times and winning football with him in the line up. Prime Hyde wouldn't have made much difference last Sunday. I strongly disagree with it being as simple as "misdirection" that tore the Bills up. They have no issues with it when they play Miami twice a year. The big issue was matchup. The Bills play a lot of zone and the Rams top two WRs are zone destroyers. As long as their line protected well (they did) and Stafford was sharp (he was) the matchup was about as bad from a personally standpoint as you can draw up. Hyde standing in the secondary doesn't change that Listen to Joe Marino's All-22 breakdown of the game. He spends most of the entire episode talking about defensive breakdowns. Listen particularly to about the 7 minute mark. This is where he talks about all the pre-snap motion, which is the misdirection I was talking about. I guess I could have used the words "pre-snap motion" instead, but misdirection is essentially what that is, anyway: 1 Quote
Repulsif Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Games are won in the trenches, our OL dominated their DL and we put 42 ; their OL dominated ours and they put 37. Rest is game facts 1 Quote
billsbackto81 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 22 hours ago, RichRiderBills said: I thought Hamlin played pretty bad . With all due respect, our entire secondary sucked!! It's gonna happen when your D line can't get within 10 feet of the opposing QB and has 10 seconds to throw. Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted December 10 Posted December 10 19 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said: It's a tough loss but it's terrifying for other teams. It's why I keep predicting we are going to blow ppl out in the playoffs or at the very least be way too much on offense for other teams Outside special teams Allen led the bills on the road to 42 pts in 21 min with two starters out on offense. That's with two drives right before and after halftime going 3 and out. Again that is terrifying for other AFC contenders Yeah ppl can call me a homer, I frickin love our chances Good luck to whoever we play in the playoffs Why do you think our D will play better come playoffs? Our def will likely score us another playoff loss. Defense is our coaches specialty. 1 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted December 10 Posted December 10 23 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I understand that he's not likely to see actual playing time this weekend and it won't be until the home game vs. the Pats he's probably elevated. That said, it's looking like Hyde came back to this team at a darn good time. Our Safeties looked awful yesterday. Rapp has been so good for most of the season that he gets some grace, but Hamlin was by far the worse player of the 2 yesterday and has been all year. He's a good tackler, but just lacks the coverage ability and instincts. You saw it on that deep completed pass (think it was called back) where he was torched. I understand Hyde isn't 2021 Micah Hyde, but his instincts and intelligence are something that Hamlin--who is always just a step or 2 hesitant in coverage--just doesn't have. If our D gets torched in the passing game on Sunday I think the passing of that torch from young to old is inevitable. I'd just rather not see another shitshow like that. Dude came back to Buffalo potentially to be the ultimate team guy as a mentor for the young guys. Might be best for the young guys to watch him play for a bit. And honestly... if not Hyde... put Cole Bishop back in there and let the athletic freak learn a little in some live action. You mean the old guy who hasn't played a snap all year? Sounds like a plan. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) 4 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Why do you think our D will play better come playoffs? Our def will likely score us another playoff loss. Defense is our coaches specialty. Because they've shown to be better in the regular season when they are mostly healthy If they are mostly healthy I have confidence they will hold their own. Not great but good enough. Similar to KC in 22 or the rams in 21 or buffalo in 1990. Obviously the 90 team didn't win the championship but you get my point I think the defense is enough to do their part in conjunction with a great offensive performance in the playoffs Edited December 10 by Kelly to Allen Quote
SCBills Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: Why do you think our D will play better come playoffs? Our def will likely score us another playoff loss. Defense is our coaches specialty. Biggest worry is another performance like that in the playoffs. Pretty sure we’re all concerned with the side of the ball that constantly lets us down when it matters and is led by a front running DL who rarely meet the moment. That said.. there are no offenses like the Rams or Lions in the AFC Playoffs (outside CIN who are sitting at 1% chance to make it) Edited December 10 by SCBills 1 Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted December 10 Posted December 10 2 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said: Because they've shown to be better in the regular season when they are mostly healthy If they are mostly healthy I have confidence they will hold their own. Not great but good enough. Similar to KC in 22 or the rams in 21 or buffalo in 1990. Obviously the 90 team didn't win the championship but you get my point I think the defense is enough I truly hope I'm wrong and you are right. But what I see is a coach whose defense has failed spectacularly in the playoffs twice. Yes injuries were a factor. Detroit is winning right now with worse injuries than we had. I think we need to face that our coach is a regular season guy. He can't get us over the hump. And we can't waste Allen's career. 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Biggest worry is another performance like that in the playoffs. Pretty sure we’re all concerned with the side of the ball that constantly lets us down when it matters and is led by a front running DL who rarely meet the moment. That said.. there are no offenses like the Rams or Lions in the AFC Playoffs (outside CIN who are sitting at 1% chance to make it) Yes. But the NFC does have offenses as good. Eagles, Rams, Lions, maybe even Packers will smoke our defense in the superbowl. