Fire McD and Hire Belichek after we lose AGAIN in the playoffs

[Augie]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That's one of the things he wants if he agrees to take the UNC job.   He wants Stephen to be named HC in waiting.   Which makes sense for recruiting because every other HC is going to be recruiting against BB's age.   Ideally you want to know who is going to be the man in 4 years.   

 

Makes zero sense to demand that at the NFL level.   I think you are conflating the two.

 

 

 

Thanks, because I couldn’t come up with any plausible explanation. Now it makes some sense. 

[Bad Things]

FFS.  Some of you have completely lost your minds.

[DCofNC]

17 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

This fascination with Ben Johnson puzzles me a bit.  We’d be moving on from a HC with a ton of experience to a first time head coach that’s OC of a team with an oline so good they’d make any nfl oc look competent.  I would not at all be surprised if he flames out when he finally takes a shot somewhere 

 

heck Ulbrich was thought of to be a big head coaching candidate to the point where the jets thought they’d get a boost from him taking over early and he has failed his audition massively 

it’s a big risk and you better be sure you’re right if you take that chance lol 

Worked out ok with McVay and Tomlin.. 

24 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Ole Bill is haunted by the fact that Don Shula has more NFL wins with 328 and he has 302 and that's why he wants back as an NFL HC in the worst way.

 

George Halas is also ahead of him at 318. The funny thing is Andy Reid is at 270. 

 

 

 

No NFL owner will hire the man after he went to the Patriots owner Robert Kraft and told him that Tom Brady was washed up. Brady then goes on to win a Super Bowl with his next team and this along with so many other screwups with the team got him fired by a man who loved him. 

He will be coaching in the NFL next year, book it. He’s going to have to give up being the GM, but he can/should be a coach again.

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, folz said:

I wonder if it has ever happened before...

 

that a 10-3 team, who has already locked up the playoffs, and locked up their division earlier than any team in 16 years, who has gone to the playoffs 7 of the last 8 years, and has an 68-24 record over the last 6 years (good for a 74% win percentage), who are currently 2nd in the league in scoring, are 7th in the league in points against (despite the Rams' 44 points yesterday), and are still 2nd in point differential...has their fans calling to fire their head coach. Especially when many of those same fans were calling this a rebuilding year and expecting 8-9 wins tops, possibly missing the playoffs.

 

I hope you all realize how foolish that looks, especially to other fans/the outside world. There are probably at least 26 fan bases that wish they had it as bad as we do. And if the Bills were to go on to win a Super Bowl this year (obviously no guarantee, but if...), you guys would look even sillier. And McDermott, if fired, would be hired immediately by another team and bring success there (maybe not to this level, depending on his QB, but still...).

 

It was our first loss in 8 weeks. We just came off of beating both of last year's Super Bowl representatives, sealing our division in the process. Yes, our defense gave up a lot of points to a very talented and desperate team, but we still only lost by 2 points. I mean, seriously, what are you guys complaining about.

 

 

I'm not someone calling for Sean McDermott to get fired.

But I do understand the frustration, and the feeling that he is holding us back.

 

Listen around the league, and you are starting to hear national voices recognize what we've been saying the last 2-3 years here.  The Bills are rapidly wasting the prime of Josh Allen's career.  There are no guarantees how long he will remain in this elite class.  And when it's over, there are no do-overs.

 

Every postseason loss can be attributed heavily to poor coaching decisions, combined with a defense (McDermott's baby) that simply VANISHES and has no answers for even slowing down the opposing offense.  A unit that somehow plays so POORLY for four quarters, that even historic level play from the Quarterback cannot bring the team to victory.

 

No, the Rams game was not a playoff matchup.  But it looked EXACTLY like one.  It was as close to the "13 Seconds" game as we have witnessed in the past three years.  Which begs the question... what have we learned since that point to get us over the hump?  My fear (and many others) is that nothing has been learned, and we are bound for another total defensive collapse in January.

 

[boyst]

2 hours ago, todd said:

Andy Reid was a head coach for 20 years before winning a Super Bowl. Let’s have a little perspective here. 

the “fire him” takes are ridiculous. 

 

Andy Reid never had one of the most talented players in the NFL on his roster and there was a reason he got fired by the Eagles.  

 

Maybe it is simply he needed to grow, maybe it was the talent he was working with was not something he could coach, a variety of reasons. But let's not pretend that he failed with the eagles.

[hondo in seattle]

Before the season began, scores of pundits predicted that the Bills would finish either 2nd or even 3rd in the AFCE.  Even with Josh, they didn't feel we had enough talent to win a bunch of games.

They weren't wrong.  

 

These football gurus didn't underestimate our roster talent at all.  But they underestimated McD and our coaching staff.  And yet some folks who want to fire the coaches that are getting this team to over-perform.  Fans are a funny group.  

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, todd said:

Andy Reid was a head coach for 20 years before winning a Super Bowl. Let’s have a little perspective here. 

the “fire him” takes are ridiculous. 

 

Cool, let me do some math here. So McD has already coached 8 years. Josh is 28 so when Josh turns 40, they'll both win their first SB.  Got it....

