Ok on to Detroit....

[Big Turk]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

My takeaway: the Bills need to score a lot of points on Sunday.

 

I'm guessing the winner of this game has upper 20s to low 30s.

[Danger Mouse]

39 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

When the D-Line doesn't get pressure with 4 rushers, our defense is easier to move the ball on.  

 

Even if the QB is smart and there is talent, if we are getting to the QB, that changes everything.  

 

We need a JJ Watt, Chris Jones, Myles Garret type player that can wreck a game plan quickly and make the QB always feel like they need to watch that side. 

 

we signed that guy. he was a bust.

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

 

we signed that guy. he was a bust.

 

He has not been. You just have your biases and believe what you want to.

[wjag]

Before the Rams game, this one was a DNC.  Now it is important IMO for the following reasons:

 

1. Avoid losing streak.

2. Avoid losing the MVP for Josh.

3. Avoid sinking deeper into seeding.

4. Make a statement against the second of likely Superbowl entrants.  Already felled the Chiefs.  Now go take down the Lions

 

[Patrick Duffy]

14 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

 

we signed that guy. he was a bust.

 

What guy was that

?

[Goin Breakdown]

15 minutes ago, wjag said:

Before the Rams game, this one was a DNC.  Now it is important IMO for the following reasons:

 

1. Avoid losing streak.

2. Avoid losing the MVP for Josh.

3. Avoid sinking deeper into seeding.

4. Make a statement against the second of likely Superbowl entrants.  Already felled the Chiefs.  Now go take down the Lions

 

I heard that Joshs odd for winning MVP doubled after the LA game. It would seem odd if he lost his chance due to a loss to the Lions. But hey we've seen strange things happen in the NFL. 

Edited December 11 by Goin Breakdown

[atlbillsfan1975]

57 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

Some need to make up their minds. 

 

Do you trust McD and Co. in regards to the secondary? Or do you not?

 

Seen multiple people say one thing and then proceed to still not trust them by adding their Elam comment.

 

My take? If there is a process to trust, it is the mother-efing secondary evaluations.

 

If they think Elam is the best option to start, he will start. If he isn't the best option in their opinion, he doesn't. Why make it more complex or conspiratorial?

 

 

 

 

So, here is the thing for me. I agree 100% that McD has a proven track record with defensive backs and how to elevate average to good and good to great. My confusion is how come he isn’t able to turn Elam into a serviceable backup at the least? I was able to understand that Douglas and Benford out played him, but now we are being told Ingram is better? 

[Big Turk]

https://sports.yahoo.com/jared-goffs-futile-attempt-unseat-120100674.html

 

"As previously mentioned, Allen's low CPOE puts him in second place. This is misleading. His 0.332 adjusted EPA per game is significantly higher than anyone else in the league right now -- Jackson clocks in at second with a 0.275. He's 20 percent more valuable on any given down than any other quarterback in the NFL."

 

The Bills are the team with the more potent offense in this matchup, by a pretty significant margin.

 

Bills EPA/play .201(1st in NFL)

Lions EPA/play .135(4th in the NFL).

 

Or another way of looking at it...the Bills are 67% more potent on a per play basis than the Lions are.

 

Detroit should be the ones fearing out offense more than we fear theirs 

 

 

Edited December 11 by Big Turk

[The Firebaugh Kid]

44 minutes ago, Danger Mouse said:

 

we signed that guy. he was a bust.

He got hurt, and before that he was that dude. Hardly a bust, respectfully.

[bills742]

Smoot full on his first day back is a great. 

Edited December 11 by bills742

[Ray Stonada]

Douglas and Rapp out would be tough. Might need Elam, and… Hyde??

[WNYFAN1]

54 minutes ago, wjag said:

Before the Rams game, this one was a DNC.  Now it is important IMO for the following reasons:

 

1. Avoid losing streak.

2. Avoid losing the MVP for Josh.

3. Avoid sinking deeper into seeding.

4. Make a statement against the second of likely Superbowl entrants.  Already felled the Chiefs.  Now go take down the Lions

 

Huh, avoid losing the MVP for Josh? IDC if he throws for 100 yards and scores zero TDs, if we win. Goal is to win and try to keep pace with KC for the 1 seed.

 

Josh makes a bucket load of money. He'll be fine. Bills victories and postseason performance are 100x more important than his personal accolades.

 

Just my opinion, of course.

[WotAGuy]

32 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Detroit should be the ones fearing out offense more than we fear theirs 

 

 

Any idea where LA’s ranked?  That game demonstrated we need to be worried about every decent offense. 

