Sierra Foothills Posted December 12 Posted December 12 (edited) On 12/9/2024 at 6:03 AM, Returntoglory said: This continual rush 4 crap has to stop. That's close to, but not exactly the problem. On 12/9/2024 at 6:05 AM, GunnerBill said: They blitzed lots yesterday. Probably the most they have all year. It was a disaster. Yes, when they sent more than 4 rushers the defense was exploited. On 12/9/2024 at 8:33 PM, Bookie Man said: No disruptors on the DL. Also, do we ever run stunts? I feel like we don't. Can't find any data on it. On 12/10/2024 at 10:19 AM, Back2Buff said: The Bills can swap in who ever they want. The system has so little stunts and deception. Its very easy to defend. To me this is the problem. Compare the Bills pass rush with the way KC creates pressures with dogs, overloads, etc. It seems a very high percentage of the time, the Bills go straight rush with no loops, no overloads, no games, no slot corner blitzes, nothing. That seems apparent to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I don't review the All-22. The other problem not mentioned in 10 pages is that both Von and Groot are much more effective rushing from the defensive left side... ironically the non-blind side. When you move either to the RDE position they are not nearly as good. To me the answer is to keep them BOTH on the left side of the defense. On passing downs have Von rush from LDE and move Groot inside to LDT where even if he can't beat the guard, his height and wingspan create problems in the passing lanes. And IMO he'll have an easier time beating a guard than a tackle. Then on the other side of the D-line... On 12/9/2024 at 7:39 AM, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I don't think anyone has mentioned him by name yet, but AJE was laughably bad. He gave up multiple TDs where he was unblocked and bit on action while the Rams ran straight by him. 8 hours ago, Carmel Corn said: I’ve never seen a DE worse than Epenesa at setting the edge. That is a fundamental responsibility and he’s horrible at it. I agree with both of you completely. In all his years in the league, AJ continues to lose contain and looks lost on the edge. Like my Groot example above, Epenesa needs to move inside on passing downs. This would 1) allow him to use his height and length to create problems in the passing lanes 2) eliminate him as a liability in setting the edge and trying to contain 3) allow him to reprise the bull rush power game he used so well at Iowa and 4) allow Javon Solomon to play RDE on passing downs. I would love to see DaQuan and Oliver play only on run and neutral downs. On obvious passing downs I would want to see: Von Groot Epenesa Solomon LDE LDT RDT RDE On 12/9/2024 at 9:04 AM, VW82 said: I've been wondering for weeks whether McD is essentially saving his bullets for the postseason. Bernard and Taron Johnson are keys to this defense. They are both undersized and have looked outmatched a surprising amount this season, yesterday most of all. Milano might be washed. Arguably our best man corner doesn't even dress anymore. I bring all this up to point out that there's more going on here than just "Dline didn't get any pressure." Speaking of saving bullets: 1) I think it's a crime that Elam is not being given the opportunity to play. Create schemes where his obvious talents can be used. Could the Bills have done any worse had they simply dressed Elam and had him travel with Nacua? 2) It was a mistake to not allow Dorian to get in there and see what he could do. A) Dorian had been steadily improving and B) Milano was obviously struggling and is still trying to get up to speed. 3) Javon Solomon had shown flashes early in the season. He is a pass rushing weapon. I get it... they don't TRUST HIM... but they trust AJ Epenesa who is not a trustworthy edge player? I'm sad to think of the dozens of snaps of experience that Elam and Solomon missed out on over the course of this season. Like most of the defensive problems, it's a failure of coaching, IMO. Edited December 12 by Sierra Foothills 2 4 1 2 Quote
