Ok on to Detroit....

[Mango]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yeah I mean this is the real question facing the organization in the next 1-3 years. 

 

If McDermott and the Bills keep losing in the Divisional, how long does he get? 

 

He's a 5-6 career coach in the Playoffs. 

 

If you keep him too long, you look back and say we had Marvin Lewis, we had Marty Schottenheimer and didn't act quickly enough. 

 

2024 will be his 5th Josh Allen prime Playoff run.

 

 

 

 

I don't disagree, but lets not forget what happened to the Charges post Shottenheimer. They never recovered. Allen is better than Rivers, but they had a QB and the team spiraled. 

Also Pegula, I have no faith in Pegula. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

8 minutes ago, mbowman14 said:

I think game script is a huge deal.  I have always been a proponent of deferring the ball until the 2nd half to try and double-dip.  The Bills had the double-dip opportunity and failed on both ends which is when the game really went sideways and forced them into chase mode.  The Bills seem to have done a poor job this year of scoring drives when they do get the ball first (Ravens game comes to mind as that set the tone).  That said, the way the Rams took it to the Bills on the opening drive last week has me re-thinking the coin toss philosophy.  It seemed like that drive set the tone and perhaps the Bills would be better off taking the ball and hoping the O can get points on the board first and play from ahead.  I think the Bills are very tough when leading and a huge part of the defense being successful is getting ahead and having game situation dictate or play a role in the opponents' playcalling.

I had the same thought. Our team (esp the defense) plays much better and differently with a lead. Gets the other team to be more 1-dimensional. Give me the ball first and get up 7-0. 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

But he couldn’t beat the GOAT, and that patriots team owned the Steelers in the playoffs.  
 

My point is that Allen and the Bills have the same issue with Mahomes And the chiefs. Coaching probably isn’t going to change it. The better bet is the stars align and we have better matchups and can avoid the chiefs in the playoffs. 
 

 

If roethlisberger had been a better QB than Brady the Steelers would have been the dynasty

[The Firebaugh Kid]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 Elway went to 5 super bowls 

Marino still got to one early. 

 

Steve Young is a bad example because he didn't start until his 30s. Regardless he still got to one early and multiple times in the conference championship games 

 

 

For all intents and purposes, Allen should've been to at least one super bowl already 

 

Big Ben who Allen is often compared to played in the Brady and Manning era

 

Big Ben went to 3 super bowls in his first 6 years 

 

It's embarrassing that we haven't got to a super bowl with Allen yet. To the point where national media is even looking sideways at McDermott, " like what's the problem Sean??". "You have this demon at QB , why aren't you winning Rings???"

 

It's embarrassing 

 

 

Sadly, we went from Brady to Mahomes, with no delay.

15 is THE REASON 17 hasn't been to a SB yet. 

[Gregg]

Just now, Mango said:

 

I don't disagree, but lets not forget what happened to the Charges post Shottenheimer. They never recovered. Allen is better than Rivers, but they had a QB and the team spiraled. 

Also Pegula, I have no faith in Pegula. 

 

Unless Pegula cleans house, I would guess Beane would be the one leading the search for the new HC. Assuming they move on from McDermott which I don't think they will do anytime soon.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

If roethlisberger had been a better QB than Brady the Steelers would have been the dynasty

Agree. Both are first ballot HOF’s. Both clutch. One was just a little better than the other. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Agree. Both are first ballot HOF’s. Both clutch. One was just a little better than the other. 

So you can imagine our chagrin Allen being the better QB than Mahomes w zero to show for it

[finn]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

He also leads the NFL all-time in TDs/game. He is literally the most productive player to ever play in the NFL on a per game basis.

 

Saddled with a coach who chokes in the clutch. As I've said elsewhere, I don't hold McDermott's weaknesses against him, but I do think he needs to recognize and address them. He brought in an expert to help him decide when to challenge plays. That was admirable. Now he needs to bring in an expert to help him in other high-pressure situations. Allen can't do it alone. He needs the other in-game units--defense, special teams, and coaching/game management--to at least not be liabilities. In the Rams game, all three of these units let him down. All three. And he still almost pulled off a victory.

 

In my view, the team and coaches need to meet apart from Allen and talk things over. They need to recognize what they have, how rare it is, and how important it is to not blow it. 

 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

Unless Pegula cleans house, I would guess Beane would be the one leading the search for the new HC. Assuming they move on from McDermott which I don't think they will do anytime soon.

 

The issue is that both orgs runs a flat management structure, which means anybody brings Terry anything and he is the arbiter. It works for the Bills because McBeane came in together with a working relationship. 