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Do you think he’s better at his job now  than he was when he arrived at the Bills? 

Absolutely not. He's making the same stupid critical game management mistakes as he did in 2018. The only person who's drastically improved is the same guy who carries this team on his back and is 90% responsible for the games we win.  Trust me @Augie I'm waiting for that proverbial light bulb to turn on like the rest of us.

[The Wiz]

Bills have a great defensive game: "Babich called a great game"

 

Bills have a bad defensive game: "Typical McDermott defense/playcalling"

 

 

Some people just want to hate on McD.

[Savage]

18 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

He can be worse. Definitely.

Anyone can we worse, but BB walks in with immediate respect and credibility.

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Absolutely not. He's making the same stupid critical game management mistakes as he did in 2018. The only person who's drastically improved is the same guy who carries this team on his back and is 90% responsible for the games we win.  Trust me @Augie I'm waiting for that proverbial light bulb to turn on like the rest of us.

 

Please don’t speak for “the rest of us.” That is never good, as it seems to draw a line between fans. Divisiveness is never good. 

 

Every fan base ***** about their coach. Most would love to trade with us. 

 

He didn’t win the Super Bowl yesterday, so he must go. This is crazy talk to me. If you don’t think he’s improved I don’t know what to tell you. I see it differently. Not perfect by any means, but getting better, and nobody new is a sure thing. In fact, the odds are not good that a new coach can do as well as McD has over recent years. 

[nedboy7]

15 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Bills have a great defensive game: "Babich called a great game"

 

Bills have a bad defensive game: "Typical McDermott defense/playcalling"

 

 

Some people just want to hate on McD.

I don’t think many posters here actually like the Bills.   

[Drew21PA]

Never like the retread washed up guys

 

but I like this one

 

especially - could you imagine Belechek with Josh Allen?  Holy smokes it would be better than Bb with Brady

 

we won’t have this stinker stat line either - Josh gives him 400 plus yards he won’t drop a defensive stinker - Allen’s record when over 400 yards?  5-6

 

terrible

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Savage said:

Anyone can we worse, but BB walks in with immediate respect and credibility.

 

Whose respect are you looking for? The media? Part-time casual fans?  Zero question the players respect McD. Players hated Belichick. 

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

I don’t think many posters here actually like the Bills.   

No, they just don't like McD or want to blaim someone.  (Same as Smiley getting all the hate right now.  And probably rightfully in his case).  He does stupid stuff in crunch time.  I'm not going to deny that.  But when the team is rolling they forget that he's the defensive schemer from the start.  Not, Babich or Frasier.

Edited December 10 by The Wiz

[Savage]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

Whose respect are you looking for? The media? Part-time casual fans?  Zero question the players respect McD. Players hated Belichick. 

The Montreal Canadiens players of the 70’s dynasty hated Scotty Bowman, but there arguably has never, ever been a better hockey team.

 

players don’t need to like their coach.

 

winning it all, cures all.

 

 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

7 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Please don’t speak for “the rest of us.” That is never good, as it seems to draw a line between fans. Divisiveness is never good. 

 

Every fan base ***** about their coach. Most would love to trade with us. 

 

He didn’t win the Super Bowl yesterday, so he must go. This is crazy talk to me. If you don’t think he’s improved I don’t know what to tell you. I see it differently. Not perfect by any means, but getting better, and nobody new is a sure thing. In fact, the odds are not good that a new coach can do as well as McD has over recent years. 

....and if you think he has improved I don't know what to tell you.

[todd]

35 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Cool, let me do some math here. So McD has already coached 8 years. Josh is 28 so when Josh turns 40, they'll both win their first SB.  Got it....

 

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you being literal thinking I want to wait 20 years for a SB? Really? That's not accurate. All I'm saying is that people develop, get better, and learn. McD has done that. Yesterday sucked, but the reactionary "fire him" crap is silly. And the "hire belecheat" crap is just ... not even worth talking about.

 

But hey, if you're a hot take/no thought or perspective kinda guy, go for it.

Edited December 10 by todd

[todd]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Andy Reid never had one of the most talented players in the NFL on his roster and there was a reason he got fired by the Eagles.  

 

Maybe it is simply he needed to grow, maybe it was the talent he was working with was not something he could coach, a variety of reasons. But let's not pretend that he failed with the eagles.

 

Thanks for supporting my point. He needed to grow, and did. It took 20 years. So apply your same logic to McDermott. The dude changed the crap culture of the team that existed for a quarter century. One bad game and all the people come out saying he should be fired.

 

Look at the title of the thread. "After we lose AGAIN in the playoffs." THE DAMN PLAYOFFS HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED! What the hell are people thinking? IT'S ONE GAME!!!!

[Nihilarian]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

He will be coaching in the NFL next year, book it. He’s going to have to give up being the GM, but he can/should be a coach again.

The ONLY NFL owner moronic enough to hire Bill Belichick as HC would be the owner of the NY Jets, Woody Johnson. I would dearly love to see this happen as it will mean another few years for the Jests to stay at the bottom of the division a few more seasons. 

 

The Jags, NY Giants, Raiders, Bears, Saints, and even the Cowboys deserve better.