The root source of D problems is the D Line

[3rdand12]

19 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Actually I was referring more to your suggestion to push DB's closer to the LOS, attack the short areas and try to force the issue in the secondary even at the risk of getting beat over the top.

As for the blitzing issue, those "blitzes" the Bills were running Sunday were half-measures that had virtually no chance to get home. You want to make Stafford uncomfortable, sending a 5th rusher every once in a while because you're afraid of getting beat up top isn't going to cut it. Throw two up the A-gaps, crash him with the Nickel and a 'backer from both edges. The price for failure is lessened when your offense is being run by the best QB in the world.

 

Oh, and neutralize is spelled with a "z", Tommy 

 

Knowing the context here , I had to laugh out loud.

 Salient points from both of ya mates

19 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Problem was they telegraphed their blitzes. It was just so obvious when they were going to blitz vs rush 4 and play zone. They need more simulated pressures to keep the offence guessing a bit.

 

Cause if i can figure it out what they are doing pre snap from my couch, I am pretty sure Mcvay/Stafford can

Thank you. McBabich was not fooling him. Thats an issue.

[klos63]

8 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

It's still McD's defense. 

Not really. 

[BillsFan130]

18 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Not really. 

It's definitely McDermotts defensive scheme/philosophy . Babich is just the  play caller 

[CircleTheWagons99]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

It's definitely McDermotts defensive scheme/philosophy . Babich is just the  play caller 

Thank you. 

[klos63]

30 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

It's definitely McDermotts defensive scheme/philosophy . Babich is just the  play caller 

Babich is also the DC, not 'just the play caller'. He was appointed DC before McDermott decided he would call the plays. 

[BillsFan130]

8 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Babich is also the DC, not 'just the play caller'. He was appointed DC before McDermott decided he would call the plays. 

For sure, agreed . But the principles and scheme from this defence are 100 percent McDermott rooted. That's what I was trying to say

Edited December 14 by BillsFan130

[klos63]

23 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

For sure, agreed . But the principles and scheme from this defence are 100 percent McDermott rooted. That's what I was trying to say

OK, fair enough. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Guess we know where this upcoming draft is headed (again), but we don’t have much choice…need to get DL right!!

[3rdand12]

13 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Guess we know where this upcoming draft is headed (again), but we don’t have much choice…need to get DL right!!

Draft  1 Tech and a true Nose tackle. Go to the 3- 4  LOL

We have 3 capable LBs.

 

But seriously. If drafting DL get AJ and D Jones replacement

[Kelly to Allen]

13 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Guess we know where this upcoming draft is headed (again), but we don’t have much choice…need to get DL right!!

I don't get as mad about drafting dline. You can never have enough talent there

[WideNine]

On 12/13/2024 at 2:30 AM, Matt_In_NH said:

Been looking at this thread for a while.  What in the world is a root source?

 

Tough to answer and not just one thing.

 

Talent evaluation of our front four has been poor, too many high draft picks over the years who don't play up to expectations.

 

Followed closely by grooming and coaching up the talent up front.

 

Some inflexibility with defensive schemes and scheming. We seem to be built to take on KC, but have very limited ability to flex and have a lot of defensive success against some of the better emerging offensive teams that use tight formations heavy personnel and feature the run.

 

Babich has a long history with McDermott, although that made for a smoother transition into his role, perhaps they need to look outside their comfort zones and hire a defensive assistant that can inject fresh ideas and concepts into the game plans so we are less predictable.

 

This team does not play or coach well chasing a score so why employ a defense that easily concedes rushing yards and early scores?

 

That has to change sooner rather than later.

 

The Rams players balled-out and there were some amazing individual efforts, but we made it look easy when compared to the offensive slog they had vs the 49ers defense.

 

Then don't be out-coached on game day. For every lever Babich pulled vs McVay he and his coaching staff already had an answer...we were predictable in our responses. That points to some better self-scouting needed.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 15 by WideNine

[3rdand12]

22 hours ago, WideNine said:

 

Tough to answer and not just one thing.