That can all change the moment a brand new person enters the equation. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

So you can imagine our chagrin Allen being the better QB than Mahomes w zero to show for it

I love Allen, but no one is more clutch than Mahomes. And that’s why they always win in the playoffs. 

[Gregg]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I love Allen, but no one is more clutch than Mahomes. And that’s why they always win in the playoffs. 

 

Credit the Chiefs defense. They play well or well enough to allow Mahomes to make plays and win games. If Mahomes was on the Bills with McDermott and this defense, he wouldn't have any Super Bowl wins.

[BananaB]

52 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

For the Bills, offense is their best defense. If they don’t get up big and/or get turnovers, the defense cannot compete against better offenses. 

Bang on

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I love Allen, but no one is more clutch than Mahomes. And that’s why they always win in the playoffs. 

Allen on the Chiefs has more SBs than Mahomes

[T.E.]

26 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I don't disagree, but lets not forget what happened to the Charges post Shottenheimer. They never recovered. Allen is better than Rivers, but they had a QB and the team spiraled. 

Also Pegula, I have no faith in Pegula. 

Norv Turner, a crappy coach, took San Diego to the AFCCG which they lost to NE in Foxboro by single digits when:

 

- NE was undefeated

- Rivers was playing with a torn ACL 

- Tomlinson didn't play most of the game

 

The Chargers never recovered because their window passed. That window coincided with being coached by a regular season winner who couldn't get to the Super Bowl with a number of great teams.

[WotAGuy]

31 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I love Allen, but no one is more clutch than Mahomes. And that’s why they always win in the playoffs. 

Montana is the closest as far as clutch. Brady as well, but Montana and Mahomes have the signature clutch wins. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

7 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Norv Turner, a crappy coach, took San Diego to the AFCCG which they lost to NE in Foxboro by single digits when:

 

- NE was undefeated

- Rivers was playing with a torn ACL 

- Tomlinson didn't play most of the game

 

The Chargers never recovered because their window passed. That window coincided with being coached by a regular season winner who couldn't get to the Super Bowl with a number of great teams.

I think that was Schottenheimer. 
 

and people forget how they lost that game.
 

The chargers had a game-clinching interception on 4th down. The chargers DB then fumbled the ball after the pick, recovered by the Pats, who went onto score and win. Classic patriots black magic luck. 

[BillsFan130]

30 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Allen on the Chiefs has more SBs than Mahomes

Yep. At least the same amount 

 

Mahomes won a playoff game last year with 17 points in the afc championship game against Baltimore 

Imagine Josh only leading the bills to 17 points in the playoffs against a Lamar Jackson team? Would lose by 10 plus points . 

 

(In normal conditions, that insane wind game in 2020 doesn't really count)

Edited December 13 by BillsFan130

[Goin Breakdown]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

We are 8th in scoring defense if I'm not mistaken 

We are 10th in dvoa after the rams game 

8th in run defense dvoa 

 

I think they're top 5 in havoc plays. Tfl, turnovers, pressures , QB hits etc 

 

The third down defense is like 25th which is bad

 

The total yds given up is 14th I think. Slightly above avg

 

It's a good defense. But they gotta show up in the playoffs 

Yeah it's those DVOA stats that pop up and allow the eyes to see a better defense than what the other metrics are saying. I think we're average to slightly below average but when we don't get turnovers and pressure like last week, it's bad. Maybe this game will focus them for the playoffs. I really just think they took a mental

breal for this past game. They won a big game in the snow clinching the division and then blah lol. They'll be good though. (Hoping)

[Dan]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I love Allen, but no one is more clutch than Mahomes. And that’s why they always win in the playoffs. 

I’m not sure you can say that.  One of the greatest playoff games in history… Allen matched him score for score in the 4th quarter…  scored the winning TD. Only to sit down and watch the defense lose the game in the final 13secomds and OT.  Allen outplayed Mahomes in that game.  
 

Heck even last year.. Allen brought them to with a very marketable FG to tie and send it to OT.  Only to sit down and watch the kicker miss.   
 

Josh has been clutch.  The difference is, Josh has to build a 2 score lead to have the same chance of winning that Mahomes has with a 2 pt lead. 

Edited December 13 by Dan

[uticaclub]

59 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Sadly, we went from Brady to Mahomes, with no delay.

15 is THE REASON 17 hasn't been to a SB yet. 

We also lost to Cinci, defense bends in the regular season, breaks in the playoffs. Our coaching and roster build philosophies have more to do with it then a QB in KC. Who is more likely to make game changing plays Chris Jones or Ed Oliver?