Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 13 Posted December 13 2 minutes ago, Mango said: I don't disagree, but lets not forget what happened to the Charges post Shottenheimer. They never recovered. Allen is better than Rivers, but they had a QB and the team spiraled. Also Pegula, I have no faith in Pegula. Then I think the pressure stays on Beane. We know the style of defense will not change under McDermott. But the Ravens and Rams exposed talent concerns. This team needs defensive playmakers everywhere. Damar Hamlin isn't your long term FS, so we assume Cole Bishop takes that spot? Rasul Douglas is a FA after this season, are the Bills giving him an extension at 30 years old? 2025 will be the last year of Benford and Bernard rookie deals. And then the defensive line is going to be thin - Phillips, Jefferson, Johnson, Smoot, Toohill all expired. Von Miller another year older. So anyways, significant resources need to be spent on defense - but there is always going to be that pull to help Allen and the offense. 2 Quote
Casey D Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, finn said: Fair. I do appreciate McDermott's aggressiveness on fourth down, which ranks among the highest among coaches. But I'm still looking for those calls on his part where, afterwards, I think, "Damn, he nailed it and helped the team." I think those would be as salient as the ones he screws up. The only two examples I can think of were the last two fake punts he called, which I thought were great calls, even though one of them (relying inexplicably on the glacial Hamlin) failed. Be honest: Wouldn't you have been impressed and astonished in equal measures if McDermott had declined that Rams penalty in the fourth quarter, likely leading the Rams to try a field goal instead of going for it (and ultimately scoring a TD)? It would have been counter-intuitive, fast-thinking, and correct. Does that sound like the Bills head coach? How about going for it on 4th down late against KC this year and shutting the door-- does that answer your "damn" question. And the second point is silly. If LA went for it on 4th and 5, you think things would be different if 4th and 7 instead. If you think that would have been a shrewd move, I've got some swampland to sell you. Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted December 13 Posted December 13 7 minutes ago, syhuang said: Reader and McNeill are nightmares. Hopefully the IOL is ready 1 Quote
MiltonWaddams Posted December 13 Posted December 13 I imagine that if the team could build a time capsule, they would go back and put Dalton on IR Quote
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 13 Posted December 13 4 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: I imagine that if the team could build a time capsule, they would go back and put Dalton on IR This is his 5th-week now since the injury. At this point bubble wrap him until the Playoffs. Fragile. Quote
finn Posted December 13 Posted December 13 8 minutes ago, Casey D said: How about going for it on 4th down late against KC this year and shutting the door-- does that answer your "damn" question. And the second point is silly. If LA went for it on 4th and 5, you think things would be different if 4th and 7 instead. If you think that would have been a shrewd move, I've got some swampland to sell you. You might check your emotions before you post; they're degrading your persuasiveness and clouding your thinking. I acknowledged that McDermott is doing a good job on offensive fourth downs. And, yes, I do think that, for the Rams, 4th and 7 just after making a big mistake is a very different situation than 4th and 5 just after making a big play. An intuitive coach would have recognized that and declined the penalty. That call might not have changed anything, but it would have shown me something that I just haven't seen from McDermott. Quote
Casey D Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 minute ago, finn said: You might check your emotions before you post; they're degrading your persuasiveness and clouding your thinking. I acknowledged that McDermott is doing a good job on offensive fourth downs. And, yes, I do think that, for the Rams, 4th and 7 just after making a big mistake is a very different situation than 4th and 5 just after making a big play. An intuitive coach would have recognized that and declined the penalty. That call might not have changed anything, but it would have shown me something that I just haven't seen from McDermott. I am sure you think it was obviously correct-- we just disagree. Say on 3rd and 17, Rams gained nothing, or 3 or 5-- good decision. It was a calculated risk that ultimately made a two-yard negative difference. Given that Rams went for it and gained 12, you saying it was a big difference is an interesting opinion with which I disagree. If they gained 5 you might have a point. But taking or declining the penalty, IMO, was a matter of judgment and McD took a more aggressive approach than you would have. Which is kind of ironic that you prefer the cautious approach. Candidly I could have gone either way. Quote
L Ron Burgundy Posted December 13 Posted December 13 Be interesting to see if the defense steps up. They should be embarrassed from last week. Especially the D line, hung the secondary out to dry. Our O will put up points like they do. 1 Quote
BeastMaster Posted December 13 Posted December 13 54 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Douglas’s opposing QB rating when targeted is 124.1 this year. May be a blessing in disguise that he will not be out there. Hope Elam makes a play or two and forces his way out of the dog house. Both Ingram and Elam seem to have a higher big play ceiling that what Douglas has shown this year. It appears that Rasul has returned to his pre Green Bay form where he was awful as an Eagle At least we can walk away after the season Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted December 13 Posted December 13 4 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: It appears that Rasul has returned to his pre Green Bay form where he was awful as an Eagle At least we can walk away after the season I think he was worth the 3rd round pick we gave up for him last year, but it's clear we should NOT extend him. 2 3 Quote
