Alphadawg7 Posted December 9 Posted December 9 4 hours ago, Gregg said: It's more than Chris Jones. The Chiefs defense as a group is better than the Bills. Also, Spags is a really good DC. Its not though...our defense is also amongst the best every year, and even statistically better than the Chiefs in most categories. But Chris Jones ends games...did it several times in both their super bowl playoff runs the past 2 seasons. 1 1 Quote
starrymessenger Posted December 9 Posted December 9 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Not just the D line. The DBs got smoked in zone and they are too small and slow to play man At least Elam is big and fast. 1 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted December 10 Posted December 10 11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Not just vs the Rams but it’s the main reason we don’t advance in the playoffs. We don’t have dominant force on the DL. We need larger, stronger game wrecking DT's who can push the pocket right into the face of the qb. We haven't had a great or elite DE since the day Josh was drafted. This is the same BS broken record since McD took over. His rotations simply put weaker, undersized players in the snap count pool. And as we saw yesterday, if you don't get pressure on the opposing qb, your zone will be easily destroyed. Mahomes finds easy cavities all day as did Stafford. 5 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 10 Posted December 10 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: How many times do you remember Richard Seymour, Willie McGinest or Vince Wilfork making the huge game-changing play on the D-Line that won New England the Super Bowl or even a big playoff game? That's what we were talking about, correct? None of those guys were elite game-wreckers. They were good players who got HOF consideration because of their association with the Patriots. I'm not saying we can't upgrade on the D-Line. I just don't think we NEED a TJ Watt, Myles Garrett or Chris Jones level player in order to win a Super Bowl. We just need our good players like Greg Rousseau and Ed Oliver to not completely disappear in big games. This is a good post. I grew up on Bruce Smith, Reggie White, and guys like LT, Lott, and Derrick Thomas. I don't remember their great moments in the playoffs or SuperBowl except for Bruce Smith safety that could have been a TD. Perhaps it is just nostalgia. Maybe they were so good it forced teams to double and triple team them which opened up opportunities for others. But I really liked what you said. If you are going to have a bunch of really good but not great players, they just can't disappear for entire games or stretches of the season. 2 Quote
FireChans Posted December 10 Posted December 10 How many more first and second round picks can we spend on the DL Quote
Georgia Bill Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Isn't part of the issue with what we consider the "bad" games by the defense the turnovers? We've got 24 turnovers to our credit this year, just about 2 per game, and our turnover differential is +17, just about 1.5 per game. When we win the turnover battle we win and the defense gets credit for being good. So yesterday was not a normal day for Buffalo in that department either and if it had been we probably would have won. Many on this board have for years wanted the focus to be on spending for the offense, with the assumption being that a high scoring offense can beat anyone, even if the defense is not great. I don't think we need to put our D in the "weak" category yet, and we may still win the Superbowl this year because of how damn explosive the offense is. I'm just saying, all is not lost... 2 Quote
bouds Posted December 10 Posted December 10 It's really the interior that is not getting it done. Tough to watch at times. 1 1 Quote
appoo Posted December 10 Posted December 10 5 hours ago, Gregg said: It's more than Chris Jones. The Chiefs defense as a group is better than the Bills. Also, Spags is a really good DC. Talent level it's not all that close. From my amateur GM eyes, I want to move on from Ras and get a corner that can actually play man, get a safety that's significantly more athletic than Hamlin, and an upgrade to the aging Daquon Jones who's routinely getting washed now at 1T, and a legit pass rusher opposite Groot that's going to get the TE and RB attention. Running the ball is all about moving people, and I don't really blame Ed for this because he's the 3T and not neccesarily supposed to avoid getting washed on power run plays, but he's got to get a 1T next to him that can hold up and not be moved. Some of this you can resolve in the draft, some in FA. Some of it in house like Cole. Quote
PayDaBill$ Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) I don’t like McClappy’s bend don’t break scheme that allows the ball to be moved at will between the 20’s and relies on one big play a possession to stymie the offense …. It worked to the tune of 44 points yesterday! Where not aggressive enough. Edited December 10 by PayDaBill$ 1 Quote
