The root source of D problems is the D Line

[Eastport bills]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

DLine got dominated.  They could not stop the run, and they could not pressure Stafford.  I’m talking to you Ed Oliver and DaQuan.  Shameful performance.  It’s hardly the first time DL has failed us this year.  DL is the Achilles heel of a loaded Bills team, led by Josh Allen.

D-line was awful but a zone defense in the secondary was giving up wide open completions consistently. Nicua and Cup are good but they should have been doubled especially after Robinson went down. Our 2 LB sets were pitifully out of position and blocked easily when they were in the right place. Detroit will feast on this defense. Josh better be ready to hang 35 to 40 again.

[Green Lightning]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Maybe it's just me, but Oliver looks like he's put on a bit of weight. Causing him that explosiveness he would have from time to time. That along with Daquon Jones turning into Star Lotulelei this year is killing the inside of the line. 

 

 

When it matters, Oliver gets owned. Honestly, he brings not a lot to the table. We need two new talented DTs. The kid they drafted this year could be one of them. 

[GASabresIUFan]

I don't think either D line got any pressure on either QB all game.  If Allen and Stafford have time, they will destroy you and they did.  

 

This game was a D failure from the opening drive.  They allowed 11/12 3rd down conversations.  No one can win in the NFL that way.

 

 

[Bermuda Triangle]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

"And with the 28th pick in the draft, the Buffalo Bills select Randolph Mcgillicudy, the undersized high motor EDGE from East Pennsyltucky State.  Boy we sure weren't expecting him to go this high!"

weighing in at 220 lbs.

[Simon]

 

 

3 hours ago, Pete said:

 I’m talking to you Ed Oliver and DaQuan.  Shameful performance.

 

Both Oliver and Daquan Jones were fine yesterday; the DT's behind them were not (although I would like to see Quinton Jefferson get some more snaps).

Yu want to see a shameful performance? Go watch film of that utterly pathetic effort from Greg Rousseau yesterday, absolutely horrible.

The Bills had far bigger problems in their secondary yesterday than they did up front.

[TBBills Fan]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

 

Seriously, it was keystone kops out there.  Our DL made Stafford look like the second coming of Michael Vick.  Given how long it took the whole team to get into the game, I'm going to go on and assume they had a late night in LA.  We've seen that before.

On this topic, did they arrive in LA Saturday night or Friday night?

[Toyo321]

I said it at the beginning of the preseason.  That this teams DL, Linebackers and Safeties were all questionable and areas' for concern this year because we have not upgraded these positions with any game changing talent.  The Cap was extremely cruel to this team this year.  We are now forced to milk whatever talent we have on this team and some of these players are not elite NFL talent at the positions above because we had no money to spend.  Face it the Von Miller contract doomed this team, and McD & Beane should be embarrassed for how much money he has spent on the this D-Line and we have not gotten anything in return for the investment made.  Our D-Line scares no one and it hasn't in 7+ years.  Our linebackers should have been benched yesterday they were terrible.  They played terrible and Milano has a long way to go to get where he was prior to his injury.  Also the secondary is soft as hell  We get abused by big receivers and yesterday Nacua and Kupp dominated this group.  Our Secondary is nothing to be afraid of in the playoffs this year.   Hamlin is absolutely terrible and and he walked into the starting job because we had no one better this year.  He would not be starting on any other NFL team this year.  

[dave mcbride]

22 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

 

 

Both Oliver and Daquan Jones were fine yesterday; the DT's behind them were not (although I would like to see Quinton Jefferson get some more snaps).

Yu want to see a shameful performance? Go watch film of that utterly pathetic effort from Greg Rousseau yesterday, absolutely horrible.

The Bills had far bigger problems in their secondary yesterday than they did up front.

Rousseau at least made one play (a TFL). Oliver, as per his standard game this season, made zero.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

28 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

When it matters, Oliver gets owned. Honestly, he brings not a lot to the table. We need two new talented DTs. The kid they drafted this year could be one of them. 

Taking you guys a while, but slowly the board is catching up to my advanced thinking

 

xD

 

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Rousseau at least made one play (a TFL). Oliver, as per his standard game this season, made zero.

 

This is simply not true.

Oliver had 3 tackles, led the team in QB hits and could be seen several times successfully anchoring against doubles and hustling downfield to run down ballcarriers.

