Blackbeard Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, finn said: Saddled with a coach who chokes in the clutch. What doesn't seem to get reported are the times he doesn't "choke in the clutch". Some of you expect 100% perfection, which just isn't reasonable. All play calls are successful based upon percentages. Some coaches make bad decisions on plays, yet they turn out well. Some make great decisions on plays, which don't turn out well. Its the ones that don't turn out well that get criticized. And ALL coaches make them, and without the hindsight and extra time given to the Monday Morning qb. 2 3 Quote
BananaB Posted December 13 Posted December 13 25 minutes ago, Dan said: I’m not sure you can say that. One of the greatest playoff games in history… Allen matched him score for score in the 4th quarter… scored the winning TD. Only to sit down and watch the defense lose the game in the final 13secomds and OT. Allen outplayed Mahomes in that game. Heck even last year.. Allen brought them to with a very marketable FG to tie and send it to OT. Only to sit down and watch the kicker miss. Josh has been clutch. The difference is, Josh has to build a 2 score lead to have the same chance of winning that Mahomes has with a 2 pt lead. Allen has outplayed Mahommes in almost every game head to head 1 Quote
No_Matter_What Posted December 13 Posted December 13 (edited) 24 minutes ago, uticaclub said: We also lost to Cinci, defense bends in the regular season, breaks in the playoffs. Our coaching and roster build philosophies have more to do with it then a QB in KC. Who is more likely to make game changing plays Chris Jones or Ed Oliver? What has your question to do with your previous statement? Chris Jones, obviously. But Jones vs Oliver isn't about "roster building philosophy". Jones is an exceptional player who Chiefs happened to draft 9 years ago. I'm sure Beane would love to draft some Joneses but it not that easy. He also tried to get some Jones in FA (Miller), but was unlucky that he got hurt. Unlike Jones who is always available. Edited December 13 by No_Matter_What Quote
BeastMaster Posted December 13 Posted December 13 7 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: What doesn't seem to get reported are the times he doesn't "choke in the clutch". Some of you expect 100% perfection, which just isn't reasonable. All play calls are successful based upon percentages. Some coaches make bad decisions on plays, yet they turn out well. Some make great decisions on plays, which don't turn out well. Its the ones that don't turn out well that get criticized. And ALL coaches make them, and without the hindsight and extra time given to the Monday Morning qb. McDermott makes them more than the other top coaches, and even more importantly, his defense (which is supposed to be his specialty) has failed spectacularly every year in the playoffs The excuses for McDermott are wearing thin as he is losing games where Allen goes god mode and shouldn't lose. This can no longer be ignored/defended If it happens again this playoffs...expect a ton of criticism from not just the media, but the fanbase as well because we can't keep wasting years of Allen due to coaching and defensive failures 1 1 1 Quote
finn Posted December 13 Posted December 13 4 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: What doesn't seem to get reported are the times he doesn't "choke in the clutch". Some of you expect 100% perfection, which just isn't reasonable. All play calls are successful based upon percentages. Some coaches make bad decisions on plays, yet they turn out well. Some make great decisions on plays, which don't turn out well. Its the ones that don't turn out well that get criticized. And ALL coaches make them, and without the hindsight and extra time given to the Monday Morning qb. Fair. I do appreciate McDermott's aggressiveness on fourth down, which ranks among the highest among coaches. But I'm still looking for those calls on his part where, afterwards, I think, "Damn, he nailed it and helped the team." I think those would be as salient as the ones he screws up. The only two examples I can think of were the last two fake punts he called, which I thought were great calls, even though one of them (relying inexplicably on the glacial Hamlin) failed. Be honest: Wouldn't you have been impressed and astonished in equal measures if McDermott had declined that Rams penalty in the fourth quarter, likely leading the Rams to try a field goal instead of going for it (and ultimately scoring a TD)? It would have been counter-intuitive, fast-thinking, and correct. Does that sound like the Bills head coach? 1 Quote
uticaclub Posted December 13 Posted December 13 (edited) 7 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: What has your question to do with your previous statement? Chris Jones, obviously. But Jones vs Oliver isn't about "roster building philosophy". Jones is an exceptional player who Chiefs happened to draft 9 years ago. I'm sure Beane would love to draft some Joneses but it not that easy. He also tried to get some Jones in FA (Miller), but was unlucky that he got hurt. Unlike Jones who is always available. It was said 15 was the sole reason we aren't making the Super Bowl. I say also having no reliable playmakers on defense is another major reason. Edited December 13 by uticaclub 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted December 13 Posted December 13 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: McDermott makes them more than the other top coaches, and even more importantly, his defense (which is supposed to be his specialty) has failed spectacularly every year in the playoffs The excuses for McDermott are wearing thin as he is losing games where Allen goes god mode and shouldn't lose. This can no longer be ignored/defended If it happens again this playoffs...expect a ton of criticism from not just the media, but the fanbase as well