Ok on to Detroit....

[Conlan58]

I can see this being a no-punt game all around where the Bills win after stuffing the lions 2pt conversion attempt after scoring a touchdown as time expires and going for the win. 

 

That or the Bills score as time expires and Bass misses the XP.

 

Either way, won't be much defense in this one. 

[BananaB]

6 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Really no idea what to think for this game. Lions got the extra 3 days off and are rolling. We had zero practice this week, seem suddenly banged up again, and our defensive performance last week didn't inspire confidence. 

 

If our O can get going early (unlike 1st half last week), and our D can at least hold up in the red zone on at least 2 or so drives for FG we might have a shot to keep it close.

 

Oh and NO special teams blunders please.

Coach McD is loving what you are saying here. O scored 6 TDs and expects more out of them

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

If Allen doesn't get it, especially after what happened last year, it's pretty cruel and borderline bizarre 

 

You can't keep breaking all time all time production records. 

 

So 5 straight years of 40 tds or more and nobody has ever had more than 3?

 

 

 

He also leads the NFL all-time in TDs/game. He is literally the most productive player to ever play in the NFL on a per game basis.

 

[Kelly to Allen]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

He also leads the NFL all-time in TDs/game. He is literally the most productive player to ever play in the NFL on a per game basis.

 

And this is the growing frustration 

 

I honestly don't think ppl would be as hard on McDermott if it was like a Herbert situation or our QB was like McNabb / McNair / Flutie or something. The expectations wouldn't be so filled with angst and resentment. You'll see even more rage if Herbert for example sneaks into a super bowl...

 

But we have this all time all time productive QB , including in the playoffs, and even KC fans like troll Nick wright say is terrifying and a top 2-3 QB and his side of the ball ,( McDermotts defense) is not just a let down. It's been a horror show 

 

You can't have a QB as great as Allen and you're not getting to a few super bowls.  It's unacceptable and doesn't even make sense. Even Marino at least got to one. Elway got to a few before he won a couple later

 

Ppl keep responding with the Strawnman, " it's so hard to get to the super bowl"....

 

Ummm no it's not. Not when you have a QB like Allen, Mahomes, burrow, Elway, Staubach etc

 

Even in the 20 AFC championship, The offense scored 24 points mahomes scored 23 pts in the 22 AFC championship and advances

 

Frickin Kelly scored 10 pts in an AFC championship and advanced. He didn't even play good in the 92 AFC championship but his defense pulled it's weight 

 

It's extremely frustrating and it's why fans explode on McDermott after a game the defense had vs the rams 

 

The McDermott sychophants gotta stop pretending they don't understand why ppl are upset 

 

 

Edited December 13 by Kelly to Allen

[Johnnycage46]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

Coach McD is loving what you are saying here. O scored 6 TDs and expects more out of them

I didn't realize points carry over to the next game.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

And this is the growing frustration 

 

I honestly don't think ppl would be as hard on McDermott if it was like a Herbert situation or our QB was like McNabb / McNair / Flutie or something. The expectations wouldn't be so filled with angst and resentment. You'll see even more rage if Herbert for example sneaks into a super bowl...

 

But we have this all time all time productive QB , including in the playoffs, and even KC fans like troll Nick wright say is terrifying and a top 2-3 QB and his side of the ball ,( McDermotts defense) is not just a let down. It's been a horror show 

 

You can't have a QB as great as Allen and you're not getting to a few super bowls.  It's unacceptable and doesn't even make sense. Even Marino at least got to one. Elway got to a few before he won a couple later

 

Ppl keep responding with the Strawnman, " it's so hard to get to the super bowl"....

 

Ummm no it's not. Not when you have a QB like Allen, Mahomes, burrow, Elway, Staubach etc

 

Even in the 20 AFC championship, The offense scored 24 points mahomes scored 23 pts in the 22 AFC championship and advances

 

Frickin Kelly scored 10 pts in an AFC championship and advanced. He didn't even play good in the 92 AFC championship but his defense pulled it's weight 

 

It's extremely frustrating and it's why fans explode on McDermott after a game the defense had vs the rams 

 

The McDermott sychophants gotta stop pretending they don't understand why ppl are upset 

 

 

Yeah I mean this is the real question facing the organization in the next 1-3 years. 