[Thrivefourfive]

On 12/8/2024 at 9:58 PM, Billyhouseman said:

Well here we are Detroit Lions week.... Let's face it a lot of us chalked this Detroit game as a loss , however since we dropped the Rams game, if we have any hope for the #1 seed, we need to run the table I feel.... And even still might not be enough. I think we can go into Detroit and have Allen do whatever he wants, but the defense needs an EXTREME wake up call.... Amon Ra St Brown is just as good maybe even better than Puka Nacua, if Douglas is hurt we are gonna have Elam active... Regardless I think a game like this needs Elam active....(Don't understand why McDermott hates him but that's another story).  

Yessir. Horribly awful game calling game by the staff (👏👀@&!$!) but it can be said that the Bills got ‘em right where they want them. 
 

They know the #2 seed (yes, bad news is that the Chiefs know the #1 seed, but focus!) Back to Bills.. they’ve proven they can BEAT the best, so confidence won’t be a problem. You could say it’s shaping up nicely, and I KNOW WE CAN ALL SAY we’d take it if presented this back in September. So things may be good. The spotlight has blown out to sea so the pressure is off. Go to DET, kick some ass in your second rented home, show the NFC we’ll ***** em up, and let’s get on with it. 

[Patrick Duffy]

19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/jared-goffs-futile-attempt-unseat-120100674.html

 

"As previously mentioned, Allen's low CPOE puts him in second place. This is misleading. His 0.332 adjusted EPA per game is significantly higher than anyone else in the league right now -- Jackson clocks in at second with a 0.275. He's 20 percent more valuable on any given down than any other quarterback in the NFL."

 

The Bills are the team with the more potent offense in this matchup, by a pretty significant margin.

 

Bills EPA/play .201(1st in NFL)

Lions EPA/play .135(4th in the NFL).

 

Or another way of looking at it...the Bills are 67% more potent on a per play basis than the Lions are.

 

Detroit should be the ones fearing out offense more than we fear theirs 

 

 

 

Well, I think it's not much difference one way or the other in level of concern either way.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Any idea where LA’s ranked?  That game demonstrated we need to be worried about every decent offense. 

 

The difference between their offense with a healthy OLine and Kupp/Nacua versus not is pretty staggering.

 

We happened to catch them at the wrong time when everyone was healthy on offense.

[Nineforty]

44 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

So, here is the thing for me. I agree 100% that McD has a proven track record with defensive backs and how to elevate average to good and good to great. My confusion is how come he isn’t able to turn Elam into a serviceable backup at the least? I was able to understand that Douglas and Benford out played him, but now we are being told Ingram is better? 

 

I think you and others have it backwards and are blaming a coaching staff for a player's inability to rise above multiple players over years. Or you think he has more skill/ceiling due to flashes or draft position. Forget that. 

 

As others pointed out, we will play the best players. And yes, part of that involves scheme and consistency. 

 

You gotta really thread a fine needle by praising the coaching staff in regards to the secondary and saying there is trust. And then continuously question them. 

 

There is of course a time for debate and discourse. I just think this is one of those times, a specific kind of fan should check their ego/hubris and just shut up about Elam. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BeastMaster]

1 hour ago, Nineforty said:

Some need to make up their minds. 

 

Do you trust McD and Co. in regards to the secondary? Or do you not?

 

Seen multiple people say one thing and then proceed to still not trust them by adding their Elam comment.

 

My take? If there is a process to trust, it is the mother-efing secondary evaluations.

 

If they think Elam is the best option to start, he will start. If he isn't the best option in their opinion, he doesn't. Why make it more complex or conspiratorial?

 

 

 

 

I don't trust McDermott when it comes to his defense because they've failed at the most crucial times against the top teams year after year.

 

He's sticking with guys like Hamlin and Ingram over Elam and Bishop when those guys just aren't good and the other guys at least have talent and have now had time in the system, so we should be giving them a shot over guys who aren't making a difference out there.

 

Continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result is simply not a smart decision, and it will likely result in his defense getting burned again in the playoffs because he did what he always does

[HamSandwhich]

Dewayne Carter could be a boost to the D line, we sorely need that. 

[Comebackkid]

6 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

I don't mind looking at the rushing record in the context of modern era. It was a different game when Dickerson and OJ were running. But anyway you look at it, he needs to outdo the guys on this list from the past 20 years, within the first 16. 

 

i find it was more impressive back then because teams actually had to game plan around good running backs.   now days some teams have a 

good running D but i think by design most teams are set up to defend the pass