Fire McD and Hire Belichek after we lose AGAIN in the playoffs

[MrEpsYtown]

It's just the move that makes the most sense and it is right there to be made. Again I hate the guy, and he is a cheater, but I wanna win a super bowl. I don't care how we get there. I think he gives us the best chance. Also, he probably keeps Joe Brady as he is a Sean Payton guy and Belichick and Payton both come from that Parcells tree. Brady runs that E-P system that these guys follow and Parcells comes from the Ray Perkins-Ron Erhardt tree. There is continuity there. The parts are fine. We just need someone else driving the ship. 

 

Aside from that, the guy being super picky about a job in Ben Johnson would work as well, and I am sure he would be happy to come here and take over as HC. He also has some E-P influences along the way as well as some others. 

 

Those are the upgrades IMO. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Do people think he just comes in and keeps the same coaching/players and just runs it back?

 

Say hello to Matt Patricia running the offense. Maybe he brings his idiot son to run STs or something. 

Yea idk how people are missing this…a new head coach/gm will turn the roster over to their liking and bring in all their own guys. It’s a step backward to maybe take a step forward in 2-3 years.  
 

belichick makes no sense to me because by the time he gets the roster he wants he will almost certainly be on the verge of retirement.  I doubt his relentless work ethic would be the same at his advanced age either 

Edited December 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Logic]

I'm irritated by the loss yesterday, too.

I, too, find it concerning that McDermott still has clock management issues and buckles in big moments.

All of that said...everyone's willingness to IMMEDIATELY disregard the 10 wins this year and all the good coaching that was done to get us there, to IMMEDIATELY disregard Sean McDermott's place historically in all time winning percentage both for the Bills and league-wide, and IMMEDIATELY disavow him and talk about firing him after a loss is lame. It's just lame.

Reactionary, prisoner of the moment, exaggeration and hyperbole filled, fairweather nonsense.

Everyone also automatically assumes that "Hot new coach X", or Bill Belichick, or whomever, is going to come in and just definitely be better than Sean McDermott, when it's very possible that said coach would represent a downgrade. As if Bill Belichick doesn't have a career losing record without Tom Brady. As if Bill Belichick wouldn't wanna come in here and change out a bunch of offensive and defensive personnel and install new systems. As if the fun-loving, family atmosphere of this Bills team would mesh well with a guy who is one of the all-time most strict and grumpy disciplinarians. As if it's a guarantee that a very "fun and vibes" based team would thrive under a guy who had many of his former players say that playing under him was a living hell.

Sometimes, I come here the day after a loss and am immediately reminded WHY I don't spend much time on this forum in the days following losses. Just so much drivel and nonsense. See y'all on Thursday to talk about the Lions game.

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Yea idk how people are missing this…a new head coach/gm will turn the roster over to their liking and bring in all their own guys. It’s a step backward to maybe take a step forward in 2-3 years.  
 

belichick makes no sense to me because by the time he gets the roster he wants he will almost certainly be on the verge of retirement.  I doubt his relentless work ethic would be the same at his advanced age either 

 

He is not that far behind Shula for the all-time wins record as HC. Plus, he probably wants to prove he can win a Super Bowl without Brady. I think he would be very motivated to coach the Bills, and I think he would love the chance to coach #17.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

there is one major reason why Belichick didn't get a gig last year: he wants a commitment to name his son HC in waiting 

 

No thank you!

 

 

That's one of the things he wants if he agrees to take the UNC job.   He wants Stephen to be named HC in waiting.   Which makes sense for recruiting because every other HC is going to be recruiting against BB's age.   Ideally you want to know who is going to be the man in 4 years.   

 

Makes zero sense to demand that at the NFL level.   I think you are conflating the two.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

That's one of the things he wants if he agrees to take the UNC job.   He wants Stephen to be named HC in waiting.   Which makes sense for recruiting because every other HC is going to be recruiting against BB's age.   Ideally you want to know who is going to be the man in 4 years.   

 

Makes zero sense to demand that at the NFL level.   I think you are conflating the two.

 

 

 

Makes zero sense to demand that in CFB where coaches are no longer recruiting on longevity and culture, and it is just a boosters NIL bidding war. 🤷‍♂️

 

I think he just wants to secure his kid a job.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

He is not that far behind Shula for the all-time wins record as HC. Plus, he probably wants to prove he can win a Super Bowl without Brady. I think he would be very motivated to coach the Bills, and I think he would love the chance to coach #17.