 

If McDermott and the Bills keep losing in the Divisional, how long does he get? 

 

He's a 5-6 career coach in the Playoffs. 

 

If you keep him too long, you look back and say we had Marvin Lewis, we had Marty Schottenheimer and didn't act quickly enough. 

 

2024 will be his 5th Josh Allen prime Playoff run.

 

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

10 hours ago, zow2 said:

 

I tend to agree with this but does that mean Brandon Beane has accumulated such mediocre talent that the Bills would only be good for 5-6 wins?

Take a look at the teams without Franchise QBs or developing ones

 

Giants, Browns, Saints, Jets, Raiders. All those teams are going to win anywhere from 3-7 games in a given year. Bills fans should know better than most the difference a franchise QB makes 

 

[Goin Breakdown]

Wgr painted a picture this morning that our defense is bottom 10 in all categories other than takeaways. No take away= no good. They seem better than this but after last weeks game I am concerned that the defense and its guru may cost us again this week (or further). 

[Kelly to Allen]

13 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Wgr painted a picture this morning that our defense is bottom 10 in all categories other than takeaways. No take away= no good. They seem better than this but after last weeks game I am concerned that the defense and its guru may cost us again this week (or further). 

 

We are 8th in scoring defense if I'm not mistaken 

We are 10th in dvoa after the rams game 

8th in run defense dvoa 

 

I think they're top 5 in havoc plays. Tfl, turnovers, pressures , QB hits etc 

 

The third down defense is like 25th which is bad

 

The total yds given up is 14th I think. Slightly above avg

 

It's a good defense. But they gotta show up in the playoffs 

Edited December 13 by Kelly to Allen

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

I honestly don't think ppl would be as hard on McDermott if it was like a Herbert situation or our QB was like McNabb / McNair / Flutie or something.

 

I think the opposite. People would be harder on him because games like last week would look like some of those 2017 blowout losses we suffered under him. I doubt we would have even made it past the wildcard round by now with anything short of elite QB play. And so McDermott would have nothing to stand on other than being the coach that ended the drought which by NFL reckoning happened practically an eternity ago.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah I mean this is the real question facing the organization in the next 1-3 years. 

 

If McDermott and the Bills keep losing in the Divisional, how long does he get? 

 

He's a 5-6 career coach in the Playoffs. 

 

If you keep him too long, you look back and say we had Marvin Lewis, we had Marty Schottenheimer and didn't act quickly enough. 

 

2024 will be his 5th Josh Allen prime Playoff run.

 

 

 

Guess what? A talented guy by the name of Steve Young lost 8 playoff rounds, another guy named John Elway lost 8 playoff runs before winning two Super Bowls. Dan Marino made 1 Super Bowl and lost it and lost 9 other playoff runs. 

Edited December 13 by The Jokeman

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think the opposite. People would be harder on him because games like last week would look like some of those 2017 blowout losses we suffered under him. I doubt we would have even made it past the wildcard round by now with anything short of elite QB play. And so McDermott would have nothing to stand on other than being the coach that ended the drought which by NFL reckoning happened practically an eternity ago.

 

6 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Guess what? A talented guy by the name of Steve Young lost 8 playoff rounds, another guy named John Elway lost 8 playoff runs before winning two Super Bowls. Dan Marino made 1 Super Bowl and lost it and lost 9 other playoff runs. 

 Elway went to 5 super bowls 

Marino still got to one early. 

 

Steve Young is a bad example because he didn't start until his 30s. Regardless he still got to one early and multiple times in the conference championship games 

 

 

For all intents and purposes, Allen should've been to at least one super bowl already 

 

Big Ben who Allen is often compared to played in the Brady and Manning era

 

Big Ben went to 3 super bowls in his first 6 years 

 

It's embarrassing that we haven't got to a super bowl with Allen yet. To the point where national media is even looking sideways at McDermott, " like what's the problem Sean??". "You have this demon at QB , why aren't you winning Rings???"