HerdMentality Posted December 12 Posted December 12 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: That's close to, but not exactly the problem. Yes, when they sent more than 4 rushers the defense was exploited. To me this is the problem. Compare the Bills pass rush with the way KC creates pressures with dogs, overloads, etc. It seems a very high percentage of the time, the Bills go straight rush with no loops, no overloads, no games, no slot corner blitzes, nothing. That seems apparent to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I don't review the All-22. The other problem not mentioned in 10 pages is that both Von and Groot are much more effective rushing from the defensive left side... ironically the non-blind side. When you move either to the RDE position they are not nearly as good. To me the answer is to keep them BOTH on the left side of the defense. On passing downs have Von rush from LDE and move Groot inside to LDT where even if he can't beat the guard, his height and wingspan create problems in the passing lanes. And IMO he'll have an easier time beating a guard than a tackle. Then on the other side of the D-line... I agree with both of you completely. In all his years in the league, AJ continues to lose contain and looks lost on the edge. Like my Groot example above, Epenesa needs to move inside on passing downs. This would 1) allow him to use his height and length to create problems in the passing lanes 2) eliminate him as a liability in setting the edge and trying to contain 3) allow him to reprise the bull rush power game he used so well at Iowa and 4) allow Javon Solomon to play RDE on passing downs. I would love to see DaQuan and Oliver play only on run and neutral downs. On obvious passing downs I would want to see: Von Groot Epenesa Solomon LDE LDT RDT RDE Speaking of saving bullets: 1) I think it's a crime that Elam is not being given the opportunity to play. Create schemes where his obvious talents can be used. Could the Bills have done any worse had they simply dressed Elam and had him travel with Nacua? 2) It was a mistake to not allow Dorian to get in there and see what he could do. A) Dorian had been steadily improving and B) Milano was obviously struggling and is still trying to get up to speed. 3) Javon Solomon had shown flashes early in the season. He is a pass rushing weapon. I get it... they don't TRUST HIM... but they trust AJ Epenesa who is not a trustworthy edge player? I'm sad to think of the dozens of snaps of experience that Elam and Solomon missed out on over the course of this season. Like most of the defensive problems, it's a failure of coaching, IMO. Yer hired! 1 Quote
The Helmet of Posted December 12 Posted December 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: 1) I think it's a crime that Elam is not being given the opportunity to play. Create schemes where his obvious talents can be used. Could the Bills have done any worse had they simply dressed Elam and had him travel with Nacua? Well said. 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: 2) It was a mistake to not allow Dorian to get in there and see what he could do. A) Dorian had been steadily improving and B) Milano was obviously struggling and is still trying to get up to speed. Absolutely. Split the reps. Hasn’t Dorian earned it? Edited December 12 by The Helmet of 1 1 Quote
BigDingus Posted December 12 Posted December 12 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: 1) I think it's a crime that Elam is not being given the opportunity to play. Create schemes where his obvious talents can be used. Could the Bills have done any worse had they simply dressed Elam and had him travel with Nacua? What talents? He's clearly not good enough to even dress. He can occasionally be in the right place & capitalize to get a turnover, but he's constantly beat even in man coverage. But I guess everyone else got beat all day against the Rams, so Elam would've fit right in. Guess you're right, throwing Elam in there wouldn't have gotten any worse. Probably would've just been more of the same, only more holding/PI penalties & maybe a chance at an INT. 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted December 12 Posted December 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: That's close to, but not exactly the problem. Yes, when they sent more than 4 rushers the defense was exploited. To me this is the problem. Compare the Bills pass rush with the way KC creates pressures with dogs, overloads, etc. It seems a very high percentage of the time, the Bills go straight rush with no loops, no overloads, no games, no slot corner blitzes, nothing. That seems apparent to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I don't review the All-22. The other problem not mentioned in 10 pages is that both Von and Groot are much more effective rushing from the defensive left side... ironically the non-blind side. When you move either to the RDE position they are not nearly as good. To me the answer is to keep them BOTH on the left side of the defense. On passing downs have Von rush from LDE and move Groot inside to LDT where even if he can't beat the guard, his height and wingspan create problems in the passing lanes. And IMO he'll have an easier