Ok on to Detroit....

[No_Matter_What]

7 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Exactly. It's not that they lost. The Bills will lose games, but it is the way they lost. Reminded me of all the playoff failures especially the KC and CIN games. 

People keep talking about the way of losing and I just don't get it.

 

So, what kind of loss is acceptable for you and others? A loss where defense plays good and offense sucks?

 

You guys are talking like Josh Allen lead team could lose in some acceptable way to you lol.

 

 

[Gregg]

Just now, No_Matter_What said:

People keep talking about the way of losing and I just don't get it.

 

So, what kind of loss is acceptable for you and others? A loss where defense plays good and offense sucks?

 

You guys are talking like Josh Allen lead team could lose in some acceptable way to you lol.

 

 

 

Can this defense play well against a good team with a good QB. Playoff history shows they can't. If they would lost 27-24 or something like that it wouldn't have bothered me. Losses happen. But to give up 44 points and have the Rams go up and down the field all day was embarrassing. Reminded me of the playoff losses. With that said 10-3 is a fine record and the Bills have a good shot to clinch the #2 seed. I don't trust McDermott in a big spot come playoff time and I definitely don't trust this defense in the playoffs. 

[Big Turk]

Wow...Detroit Free Press picking the Bills to win this week

 

Lions vs. Bills Week 15 prediction:

 

The Lions offense looked like a machine last week against Green Bay outside of a few hiccups, while the defense filled with new faces found enough stops to keep the streak alive. The prospect of getting those stops against Allen, the best quarterback the Lions face this season, will be tougher. Detroit should be healthier on the defensive line to help neutralize James Cook and the running game, but Allen’s heroics in both the pass and running attack will be something Detroit has not had to truly defend yet this season. Detroit will keep up on the scoreboard though by running the ball on a Bills defense that struggled bringing down Kyren Williams against the Rams. Allen will go down swinging with big-play fireworks and finally deliver the blow to Detroit in a late-game situation.

 

The pick: Bills 31, Lions 28

 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/12/09/detroit-lions-vs-buffalo-bills-betting-odds-predictions-how-to-watch/76863188007/

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:52 PM by Big Turk

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Steelers could easily end up at the 6 and the Ravens 3 from looking at schedules.

AFC North is pretty much going to come down to the BAL/PIT game in Week 16.  If Steelers win that, they win the division.  Ravens win, their odds go up big time.  And Ravens probably have the better chance of winning that game, given it will be in Baltimore.

[Comebackkid]

11 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Wow...Detroit Free Press picking the Bills to win this week

 

Lions vs. Bills Week 15 prediction:

 

The Lions offense looked like a machine last week against Green Bay outside of a few hiccups, while the defense filled with new faces found enough stops to keep the streak alive. The prospect of getting those stops against Allen, the best quarterback the Lions face this season, will be tougher. Detroit should be healthier on the defensive line to help neutralize James Cook and the running game, but Allen’s heroics in both the pass and running attack will be something Detroit has not had to truly defend yet this season. Detroit will keep up on the scoreboard though by running the ball on a Bills defense that struggled bringing down Kyren Williams against the Rams. Allen will go down swinging with big-play fireworks and finally deliver the blow to Detroit in a late-game situation.

 

The pick: Bills 31, Lions 28

 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/12/09/detroit-lions-vs-buffalo-bills-betting-odds-predictions-how-to-watch/76863188007/

 

ive kinda thought greenbays D is better than ours but its all about matchups also....whats your thought on how our 

D matches up againt Detroit vs green bays?

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Comebackkid said:

ive kinda thought greenbays D is better than ours but its all about matchups also....whats your thought on how our 

D matches up againt Detroit vs green bays?

 

I mean not very well. They can easily do what the Rams did to us and worse. 

 

I think the key is the D will actually have their head out of their asses this game and come to play.

 

Probably a game that comes down to the last possession on either side. I would much prefer that possession be with Allen and the O versus Goff against our D.

Edited Tuesday at 10:06 PM by Big Turk

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean not very well. They can easily do what the Rams did to us and worse. 

 

I think the key is the D will actually have their head out of their asses this game and come to play.

 

Probably a game that comes down to the last possession on either side. I would much prefer that possession be with Allen and the O versus Goff against our D.

To me if we can slow down Detroit’s run game enough and hold them to FGs, we have a great chance of winning.  That’s a big IF for this team though.