I don’t see it…if that’s his motivation for coming back it just doesn’t make sense he’d go to Buffalo.  That wouldn’t change the narrative at all that he can only win with a superstar qb 

 

if he was mid 50s I wouldn’t be as appalled people are calling for it…even if his mental motivation is there and he does go to Buffalo who even knows if his body holds up 

Edited December 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Mango]

I wanted to give a laughing emoji, but honestly it wasn’t worth you getting a meaningless internet point. 

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t see it…if that’s his motivation for coming back it just doesn’t make sense he’d go to Buffalo.  That wouldn’t change the narrative at all that he can only win with a superstar qb 

 

if he was mid 50s I wouldn’t be as appalled people are calling for it…even if his mental motivation is there and he does go to Buffalo who even knows if his body holds up 

 

One thing about Bill is he knows defense. He would also manage the game better than Sean does. Bill would build a strong defense and combine that with an Allen led offense I would like the Bills chances to win a Super Bowl. But it doesn't matter since I don't see McDermott getting fired anytime soon.

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Makes zero sense to demand that in CFB where coaches are no longer recruiting on longevity and culture, and it is just a boosters NIL bidding war. 🤷‍♂️

 

I think he just wants to secure his kid a job.

 

Well sure he wants to get his kid a path to success........but it absolutely makes sense to have a successor in place for 73 year old HC.    Obviously.   As for the NIL bidding wars........they've served to level the field some.   As has the portal.   If not for them it would still be Georgia or Bama in perpetuity.    It's not the NFL system of parity but it's better than what it was.   If only for the fact that the criminal organization known as the NCAA now actually has to allow players to be paid.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

10 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

One thing about Bill is he knows defense. He would also manage the game better than Sean does. Bill would build a strong defense and combine that with an Allen led offense I would like the Bills chances to win a Super Bowl. But it doesn't matter since I don't see McDermott getting fired anytime soon.

How long would it take him to build this defense? If you’re making a major scheme shift you are gonna lose a lot of effectiveness from our current players and there will be a ton of roster turnover needed

 

probably would take a few years of worse results than mcd is getting before it being even possible for belichick to take a step forward.  He’ll be mid 70s and Josh will be in his 30s.  If he was considerably younger and could run the franchise for a decade or two then maybe it’s worth the risk but that is absolutely not the case.  His coaching tree has been mostly abysmal too so I don’t really trust one of his coordinators taking over post retirement.  This move just makes absolutely no sense.  Brady is gonna get a head coaching job and I don’t trust belichick to bring in an OC

 

this is something woody Johnson would and probably will do and it will go badly lol

 

people refuse to believe the nfl playoffs takes a healthy dose of luck too so even if everything goes absolutely perfectly and he is his old self the odds belichick wins a superbowl before retirement are very very low 

Edited December 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I disagree.  I think he's a good coach and I think the Bills will fail in the playoffs again because there are other teams with more talent.  Other than QB, we don't have an elite position group on this team.  McD (with a lot of help from Josh) is the reason we're even getting into the postseason.  Beane needs to give him more to work with.  

Well there is a lot to this. 
 

We’re picking in the 20’s now, the Bills have extended several starters and have little cap flexibility, we draft the same sort of players on defense because the scheme hasn’t changed in 8 years, Von’s contract and injury have been a net negative. 

[Danger Mouse]

I never realised belichick was so popular with buffalo supporters. I’d have thought he be the last person someone wanted at the Bills 

 

American sports perhaps different in that regard to uk ones. But there’d be a supporters integrity here that wouldn’t stand for that kind of thing. Success doesn’t come at any price.

 

Not just the whole season after season pats humiliation but also the Super Bowl defeat in 1991.

 

Like getting Satan in to boost church numbers 

 

 

[What a Tuel]

Just now, Mister Defense said:

Come on, he has to be kidding, cannot react like that to a loss when they are 10-3, right?

 

If not, what an ignorant hater he must be!

 

Yikes, to think there may be people this dumb in the world...

 

If he is one of the haters, he was likely salivating as they lost the game, could not wait to get on here and add some more irrational hate to the world.

 

I said it as they took the time out. The fire mcdermott club is firing up their pcs and loading up two bills drive as we speak. They just wait for the opportunity to bring him down.

 

No matter that the OC called the play, that Allen may have audibled out of it to run it himself (i heard he started in shotgun then changed formation).

 

The timeout I would not have taken but to be honest at that point if you let the clock run while you reset, the game likely plays out the same exact way, time out or no timeout.

 

The defense was reminiscent of the bengals picking us apart. They need to address that urgently.