time beating a guard than a tackle. Then on the other side of the D-line... I agree with both of you completely. In all his years in the league, AJ continues to lose contain and looks lost on the edge. Like my Groot example above, Epenesa needs to move inside on passing downs. This would 1) allow him to use his height and length to create problems in the passing lanes 2) eliminate him as a liability in setting the edge and trying to contain 3) allow him to reprise the bull rush power game he used so well at Iowa and 4) allow Javon Solomon to play RDE on passing downs. I would love to see DaQuan and Oliver play only on run and neutral downs. On obvious passing downs I would want to see: Von Groot Epenesa Solomon LDE LDT RDT RDE Speaking of saving bullets: 1) I think it's a crime that Elam is not being given the opportunity to play. Create schemes where his obvious talents can be used. Could the Bills have done any worse had they simply dressed Elam and had him travel with Nacua? 2) It was a mistake to not allow Dorian to get in there and see what he could do. A) Dorian had been steadily improving and B) Milano was obviously struggling and is still trying to get up to speed. 3) Javon Solomon had shown flashes early in the season. He is a pass rushing weapon. I get it... they don't TRUST HIM... but they trust AJ Epenesa who is not a trustworthy edge player? I'm sad to think of the dozens of snaps of experience that Elam and Solomon missed out on over the course of this season. Like most of the defensive problems, it's a failure of coaching, IMO. Well stated start to finish. Our blitz most of this year has been bad. Against the Rams it was awful. More stunts and deception are absolutely mandatory. The blitzes are strategically poor and very predictable as the Rams were able to easily clog with 5 olineman. Absolutely love the idea of Groot & Von on the left side. But we still need a better A gap push from Ed and the DT rotational circus. AJE is basically worthless and isn't even worthy of discussion. I'm not spending 5 cents resigning him. Start developing Solomon on the right side and keep drafting. Lastly more man coverage has to be implemented. I know our dbs are trained to play zone 80% of the time but unless our pass rush immediately improves, this is not sustainable. You don't think St. Brown can't sit down in our zone like Nacua did? Edited December 12 by LABILLBACKER 2 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted December 12 Posted December 12 (edited) 2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: That's close to, but not exactly the problem. Yes, when they sent more than 4 rushers the defense was exploited. To me this is the problem. Compare the Bills pass rush with the way KC creates pressures with dogs, overloads, etc. It seems a very high percentage of the time, the Bills go straight rush with no loops, no overloads, no games, no slot corner blitzes, nothing. That seems apparent to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I don't review the All-22. The other problem not mentioned in 10 pages is that both Von and Groot are much more effective rushing from the defensive left side... ironically the non-blind side. When you move either to the RDE position they are not nearly as good. To me the answer is to keep them BOTH on the left side of the defense. On passing downs have Von rush from LDE and move Groot inside to LDT where even if he can't beat the guard, his height and wingspan create problems in the passing lanes. And IMO he'll have an easier time beating a guard than a tackle. Then on the other side of the D-line... I agree with both of you completely. In all his years in the league, AJ continues to lose contain and looks lost on the edge. Like my Groot example above, Epenesa needs to move inside on passing downs. This would 1) allow him to use his height and length to create problems in the passing lanes 2) eliminate him as a liability in setting the edge and trying to contain 3) allow him to reprise the bull rush power game he used so well at Iowa and 4) allow Javon Solomon to play RDE on passing downs. I would love to see DaQuan and Oliver play only on run and neutral downs. On obvious passing downs I would want to see: Von Groot Epenesa Solomon LDE LDT RDT RDE Speaking of saving bullets: 1) I think it's a crime that Elam is not being given the opportunity to play. Create schemes where his obvious talents can be used. Could the Bills have done any worse had they simply dressed Elam and had him travel with Nacua? 2) It was a mistake to not allow Dorian to get in there and see what he could do. A) Dorian had been steadily improving and B) Milano was obviously struggling and is still trying to get up to speed. 