[Billsatlastin2018]

28 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

People keep talking about the way of losing and I just don't get it.

 

So, what kind of loss is acceptable for you and others? A loss where defense plays good and offense sucks?

 

You guys are talking like Josh Allen lead team could lose in some acceptable way to you lol.

 

 

I NEVER want the HC being responsible for a Loss!

 

[Comebackkid]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean not very well. They can easily do what the Rams did to us and worse. 

 

I think the key is the D will actually have their head out of their asses this game and come to play.

 

Probably a game that comes down to the last possession on either side. I would much prefer that possession be with Allen and the O versus Goff against our D.

Thats kinda what I feared..   someone mentioned that Allen needs to recognize sooner what type of game its going to be...a shoot out or not and 

get some momentum going..which i thought allen did start out more agressively but he did make some mistakes early.  

 

If they had started playing in the 2nd qtr like they did in the late 3rd and 4th they might have put up 60 points.   

 

but back to that theory..i put that on coaches..    I always felt the 13 second game could have been won but we realized to late that we

were in a shoot out.   yesterday i think we seen the writing on the wall, we just couldnt get it going quick enough.

 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

I NEVER want the HC being responsible for a Loss!

 

 

HC are always responsible for a loss. It's their team. They ultimately bear the responsibility.

[Comebackkid]

5 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

To me if we can slow down Detroit’s run game enough and hold them to FGs, we have a great chance of winning.  That’s a big IF for this team though.

the problem is ...  the Bills achillis heel is shutting down teams capable of both running and passing.   I think we will come out with a good game plan and 

hopefully its another game like the one against miami where they had just put 70 on denver...   Thats all i have is hope.

[BearNorth]

14 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

ive kinda thought greenbays D is better than ours but its all about matchups also....whats your thought on how our 

D matches up againt Detroit vs green bays?

Our D has few "stars" at least the way they are playing this season.  Benford is a top corner, but Nacua embarrassed our entire secondary.  Our safeties are journeymen, Milano is still playing his way into game shape.  Our DL [Rosseau and Miller are you listening] was unable to get to a 36 yr old immobile QB, and is facing 3 of the top O-lineman in football in Ragnow, Sewell, & Zeitler.  LaPorta is better than either of our tight ends, Shakir kinda offsets St. Brown.

 

If we don't generate some pressure or turnovers, this could be a blowout on the proportion of the Ravens game.  Josh was able to score on 6 of 9 drives vs. Rams.  Punt Block was a knife in the side that put us in a hole we never dug out of.

[Kelly to Allen]

45 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

People keep talking about the way of losing and I just don't get it.

 

So, what kind of loss is acceptable for you and others? A loss where defense plays good and offense sucks?

 

You guys are talking like Josh Allen lead team could lose in some acceptable way to you lol.

 

 

 

I've dismissed it as an outlier. But there is a difference between losing like a regular close game. Maybe there is a couple turnovers 

 

And then there's losing to a level that is completely absurd and disturbing. The rams loss was that 

 

Again it was the greatest game I've ever seen Stafford play. Even rams fans were saying that. The third down passing was completely nuts. It was like the 7th best EPA ever for a QB 

 

Add in that teams were 245-0 scoring 6 tds with zero turnovers and we lost???? Yeah that's going to create 13 seconds PTSD and ppl are going to be upset.

 

McDermott is a defensive HC. That stuff can't happen and it better not happen in the playoffs.

 

 

4 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Our D has few "stars" at least the way they are playing this season.  Benford is a top corner, but Nacua embarrassed our entire secondary.  Our safeties are journeymen, Milano is still playing his way into game shape.  Our DL [Rosseau and Miller are you listening] was unable to get to a 36 yr old immobile QB, and is facing 3 of the top O-lineman in football in Ragnow, Sewell, & Zeitler.  LaPorta is better than either of our tight ends, Shakir kinda offsets St. Brown.

 

If we don't generate some pressure or turnovers, this could be a blowout on the proportion of the Ravens game.  Josh was able to score on 6 of 9 drives vs. Rams.  Punt Block was a knife in the side that put us in a hole we never dug out of.

The lions are not better than buffalo. 

[NewEra]

48 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

People keep talking about the way of losing and I just don't get it.

 

So, what kind of loss is acceptable for you and others? A loss where defense plays good and offense sucks?