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

How long would it take him to build this defense? If you’re making a major scheme shift you are gonna lose a lot of effectiveness from our current players and there will be a ton of roster turnover needed

 

probably would take a few years of worse results than mcd is getting before it being even possible for belichick to take a step forward.  He’ll be mid 70s and Josh will be in his 30s.  If he was considerably younger and could run the franchise for a decade or two then maybe it’s worth the risk but that is absolutely not the case.  His coaching tree has been mostly abysmal too so I don’t really trust one of his coordinators taking over post retirement.  This move just makes absolutely no sense 

 

Fair point but does keeping McDermott make sense when his defense constantly disappoints in the playoffs against good teams. Sean has been here what 7, 8 years so it's not like he hasn't been given a fair chance. I give him all the credit in the world for changing the culture of the organization from a loser to a winner. He has been one of the best regular season coaches for a long time now. But shouldn't he be held accountable for the playoff failures which have been going on for years now.

Edited December 9 by Gregg

[starrymessenger]

15 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

One thing about Bill is he knows defense. He would also manage the game better than Sean does. Bill would build a strong defense and combine that with an Allen led offense I would like the Bills chances to win a Super Bowl. But it doesn't matter since I don't see McDermott getting fired anytime soon.

I do feel that Bill knows D but are people forgetting what a mess he made of the Pats O when last in the saddle? 

Edited December 9 by starrymessenger

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Fair point but does keeping McDermott makes sense when his defense constantly disappoints in the playoffs against good teams. Sean has been here what 7, 8 years so it's not like he hasn't been given a fair chance. I give him all the credit in the world for changing the culture of the organization from a loser to a winner. He has been one of the best regular season coaches for a long time now. But shouldn't he be held accountable for the playoff failures which have been going on for years now.

If you move on it has to be for someone that’s not a couple years from retirement or someone on the older side that has shown some capability in passing his knowledge on to coordinators.  The odds Brady doesn’t get a hc job at this point are very slim so the odds he hangs around under a new head coach are miniscule.  You’re likely looking for GM, head coach, and both coordinator spots if/when mcd is fired and it’s gonna be a full rebuild on the defensive side at minimum 
 

im still hesitant on Ben Johnson…I don’t think even his boss is gonna have any more playoff success than mcd is having but we’ll see haha. Johnson makes infinitely more sense to take a shot on than belichick though 

Edited December 9 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Augie]

15 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’m absolutely on board with it. McDermott either get to the Super Bowl this year or bring in Belichek. Enough wasting Josh’s legs

 

It would take a lot to get me to stop following the Bills. Obviously, if they left WNY I’d be on my merry way. Probably second on that list would be hiring Belichick. You don’t start building anything by hiring a HC who will be 73 years old next season. I don’t hate him as a coach as much as I’d hate the decision to bring in a guy for one or two seasons. He just wants to catch Shula. That would be an idiotic decision by the owners, and I’d look at them in a different light (not in a good way). 

 

IF we were to hire someone, I’d want them to be younger, have a better concept of offensive football and not be a complete idiot when it came to personnel issues. He can coach defense, but he was one of the worst Co-GMs (along with his dog) in the league. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

3 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

I do feel that Bill knows D but are people forgetting what a mess he made of the Pats O when last in the saddle? 

Yes lol or they think our offense would be fine under anyone which is kind of funny given all the Brady complaints 

 

this message board is the ultimate evidence of ‘the grass is always greener on the other side/prisoner of the moment’ haha 

 

some year between 0-100 years from now the bills will win the superbowl with a large portion of the fans begging the head coach is fired all year 🤣

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

If you move on it has to be for someone that’s not a couple years from retirement or someone on the older side that has shown some capability in passing his knowledge on to coordinators.  The odds Brady doesn’t get a hc job at this point are very slim so the odds he hangs around under a new head coach are miniscule.  You’re likely looking for GM, head coach, and both coordinator spots if/when mcd is fired and it’s gonna be a full rebuild on the defensive side at minimum 
 

im still hesitant on Ben Johnson…I don’t think even his boss is gonna have any more playoff success than mcd is having but we’ll see haha. Johnson makes infinitely more sense to take a shot on than belichick though 

 

It would also be a full rebuild on the defensive side of the ball if Ben Johnson takes over as he will want to bring in his own DC. Same thing on the offensive side of the ball as Johnson would want to run the system that he has built. I am not against hiring Johnson as he appears to be a hot commodity to becoming a head coach. Assuming the Bills did move on from McDermott there would changes to both sides of the ball no matter who the new coach is.