Rousseau's only "play" was a single assisted tackle in the 4th qrtr (it was not a tfl) and he could be seen multiple times standing around unengaged, waiting for his teammates to finish plays.

Oliver has not been good this year, but he was not the problem yesterday.

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

This is simply not true.

Oliver had 3 tackles, led the team in QB hits and could be seen several times successfully anchoring against doubles and hustling downfield to run down ballcarriers.

Rousseau's only "play" was a single tackle in the 4th qrtr and he could be seen multiple times standing around unengaged, waiting for his teammates to finish plays.

Oliver has not been good this year, but he was not the problem yesterday.

Oliver had 3 assists, no actual tackles, and a couple of hits on the QB that, IIRC, didn't materially affect the play. 

 

I am happy he can anchor, but a physically quick and explosive three-technique needs to make plays behind the LOS. He just isn't this year.  

Edited December 9 by dave mcbride

[Simon]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Oliver had 3 assists, no actual tackles, and a couple of hits on the QB that, IIRC, didn't materially affect the play. 

 

He created some quick pressures that forced Stafford to get rid of the ball and his assists were actually tackles, they just happened to be on plays where another guy got there at the same time. He played hard, was more effective than he has been most of the year was not the problem yesterday.

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Simon said:

 

He created some quick pressures that forced Stafford to get rid of the ball and his assists were actually tackles, they just happened to be on plays where another guy got there at the same time. He played hard, was more effective than he has been most of the year was not the problem yesterday.

Not saying at all that he's not playing hard. He just isn't making the sort of plays that he's paid to make, and that was the case yesterday too. Maybe my standards are too high for him, but "almost" plays aren't good enough, especially when he's made those actual plays in the past.

[JMM]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

I wish Beane and McDermott would change their philosophy when it comes to defense. We need a bigger, more physical defense that is built to stop the run and get after the QB. Think Steelers defense. This smaller, finesse type of defense we have doesn't work against the better teams.

THIS!!!!!!

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

I don't think anyone has mentioned him by name yet, but AJE was laughably bad. He gave up multiple TDs where he was unblocked and bit on action while the Rams ran straight by him.

 

 

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, Tortured Soul said:

Why do people think we couldn’t stop the run? Rams ran for 3.3 YPC.

 

Because we started loading the box and sending run blitzes to stop their run game.

 

And against teams without a great passing game, that can be enough.. but when we face teams that can run and pass at a high level, this is often the result.

 

Luckily, there's not a lot of teams that can do that... Unfortunately, the teams that can, typically make the Playoffs.

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

They are too damn small and easily pushed around by bigger Olines

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

49 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

I don't think either D line got any pressure on either QB all game.  If Allen and Stafford have time, they will destroy you and they did.  

 

This game was a D failure from the opening drive.  They allowed 11/12 3rd down conversations.  No one can win in the NFL that way.

 

 

Felt like another decriminalized oline holding type game haha I’m sure we got away with some too but the rams got away with a bunch highlighted by von miller getting WWE finishing moved on a huge third down conversion 🤣

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Because we started loading the box and sending run blitzes to stop their run game.

 

And against teams without a great passing game, that can be enough.. but when we face teams that can run and pass at a high level, this is often the result.

 

Luckily, there's not a lot of teams that can do that... Unfortunately, the teams that can, typically make the Playoffs.

This is more searching for a silver lining than anything lol but the defense seemed like it 9 times out of 10 would’ve tightened up in the second half there but Stafford was just on fire.  I think the adjustments were good they just made every play 

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, Gman10 said:

This place is weird, I said this yesterday before the game. I mentioned how our run D was weak and we would lose to KC or Ravens in playoffs and everyone talked so much junk to me. Im glad more and more of you are opening your eyes. Im not a great football analyst, but that one was obvious. Im hoping for a solid 26-27 Bills season/SB. Pick up a good WR, some defense and we will be solid.

 

go Bills!

Great, see you in 2 years. Now if you'll excuse us....

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Not saying at all that he's not playing hard. He just isn't making the sort of plays that he's paid to make, and that was the case yesterday too. Maybe my standards are too high for him, but "almost" plays aren't good enough, especially when he's made those actual plays in the past.

especially from a top 10 pick who's been re-signed.

 

production has never matched his cost.