3) Javon Solomon had shown flashes early in the season. He is a pass rushing weapon. I get it... they don't TRUST HIM... but they trust AJ Epenesa who is not a trustworthy edge player? I'm sad to think of the dozens of snaps of experience that Elam and Solomon missed out on over the course of this season. Like most of the defensive problems, it's a failure of coaching, IMO. Nothing pissed me off more than watching KC play a bunch of rookies in the 22 AFC championship, play well and actually challenge Cincy, but watch Sean's soft zone scheme get absolutely shredded by a Cincy team with literal practice squad level olineman playing. Completely ridiculous Edited December 12 by Kelly to Allen 5 Quote
Tenhigh Posted December 12 Posted December 12 On 12/9/2024 at 8:44 AM, dorquemada said: "And with the 28th pick in the draft, the Buffalo Bills select Randolph Mcgillicudy, the undersized high motor EDGE from East Pennsyltucky State. Boy we sure weren't expecting him to go this high!" I was thinking Chris Kelsay Jr 1 Quote
dave mcbride Posted December 12 Posted December 12 https://www.nbcsports.com/watch/nfl/chris-simms-unbuttoned/buffalo-bills-lacking-defensive-game-changer-after-loss-to-los-angeles-rams Chris Simms on Buffalo’s lack of defensive talent. 1 2 Quote
Gregg Posted December 12 Posted December 12 One draft "expert" thinks we take Ohio State DE Jack Sawyer in the upcoming draft. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-predicted-to-add-18-5-sack-6-5-defender-to-address-major-need/ar-AA1vKoMQ?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=35f7dd6dbc5940c69a336ff99998b458&ei=12 1 Quote
dorquemada Posted December 12 Posted December 12 4 hours ago, Tenhigh said: I was thinking Chris Kelsay Jr That's thinking small. How about Aaron Maybin Jr? Quote
Tenhigh Posted December 12 Posted December 12 1 minute ago, dorquemada said: That's thinking small. How about Aaron Maybin Jr? You sir, are a master. 1 Quote
Buffalo ill Posted December 12 Posted December 12 (edited) I don't like the Bills odds of drafting a true game changer DT or DE at the end of the first or start of the second. If there is a true stud, they are going to have to give up some draft picks and move up, a lot. Edited December 12 by Buffalo ill Quote
VW82 Posted December 12 Posted December 12 (edited) 13 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: To me this is the problem. Compare the Bills pass rush with the way KC creates pressures with dogs, overloads, etc. It seems a very high percentage of the time, the Bills go straight rush with no loops, no overloads, no games, no slot corner blitzes, nothing. That seems apparent to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I don't review the All-22. The other problem not mentioned in 10 pages is that both Von and Groot are much more effective rushing from the defensive left side... ironically the non-blind side. When you move either to the RDE position they are not nearly as good. To me the answer is to keep them BOTH on the left side of the defense. On passing downs have Von rush from LDE and move Groot inside to LDT where even if he can't beat the guard, his height and wingspan create problems in the passing lanes. And IMO he'll have an easier time beating a guard than a tackle. Then on the other side of the D-line... I agree with both of you completely. In all his years in the league, AJ continues to lose contain and looks lost on the edge. Like my Groot example above, Epenesa needs to move inside on passing downs. This would 1) allow him to use his height and length to create problems in the passing lanes 2) eliminate him as a liability in setting the edge and trying to contain 3) allow him to reprise the bull rush power game he used so well at Iowa and 4) allow Javon Solomon to play RDE on passing downs. I would love to see DaQuan and Oliver play only on run and neutral downs. On obvious passing downs I would want to see: Von Groot Epenesa Solomon LDE LDT RDT RDE Speaking of saving bullets: 1) I think it's a crime that Elam is not being given the opportunity to play. Create schemes where his obvious talents can be used. Could the Bills have done any worse had they simply dressed Elam and had him travel with Nacua? 2) It was a mistake to not allow Dorian to get in there and see what he could do. A) Dorian had been steadily improving and B) Milano was obviously struggling and is still trying to get up to speed. 