appoo Posted December 10 Posted December 10 Just now, PayDaBill$ said: I don’t like McClappy’s bend don’t break scheme that allows the ball to be moved at will between the 20’s and hopes for one big play a possession to stymie the offense …. It worked to the tune of 44 points yesterday! Where not aggressive enough. If he played man the Rams would have scored 60+ 1 1 Quote
PayDaBill$ Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) 42 minutes ago, appoo said: If he played man the Rams would have scored 60+ Because the defensive personnel is lacking. It’s not built to play aggressively, he assembled a roster to play zone and bend. It doesn’t work! I’ve never been a big fan of his schemes. Edited December 10 by PayDaBill$ 1 Quote
notpolian Posted December 10 Posted December 10 It's funny how this thread and a couple others sum up my issues with the Bills. I just don't think you can beat 3-4 good teams in the playoffs with this defensive philosophy, especially with these players. Each one is good to decent, but they lack the size and "difference makers" to shut down good teams when it matters. There is no way McDermott is losing his job. My plan is just to draft almost all defensive players. Bigger interior dudes are preferred. Maybe a couple will hit. We are lucky to have these problems as a franchise, but McDermott's defensive philosophy and poor strategic decision-making doom us to earlier then desired playoff exits. Welcome to Marty Schottenheimer 2.0. 1 Quote
appoo Posted December 10 Posted December 10 He’s one of the most respected defensive minds in the game. Think a lot of you are off base attacking the scheme. 1 2 2 Quote
WideNine Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) Just listened to Marino's all 22 and he said DQ played well and was drawing the doubles so I believe him. That is a relief because I like our big guy and there are seasons he has carried our line. However he did echo what a lot of us saw with Carter and Oliver at the 3-tech just getting moved, and walled out of their gap by the Ram's guard. I saw a few plays like that too where they were just moved out of their gap and walled off. They also went after Expenesa and put him in conflict a lot setting and defending his edge. Edited December 10 by WideNine 2 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, PayDaBill$ said: I don’t like McClappy’s bend don’t break scheme that allows the ball to be moved at will between the 20’s and relies on one big play a possession to stymie the offense …. It worked to the tune of 44 points yesterday! Where not aggressive enough. I've always hated Sean's bend don't break zone scheme. It's destined to fail if your front 4 can't do squat. I guess when you've failed to draft even 1 dominant pass rusher, you're forced to play constant rotations. Shuttling in "fresh" mediocre bodies. Edited December 10 by LABILLBACKER 1 Quote
dayman Posted December 10 Posted December 10 (edited) Oliver was a miss it’s time we just admit it, he’s good for his size but he’s too little and gets moved Edited December 10 by dayman 3 Quote
philholbroo Posted December 10 Posted December 10 At this point in the season, if its a consistent problem, its strategy, and refusal to make changes in scheme. Quote
Bookie Man Posted December 10 Posted December 10 No disruptors on the DL. Also, do we ever run stunts? I feel like we don't. Can't find any data on it. 1 Quote
Alphadawg7 Posted December 10 Posted December 10 6 hours ago, mjt328 said: How many times do you remember Richard Seymour, Willie McGinest or Vince Wilfork making the huge game-changing play on the D-Line that won New England the Super Bowl or even a big playoff game? That's what we were talking about, correct? None of those guys were elite game-wreckers. They were good players who got HOF consideration because of their association with the Patriots. I'm not saying we can't upgrade on the D-Line. I just don't think we NEED a TJ Watt, Myles Garrett or Chris Jones level player in order to win a Super Bowl. We just need our good players like Greg Rousseau and Ed Oliver to not completely disappear in big games. How many non-Bills Pats games did you watch from start to finish? Because you are grossly underselling the talent of those Pats players. All of those guys would be amongst to ever play for the Bills had they been Bills. No one, literally no one, on our DL is even close to their level of play and consistency. Von Miller pre-Buffalo was...but not the Von Miller whose been a Bill. 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted December 10 Posted December 10 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: How many non-Bills Pats games did you watch from start to finish? Because you are grossly underselling the talent of those Pats players. All of those guys would be amongst to ever play for the Bills had they been Bills. No one, literally no one, on our DL is even close to their level of play and consistency. Von Miller pre-Buffalo was...but not the Von Miller whose been a Bill. The buffalo dline was elite vs KC. Again ppl are being the prisoner of the moment... Quote
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