because we can't keep wasting years of Allen due to coaching and defensive failures At the end of the day, we need players on defense that can end up taking over a game like Chris Jones does when the Chiefs need him to late and in close games in the 4th quarter in the playoffs. We have ZERO players that are capable of that outside Von Miller, who we have never seen in the playoffs yet with us. 1 hour ago, finn said: Saddled with a coach who chokes in the clutch. As I've said elsewhere, I don't hold McDermott's weaknesses against him, but I do think he needs to recognize and address them. He brought in an expert to help him decide when to challenge plays. That was admirable. Now he needs to bring in an expert to help him in other high-pressure situations. Allen can't do it alone. He needs the other in-game units--defense, special teams, and coaching/game management--to at least not be liabilities. In the Rams game, all three of these units let him down. All three. And he still almost pulled off a victory. In my view, the team and coaches need to meet apart from Allen and talk things over. They need to recognize what they have, how rare it is, and how important it is to not blow it. Saddled with players on defense that shrink in the moment. Know what could happen in those situations McD "chokes in the clutch" as you put it? Someone on the defense could make a single goddamn play one time to prevent any of it from happening. They never do. THAT is the actual problem far more than McD "choking in the clutch". Defenders who play like Lamar does in the playoffs...play your worst game in the biggest moment. Ever watch how many playoff games Chris Jones has single handedly saved the Chiefs in late in the 4th quarter when a play needs to be made? It happens almost every single game. Who on the Bills is doing that? Nobody. We let Tyreek Hill catch a 8 yard crosser and house it for 75 yards in that situation. Edited December 13 by Big Turk 1 1 Quote
CircleTheWagons99 Posted December 13 Posted December 13 Just now, bills742 said: Elam gets the start???? Quote
Beck Water Posted December 13 Posted December 13 2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Sadly, we went from Brady to Mahomes, with no delay. 15 is THE REASON 17 hasn't been to a SB yet. Joe Burrow says "Hi!" 1 Quote
bills742 Posted December 13 Posted December 13 Just now, CircleTheWagons99 said: Elam gets the start???? McD said he has a good idea who will get the start but didn't say who between Elam and Ingram. Quote
finn Posted December 13 Posted December 13 36 minutes ago, Big Turk said: At the end of the day, we need players on defense that can end up taking over a game like Chris Jones does when the Chiefs need him to late and in close games in the 4th quarter in the playoffs. We have ZERO players that are capable of that outside Von Miller, who we have never seen in the playoffs yet with us. Who on the Bills is doing that? Nobody. Taron with the big interception against the Ravens in 2021 comes to mind. Hyde's incredible 2022 interception of Mac Jones in the end zone. That was the Wildcard round. 1 Quote
Gregg Posted December 13 Posted December 13 2 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Sadly, we went from Brady to Mahomes, with no delay. 15 is THE REASON 17 hasn't been to a SB yet. You mean the Bills defense. 2 1 Quote
Brand J Posted December 13 Posted December 13 6 minutes ago, bills742 said: McD said he has a good idea who will get the start but didn't say who between Elam and Ingram. If Ingram trots out there and starts over Elam, then there’s no reason Elam shouldn’t have been unloaded for whatever they could’ve gotten. Add on his inactive designations and it’d be clear the coaching staff doesn’t believe in him. Could’ve traded down and got Kyle Gordon or Cam Taylor-Britt in the 2nd round of that same draft. Both starters for their respective teams. Whoever plays in place of Douglas, I hope he balls out. 1 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted December 13 Posted December 13 6 minutes ago, finn said: Taron with the big interception against the Ravens in 2021 comes to mind. Hyde's incredible 2022 interception of Mac Jones in the end zone. That was the Wildcard round. Who is there when we played the Chiefs or Bengals? Nobody. Quote
Charles Romes Posted December 13 Posted December 13 Douglas’s opposing QB rating when targeted is 124.1 this year. May be a blessing in disguise that he will not be out there. Hope Elam makes a play or two and forces his way out of the dog house. Both Ingram and Elam seem to have a higher big play ceiling that what Douglas has shown this year. 1 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted December 13 Posted December 13 so does Coleman step right back in? Cooper Shakir Coleman Hollins Samuel ? 2 Quote
HappyDays Posted December 13 Posted December 13 Excited to see how Coleman fits into this offense which has gotten better and better as Cooper's usage has increased. The injury was frustrating because he had two great games against Tennessee and Seattle, then a bad game against Miami that he never had a chance to bounce back from. If everyone stays healthy the offense has four games to fully ramp up in time for the playoffs. Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, Dan said: I’m not sure you can say that. One of the greatest playoff games in history… Allen matched him score for score in the 4th quarter… scored the winning TD. Only to sit down and watch the defense lose the game in the final 13secomds and OT. Allen outplayed Mahomes in that game. Heck even last year.. Allen brought them to with a very marketable FG to tie and send it to OT. Only to sit down and watch the kicker miss. Josh has been clutch. The difference is, Josh has to build a 2 score lead to have the same chance of winning that Mahomes has with a 2 pt lead. Okay, I agree with you. 😁 1 1 Quote
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