The Jokeman Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, Casey D said: How about going for it on 4th down late against KC this year and shutting the door-- does that answer your "damn" question. And the second point is silly. If LA went for it on 4th and 5, you think things would be different if 4th and 7 instead. If you think that would have been a shrewd move, I've got some swampland to sell you. Yet would they had gone for it again if it was 4th and 10 when closer to the endzone when the refs missed the false start? Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Then I think the pressure stays on Beane. We know the style of defense will not change under McDermott. But the Ravens and Rams exposed talent concerns. This team needs defensive playmakers everywhere. Damar Hamlin isn't your long term FS, so we assume Cole Bishop takes that spot? Rasul Douglas is a FA after this season, are the Bills giving him an extension at 30 years old? 2025 will be the last year of Benford and Bernard rookie deals. And then the defensive line is going to be thin - Phillips, Jefferson, Johnson, Smoot, Toohill all expired. Von Miller another year older. So anyways, significant resources need to be spent on defense - but there is always going to be that pull to help Allen and the offense. I love beane, but he has shown he can't evaluate DL. All the resources put in and we still can't field a front 4 that can consistently get pressure and or sacks. That is what McDermott's defensive scheme must have. And we sure as hell can't stop the run. 1 2 Quote
3rdand12 Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 hour ago, BeastMaster said: It appears that Rasul has returned to his pre Green Bay form where he was awful as an Eagle At least we can walk away after the season He's not playing last I read. Next 58 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I think he was worth the 3rd round pick we gave up for him last year, but it's clear we should NOT extend him. Even as a bargain ? He seems to have been playing injured , before this last tweak. 15 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I love beane, but he has shown he can't evaluate DL. All the resources put in and we still can't field a front 4 that can consistently get pressure and or sacks. That is what McDermott's defensive scheme must have. And we sure as hell can't stop the run. Change the Vision McBeanes Adjust what you want your D line to do. Perhaps , dramatically . 1 Quote
Logic Posted December 13 Posted December 13 2 hours ago, syhuang said: Breaking: already great team gets elite players back just in time for the Bills game. The more things change... 1 1 Quote
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted December 13 Posted December 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, syhuang said: Relax everyone. Bills O-line is healthy and getting (we hope) Coleman and maybe Kincaid back. Bring it on. Edited December 13 by Bob Chandler's Hands 1 1 Quote
stevewin Posted December 13 Posted December 13 4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I think that was Schottenheimer. and people forget how they lost that game. The chargers had a game-clinching interception on 4th down. The chargers DB then fumbled the ball after the pick, recovered by the Pats, who went onto score and win. Classic patriots black magic luck. This is a perfect example of how much luck and circumstances are involved for a SB or even a SB run - for the Patriots (even after you take out the cheating and the refs) there are so many similar crazy things that happened all those years that if just some went the other way no one would be talking about dynasty and GOATs. It is so oversimplified to just always christen people GOATs on SB rings alone - and to say the ONLY measure of success is a SB when there are so many factors beyond good players and coaching. It's silly Quote
Big Turk Posted December 13 Posted December 13 2 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Douglas’s opposing QB rating when targeted is 124.1 this year. May be a blessing in disguise that he will not be out there. Hope Elam makes a play or two and forces his way out of the dog house. Both Ingram and Elam seem to have a higher big play ceiling that what Douglas has shown this year. Elam has always had a knack for making a big play in big moments...that's why I can't understand why he doesn't see the field more. 2 1 4 Quote
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 13 Posted December 13 1 minute ago, stevewin said: This is a perfect example of how much luck and circumstances are involved for a SB or even a SB run - for the Patriots (even after you take out the cheating and the refs) there are so many similar crazy things that happened all those years that if just some went the other way no one would be talking about dynasty and GOATs. It is so oversimplified to just always christen people GOATs on SB rings alone - and to say the ONLY measure of success is a SB when there are so many factors beyond good players and coaching. It's silly Agree completely. So much of it comes down to seeding and luck. For all these SB winners, I bet they can point to one or two huge plays or lucky breaks that were critical in their runs. anyone who has been in any single-elimination competition has experienced this. 1 Quote
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