 

You guys are talking like Josh Allen lead team could lose in some acceptable way to you lol.

 

 

It’s an acceptable loss because we have no choice but to accept it.  The season goes on.  What are the consequences for not accepting it?  Fire the coach?
 

I can accept that Stafford and Nacua were dialed in at a level most teams won’t reach.  Josh played maybe the best 2nd half of any player ever.  Watching that gave me lots of hope for what is possible for this team.  Sure, maybe our defense lays another egg or McDermott botches another decision- but when it comes down to it-  this game won’t matter in 3 months.  All that matters is that they learn from their mistakes and continue work hard.  This is the hand we’re playing with.  That’s what we have to accept until this season is over. 

[zow2]

1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said:

People keep talking about the way of losing and I just don't get it.

 

So, what kind of loss is acceptable for you and others? A loss where defense plays good and offense sucks?

 

You guys are talking like Josh Allen lead team could lose in some acceptable way to you lol.

 

 

 

I agree. if someone wants to go around and audit every loss in the NFL this season by 3 points or less, there are a boatload of plays, clock management, timeout usage, personnel issues, etc that can found.  A lot right towards the end. I’m not excusing McD, he’s a moron for overseeing that end of game debacle, 

[BigDingus]

This is the most critical game all year for Allen's MVP candidacy.

 

If the Bills lose, he won't escape the narrative of losing to good teams. People will forgive everything else if the Bills beat both the Chiefs & Lions.

 

As much as I want to win for playoff seeding, I really want to win to keep the MVP hopes alive.

[3rdand12]

On 12/9/2024 at 1:41 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

I see another high scoring game where Josh balls out as usual and our defense blows chunks as usual. I have no faith anymore in our defense and I don't have to wait for the playoffs to say that.  Milano may never be the all-pro he once was and we have no pass rushers on this roster.

Lions 45

Bills  42

If both teams score this much, you have to admit it could to go either way and down to the wire again.

Can't wait for this one.

 BIGGEST game of The Year ~!

Go Bills

On 12/9/2024 at 6:50 AM, vincec said:

The Lions have a way better OL than the Rams and the Bills don’t like to blitz because their DBs are weak in man coverage, so I’m not sure I see how this happens.

so we are going to outsmart them on Defense ?

 /s

[BillsFan130]

Still want the 1 seed, but if KC clinches it up before week 18 it is very possible the Bills clinch the 2 seed by week 17 and can rest their starters week 18

 

Bills got to win 2 out of 3- At detroit, and then the jets and pats- Extremely possible

 

Pitts got to lose 2 out of 3- At Philly, At Balt and KC- Very likely they lose 2 of those

[Logic]

17 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

This is the most critical game all year for Allen's MVP candidacy.

 

If the Bills lose, he won't escape the narrative of losing to good teams. People will forgive everything else if the Bills beat both the Chiefs & Lions.

 

As much as I want to win for playoff seeding, I really want to win to keep the MVP hopes alive.

I don't think losing the game this week pushes Josh out of the top spot as betting favorite for MVP. 

So long as the Bills finish as at least the AFC 2-Seed and Josh continues to play well, I think he wins it.

In my opinion, the Bills could lose this week, but if they win the next three, finish 13-4 as the 2-seed, and Josh continues to play well, he wins it.

That being said, while I don't think losing the game will LOSE Josh the MVP, I DO think that having a great game and leading the Bills to a win would all but definitively seal it up.
 

Edited Tuesday at 11:58 PM by Logic

[BigDingus]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I don't think losing the game this week pushes Josh out of the top spot as betting favorite for MVP. 

So long as the Bills finish as at least the AFC 2-Seed and Josh continues to play well, I think he wins it.

In my opinion, the Bills could lose this week, but if they win the next three, finish 13-4 as the 2-seed, and Josh continues to play well, he wins it.

That being said, while I don't think losing the game will LOSE Josh the MVP, I DO think that having a great game and leading the Bills to a win would all but definitively seal it up.
 

 

But the next 3 are the Jets & Patriots (x2). Voters won't be impressed by that.

 

If people's recent memory is "he lost the last 2 games he played vs winning teams (back-to-back)," they're going to view the back-to-back losses against the Ravens & Texans in a different light.

 

Those weren't just early season flukes, those were just who Allen & the Bills are when they face better teams. He still would have a chance, but I think that would require Saquon to slow down, and the Ravens to not go on a win streak.