 

Talent evaluation of our front four has been poor, too many high draft picks over the years who don't play up to expectations.

 

Followed closely by grooming and coaching up the talent up front.

 

Some inflexibility with defensive schemes and scheming. We seem to be built to take on KC, but have very limited ability to flex and have a lot of defensive success against some of the better emerging offensive teams that use tight formations heavy personnel and feature the run.

 

Babich has a long history with McDermott, although that made for a smoother transition into his role, perhaps they need to look outside their comfort zones and hire a defensive assistant that can inject fresh ideas and concepts into the game plans so we are less predictable.

 

This team does not play or coach well chasing a score so why employ a defense that easily concedes rushing yards and early scores?

 

That has to change sooner rather than later.

 

The Rams players balled-out and there were some amazing individual efforts, but we made it look easy when compared to the offensive slog they had vs the 49ers defense.

 

Then don't be out-coached on game day. For every lever Babich pulled vs McVay he and his coaching staff already had an answer...we were predictable in our responses. That points to some better self-scouting needed.

 

 

 

 

 

So more like a fishbone diagram in a CI effort using a rapid improvement method.

As compared to root cause

 

LOL

Cheers WN 🙂

[NewEra]

The return of ED?   What a start for he and Rousseau.  They’re getting upfield and Goff is panicking 

[WideNine]

44 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The return of ED?   What a start for he and Rousseau.  They’re getting upfield and Goff is panicking 

 

Maybe they took some heat for the effort vs the Rams.

 

There certainly were some scheme issues, but the effort was not where it needed to be either.

 

We will see, I have seen a different approach to defending bunch and tight/heavy sets this game with Detroit.

 

Also Detroit has had to go unconventional and off script more than a few times to move the ball, so our D is making them work for it.

 

With the lead and Allen and our offense that may be enough, but we will see.

 

I am more pleased with the effort and the early game planning.

 

 

 

[GreggTX]

They're very average. Rousseau is the only really good starter.

[davefan66]

Defensive line showed up today. Helped a depleted defensive backfield.

 

Rousseau played well today, Oliver had a MONSTER game! Both were credited for a sack today.

Edited December 16 by davefan66

[Dr.Sack]

3 sacks. DL stuffed run. Pass D was hard but did enough to win.

[PoundingDog]

This is what the Bills D need to be --- it wasn't great, giving up, realistically, 35 points. They stopped the Lions high powered offense 3 drives and had a turnover. 

 

Personally I feel this is what the D need to do. First and foremoset, STOP THE RUN. The Lions was not able to run with much success. They wound up with 18 runs and 59 passes. We can play shoot up with any team, prefer not against teams chewing up time and leaving our offense with 20 minutes of time like the Rams game. From there, stop them once or twice or a turnover. That's all we need now.

 

Now back to STOP THE RUN part. That's where I think we need some DTs, not necessarily guys who can rush the passer, just guys who's stout against run.

 

[BillsFan130]

Big Eddy came to play today. What a game by him 

[3rdand12]

On 12/15/2024 at 5:37 PM, WideNine said:

 

Maybe they took some heat for the effort vs the Rams.

 

There certainly were some scheme issues, but the effort was not where it needed to be either.

 

We will see, I have seen a different approach to defending bunch and tight/heavy sets this game with Detroit.

 

Also Detroit has had to go unconventional and off script more than a few times to move the ball, so our D is making them work for it.

 

With the lead and Allen and our offense that may be enough, but we will see.

 

I am more pleased with the effort and the early game planning.

 

 

 

I am stealing this lead in

 

 

Takeaways, game balls from the Buffalo Bills' 48-42 win over the Detroit Lions

‘Gashed by the Rams last week, the Bills’ defense – minus three starters in the secondary – forced Detroit’s league-leading scoring offense to punt on its first two drives. On the opening drive, defensive tackle Ed Oliver and linebacker Matt Milano combined for a second-and-10 run stuff (David Montgomery for no gain). On the second drive, cornerback Christian Benford’s first career sack was followed by Oliver’s third-down sack. The Bills turned those two stops into a 14-0 lead and they never trailed.’