3) Javon Solomon had shown flashes early in the season. He is a pass rushing weapon. I get it... they don't TRUST HIM... but they trust AJ Epenesa who is not a trustworthy edge player? I'm sad to think of the dozens of snaps of experience that Elam and Solomon missed out on over the course of this season. Like most of the defensive problems, it's a failure of coaching, IMO. Agree with a lot of this though my point about saving bullets was speaking more to the idea of Dline stunts, using a spy or stacking the box vs. certain teams, creative blitz packages, etc. I like your All-DE rush concept if we could ever generate a 3rd and long. McD would try this stuff in the RS in prior years, and it would lead to wins. Now it feels like he's banking on the talent to win games, and we just don't have much of that on the defensive side of the ball anymore. My theory is McD wants everything to look the same pre-snap. Give them as few different looks as possible, and save the best stuff for the playoffs. The problem is you still have all that tape from prior years, and you may wind up having to use your best stuff on the road because you lost winnable games trying not to show your cards. I've often heard coaches talk about not using your best stuff out of the gate because if it doesn't work you're screwed - you've already made your adjustment. But there's something to be said about not letting them get a rhythm to begin with. You know Stafford excels vs. zone. You know Lamar/Henry present added challenges in the run game. You know healthy Kyler can beat you with his legs once he gets out of the pocket. You know Tua makes quick decisions if you give him space. Why let these people do what they do best and gain confidence before making any adjustments? You're just playing with fire, needlessly. I'll happily eat my words if McD's theoretical plan works in the postseason, but I'm not holding my beath. Edited December 12 by VW82 1 1 Quote
Don Otreply Posted December 12 Posted December 12 14 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: That's close to, but not exactly the problem. Yes, when they sent more than 4 rushers the defense was exploited. To me this is the problem. Compare the Bills pass rush with the way KC creates pressures with dogs, overloads, etc. It seems a very high percentage of the time, the Bills go straight rush with no loops, no overloads, no games, no slot corner blitzes, nothing. That seems apparent to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I don't review the All-22. The other problem not mentioned in 10 pages is that both Von and Groot are much more effective rushing from the defensive left side... ironically the non-blind side. When you move either to the RDE position they are not nearly as good. To me the answer is to keep them BOTH on the left side of the defense. On passing downs have Von rush from LDE and move Groot inside to LDT where even if he can't beat the guard, his height and wingspan create problems in the passing lanes. And IMO he'll have an easier time beating a guard than a tackle. Then on the other side of the D-line... I agree with both of you completely. In all his years in the league, AJ continues to lose contain and looks lost on the edge. Like my Groot example above, Epenesa needs to move inside on passing downs. This would 1) allow him to use his height and length to create problems in the passing lanes 2) eliminate him as a liability in setting the edge and trying to contain 3) allow him to reprise the bull rush power game he used so well at Iowa and 4) allow Javon Solomon to play RDE on passing downs. I would love to see DaQuan and Oliver play only on run and neutral downs. On obvious passing downs I would want to see: Von Groot Epenesa Solomon LDE LDT RDT RDE Speaking of saving bullets: 1) I think it's a crime that Elam is not being given the opportunity to play. Create schemes where his obvious talents can be used. Could the Bills have done any worse had they simply dressed Elam and had him travel with Nacua? 2) It was a mistake to not allow Dorian to get in there and see what he could do. A) Dorian had been steadily improving and B) Milano was obviously struggling and is still trying to get up to speed. 3) Javon Solomon had shown flashes early in the season. He is a pass rushing weapon. I get it... they don't TRUST HIM... but they trust AJ Epenesa who is not a trustworthy edge player? I'm sad to think of the dozens of snaps of experience that Elam and Solomon missed out on over the course of this season. Like most of the defensive problems, it's a failure of coaching, IMO. Frankly I’m so damn tired of Sean “ not trusting “ some players, Elam and Solomon should be seeing reps in every game, as should Bishop, the Better teams/coaches know how to attack Sean’s defense successfully, they gotta change up how they do things! 1 2 Quote