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted December 10 Posted December 10 8 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: I truly hope I'm wrong and you are right. But what I see is a coach whose defense has failed spectacularly in the playoffs twice. Yes injuries were a factor. Detroit is winning right now with worse injuries than we had. I think we need to face that our coach is a regular season guy. He can't get us over the hump. And we can't waste Allen's career. Yes. But the NFC does have offenses as good. Eagles, Rams, Lions, maybe even Packers will smoke our defense in the superbowl. We'll see how far Detroit goes in the playoffs. It's a QB driven league. Also Detroit is in the NFC. It's an easier path I wish Allen could play Danny dimes and a mcaffrey to get to the Superbowl.... I agree with your concerns about McDermott Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, Kelly to Allen said: We'll see how far Detroit goes in the playoffs. It's a QB driven league. Also Detroit is in the NFC. It's an easier path I wish Allen could play Danny dimes and a mcaffrey to get to the Superbowl.... I agree with your concerns about McDermott Nfc is better this year. By record its not close. Not saying nfc wins the superbowl but they're good this year. 3 Quote
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 11 Posted December 11 On 12/10/2024 at 5:09 PM, Comebackkid said: 🤨 I think i felt better before you said this and it was actually obvious That's the most number of points we are giving up the rest of the season if we can recover in Detroit... nobody we face will be able to do that. 1 Quote
DCofNC Posted December 12 Posted December 12 4 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: That's the most number of points we are giving up the rest of the season if we can recover in Detroit... nobody we face will be able to do that. Let’s see what Sunday brings. The plan is out there, the Lions can execute, I won’t be shocked to see them drop 50 on this D. 1 Quote
Boatdrinks Posted December 12 Posted December 12 On 12/10/2024 at 6:30 PM, L Ron Burgundy said: I truly hope I'm wrong and you are right. But what I see is a coach whose defense has failed spectacularly in the playoffs twice. Yes injuries were a factor. Detroit is winning right now with worse injuries than we had. I think we need to face that our coach is a regular season guy. He can't get us over the hump. And we can't waste Allen's career. Yes. But the NFC does have offenses as good. Eagles, Rams, Lions, maybe even Packers will smoke our defense in the superbowl. We can’t say definitively that the Bills can’t get over the hump with McDermott at the helm. We do know he’s the coach leading them into battle for the 2024 season and playoffs. We’ll see what happens - we don’t have to face anything because we’re not the team owners calling the shots. The NFC does have some good offenses , if not the elite QBs that reside in the AFC. That’s fine, because if the Bills face one of them in the postseason it will be in the Super Bowl. Maybe it will just be a high scoring affair - in which I would like the Bills chances. 1 hour ago, DCofNC said: Let’s see what Sunday brings. The plan is out there, the Lions can execute, I won’t be shocked to see them drop 50 on this D. Eh , 50 would be a stunner, seeing as they managed what, 23 vs Chicago? I don’t remember the Bills giving up 50 under McDermott , maybe I’m forgetting it I don’t know. The plan was out there after Baltimore, after Houston , after whomever last year etc etc. Every game is different , that’s why they play ‘em. 1 Quote
Mikie2times Posted December 12 Posted December 12 On 12/10/2024 at 3:56 PM, L Ron Burgundy said: Nfc is better this year. By record its not close. Not saying nfc wins the superbowl but they're good this year. I don’t know what top two somebody would take over the Eagles and Lions. I have the Eagles in futures bets. To me they look even better than Detroit does. Tampa can cause some issues, Rams clearly can, Vikings, Packers. It’s fairly balanced this year. Quote
Richard Noggin Posted December 12 Posted December 12 On 12/10/2024 at 6:16 AM, Blackbeard said: This. we lost. Our D played blah. But that won’t happen every game. This one was an anomaly, and it doesn’t help that Stafford, Nacua and Cupp were on fire. We have one of the best players, let alone our qb, to have ever played the game. He, along with our offense, can and will our score most teams on any given day. Allen is beyond generational. Your 2nd line does seem to happen every year in the playoffs, at least to an extent. It's not an anomaly against the best NFL offenses. McD's Bend-don't-break relies on the offense jumping out to a lead and the defense pressuring the QB in obvious passing situations. On 12/10/2024 at 9:17 AM, boyst said: i don't think the deal was to sign with the team just to make an extra practice squad pay check. at the least, sure, depth. I think Hyde will start in the playoffs. Start over Hamlin? That's possible. Hamlin is already limited athletically, and tends to be the deeper safety. I see Hyde as more of a Dime sub-package guy, maybe taking over half-field (or single-high, in rare pressure looks) DEEP responsibilities when we add a 6th DB. But Lewis has shown some chops as the season has progressed, so we'll see. Wonder if both Lewis and Hyde could see playing time over Hamlin? Doubt it, but wouldn't mind some tinkering. Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted December 12 Author Posted December 12 No Rapp 2 days in a row. No Hamlin today. Time for Hyde and Bishop. The savvy vet and the naive but talented rook. Should be interesting. 2 Quote
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted December 12 Posted December 12 On 12/9/2024 at 7:39 PM, RichRiderBills said: I thought Hamlin played pretty bad . He's not a starting safety. Gives up tons of big plays. 1 Quote
BillMafia716ix Posted December 12 Posted December 12 Hyde is cooked and hasn’t played since last season. He’s not coming in this late in the year and making an impact. 1 Quote
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