 

It's embarrassing 

 

 

Edited December 13 by Kelly to Allen

[WotAGuy]

35 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

We are 8th in scoring defense if I'm not mistaken 

We are 10th in dvoa after the rams game 

8th in run defense dvoa 

 

I think they're top 5 in havoc plays. Tfl, turnovers, pressures , QB hits etc 

 

The third down defense is like 25th which is bad

 

The total yds given up is 14th I think. Slightly above avg

 

It's a good defense. But they gotta show up in the playoffs 

For the Bills, offense is their best defense. If they don’t get up big and/or get turnovers, the defense cannot compete against better offenses. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

25 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 Big Ben who Allen is often compared to played in the Brady and Manning era

 

Big Ben went to 3 super bowls in his first 6 years 

 

It's embarrassing that we haven't got to a super bowl with Allen yet. To the point where national media is even looking sideways at McDermott, " like what's the problem Sean??". "You have this demon at QB , why aren't you winning Rings???"

 

 

 

 

Big Ben never beat the patriots in the playoffs. He’s lucky that other teams did, so he could get to those super bowls. 
 

So much of SB success is dependent on things like that— matchups, seeding, and a few plays here or there.

[Kelly to Allen]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

For the Bills, offense is their best defense. If they don’t get up big and/or get turnovers, the defense cannot compete against better offenses. 

 

 

I've said it before too. The saddest part about bills fans is all we're asking is for the defense to be avg in the playoffs. Like can you keep it to 20-23 pts lol

 

That's literally all we're asking 😭😭😭

 

Please don't be a clown show on defense 

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Big Ben never beat the patriots in the playoffs. He’s lucky that other teams did, so he could get to those super bowls. 
 

So much of SB success is dependent on things like that— matchups, seeding, and a few plays here or there.

He beat Peyton Manning. Moot point. 

 

His defense showed up dude

[Dillenger4]

31 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 Elway went to 5 super bowls 

Marino still got to one early. 

 

Steve Young is a bad example because he didn't start until his 30s. Regardless he still got to one early and multiple times in the conference championship games 

 

 

For all intents and purposes, Allen should've been to at least one super bowl already 

 

Big Ben who Allen is often compared to played in the Brady and Manning era

 

Big Ben went to 3 super bowls in his first 6 years 

 

It's embarrassing that we haven't got to a super bowl with Allen yet. To the point where national media is even looking sideways at McDermott, " like what's the problem Sean??". "You have this demon at QB , why aren't you winning Rings???"

 

It's embarrassing 

 

 

True - but Big Ben had a Defense! The Steelers are always built around a tough D. They can get to the QB, and defend on the corners. The Bills have a weak D. Full stop. No pass rush, questionable corners, poor depth at most spots and it shows.

Our D this year is worse than last year IMO. Starting safeties are weak, CB is an issue, our LB's are small or "hurt" and our DL is invisible.

Let's see what happens this week vs the Lions. If they kill us... we are done in the playoffs and this year was truly the reset mirage that was expected.

[WNYFAN1]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Take a look at the teams without Franchise QBs or developing ones

 

Giants, Browns, Saints, Jets, Raiders. All those teams are going to win anywhere from 3-7 games in a given year. Bills fans should know better than most the difference a franchise QB makes 

 

And the Bills won't have one forever...

[mbowman14]

I think game script is a huge deal.  I have always been a proponent of deferring the ball until the 2nd half to try and double-dip.  The Bills had the double-dip opportunity and failed on both ends which is when the game really went sideways and forced them into chase mode.  The Bills seem to have done a poor job this year of scoring drives when they do get the ball first (Ravens game comes to mind as that set the tone).  That said, the way the Rams took it to the Bills on the opening drive last week has me re-thinking the coin toss philosophy.  It seemed like that drive set the tone and perhaps the Bills would be better off taking the ball and hoping the O can get points on the board first and play from ahead.  I think the Bills are very tough when leading and a huge part of the defense being successful is getting ahead and having game situation dictate or play a role in the opponents' playcalling.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

26 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Big Ben never beat the patriots in the playoffs. He’s lucky that other teams did, so he could get to those super bowls. 
 

So much of SB success is dependent on things like that— matchups, seeding, and a few plays here or there.

So just depend on luck? 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

25 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

He beat Peyton Manning. Moot point. 

 

His defense showed up dude

But he couldn’t beat the GOAT, and that patriots team owned the Steelers in the playoffs.  
 

My point is that Allen and the Bills have the same issue with Mahomes And the chiefs. Coaching probably isn’t going to change it. The better bet is the stars align and we have better matchups and can avoid the chiefs in the playoffs.