JohnNord Posted December 12 Posted December 12 On 12/9/2024 at 6:57 AM, stlbills13 said: Yesterday's game was 7 on 7 basically on both sides of the ball. And we sat in a soft zone for 55 minutes This isn’t true. They tried switching up and playing man coverage. Also tried blitzing. None of this worked. As the OP said the problem was the defensive line. 1 1 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted December 12 Posted December 12 (edited) 14 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said: Nothing pissed me off more than watching KC play a bunch of rookies in the 22 AFC championship, play well and actually challenge Cincy, but watch Sean's soft zone scheme get absolutely shredded by a Cincy team with literal practice squad level olineman playing. Completely ridiculous As the title of this thread says, "the root source of the D's problems is the D-line. Your LB's and dbs always look better when there's pressure. Sean & Brandon unfortunately have failed to find an elite pass rusher. There hasn't been a game wrecker since Josh was drafted. All we have is a bunch of under performing Jags that make up Sean's defensive scheme. The problem is you can't run a zone scheme against superior teams with very good veteran qbs. And if you fail to pressure these qbs, you'll see what we witnessed in LA. I guarantee you Johnson does the same thing McVay did. In the playoffs qbs like Mahomes/Burrow can easily carve up this zone w/o front 4 pressure. Groot 6.5 sacks (3 week 1) AJE 5 and Von 4. I'm sorry but when your top 3 DE's are averaging 5 sacks this late in the season you're DL is struggling big time. Edited December 12 by LABILLBACKER Quote
GunnerBill Posted December 12 Posted December 12 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: As the title of this thread says, "the root source of the D's problems is the D-line. Your LB's and dbs always look better when there's pressure. Sean & Brandon unfortunately have failed to find an elite pass rusher. There hasn't been a game wrecker since Josh was drafted. All we have is a bunch of under performing Jags that make up Sean's defensive scheme. The problem is you can't run a zone scheme against superior teams with very good veteran qbs. And if you fail to pressure these qbs, you'll see what we witnessed in LA. I guarantee you Johnson does the same thing McVay did. In the playoffs qbs like Mahomes/Burrow can easily carve up this zone w/o front 4 pressure. Groot 6.5 sacks (3 week 1) AJE 5 and Von 4. I'm sorry but when your top 3 DE's are averaging 5 sacks this late in the season you're DL is struggling big time. Stafford tore up their man looks even worse. When they blitzed and playes man they were significantly worse than when playing zone defense. Quote
3rdand12 Posted December 12 Posted December 12 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: As the title of this thread says, "the root source of the D's problems is the D-line. Your LB's and dbs always look better when there's pressure. Sean & Brandon unfortunately have failed to find an elite pass rusher. There hasn't been a game wrecker since Josh was drafted. All we have is a bunch of under performing Jags that make up Sean's defensive scheme. The problem is you can't run a zone scheme against superior teams with very good veteran qbs. And if you fail to pressure these qbs, you'll see what we witnessed in LA. I guarantee you Johnson does the same thing McVay did. In the playoffs qbs like Mahomes/Burrow can easily carve up this zone w/o front 4 pressure. Groot 6.5 sacks (3 week 1) AJE 5 and Von 4. I'm sorry but when your top 3 DE's are averaging 5 sacks this late in the season you're DL is struggling big time. If they cant get home , just start playing the passing lanes after 3 steps and get your hands up. BABICH ! Quote
3rdand12 Posted December 12 Posted December 12 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Stafford tore up their man looks even worse. When they blitzed and playes man they were significantly worse than when playing zone defense. And so if you were McBabich / how would you have countered Rams offense in the second half ? Quote
GunnerBill Posted December 12 Posted December 12 19 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: And so if you were McBabich / how would you have countered Rams offense in the second half ? I've said above. Id have played more coverage, pushed my DBs up 5 yards and tried to flood the short zones Stafford was exposing. Blitzing repeatedly when your blitzes are not working is one of the surest ways to get beat in the NFL. 1 Quote
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