Fire McD and Hire Belichek after we lose AGAIN in the playoffs

[Dr. K]

4 minutes ago, Success said:

 

You make some good points here.  The "run it w/ Beast mode" second-guessing was universal, and comparable to us trying to sneak & using the timeout.

 

I agree w/ you on accepting the penalty. That was a bad decision, imo - but not egregious, and a there are probably more than a few coaches who do the same there. 

 

I just assumed that the coaches' mindset was the same as mine & probably everyone watching on that last drive. You're down 2 scores - whatever you do, keep those 3 timeouts.  I think it probably was the same, but they just made a bad gamble at the end & thought the sneak would be a sure thing, because it normally is.  They put themselves in a position where they had to use that final timeout, but I can kind of see the logic if I get back in that mode of looking at it without the benefit of hindsight.

 

And hindsight is super easy.  You throw it, 3x if necessary, but keep those timeouts.  

 

 

It was painful to watch them lose the way they did, after Josh (and some others) played as hard as they did.

 

My main takeaway from the game is that it raises the same ugly possibility that has put them out of the playoffs the last four years: not that the offense fails, or that McDermott makes bad decisions (I am far from defending all of his decisions), but that the Bills defense is a no-show in those big games. 

 

You can lay that at McDermott's door, or at Beane's, or at the players', I guess. 

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

6 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

It was painful to watch them lose the way they did, after Josh (and some others) played as hard as they did.

 

My main takeaway from the game is that it raises the same ugly possibility that has put them out of the playoffs the last four years: not that the offense fails, or that McDermott makes bad decisions (I am far from defending all of his decisions), but that the Bills defense is a no-show in those big games. 

 

You can lay that at McDermott's door, or at Beane's, or at the players', I guess. 

 

 

If the defense has a game in the playoffs like they did vs the rams, it's going to be very very tough for me or anyone to justify keeping McDermott. The amount of anger and frustration will be too much to keep him. At that point he is destroying Allen's legacy and enough is enough. 

 

All we're asking for is adequate level defense in the playoffs. Like can you hold the other team to 24 pts... Can you not allow 10 yards per play??? So no argument from me if that happens. 

 

I do think he's going to pull through in the playoffs and the defense will be solid 

Edited December 10 by Kelly to Allen

[Success]

6 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

It was painful to watch them lose the way they did, after Josh (and some others) played as hard as they did.

 

My main takeaway from the game is that it raises the same ugly possibility that has put them out of the playoffs the last four years: not that the offense fails, or that McDermott makes bad decisions (I am far from defending all of his decisions), but that the Bills defense is a no-show in those big games. 

 

You can lay that at McDermott's door, or at Beane's, or at the players', I guess. 

 

 

 

I agree there.

 

Our defense looks amazing against average & bad teams. Whenever we get in against an top tier offense, it seems to falter more often than not.

 

I think good QB's just are better at picking apart the kind of zone we play.  I wish we could be more consistently aggressive when we play against the really good passers - either w/ more press coverage, or more pressure on the QB.

 

[Kelly to Allen]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

 

I agree there.

 

Our defense looks amazing against average & bad teams. Whenever we get in against an top tier offense, it seems to falter more often than not.

 

I think good QB's just are better at picking apart the kind of zone we play.  I wish we could be more consistently aggressive when we play against the really good passers - either w/ more press coverage, or more pressure on the QB.

 

I mean they were really good vs the dolphins in week 2. Really good vs KC. Really good vs the cards in the second half 

Really good vs the 49ers with Purdy.

 

I agree that the defense is not great. It's a good defense. You can win a super bowl with that

[amprov56]

On 12/8/2024 at 11:04 PM, Ethan in Cleveland said:

We had our chance at Jim Harbaugh and let it slip away.

Now Ben Johnson is there

Anything but the SuperBowl and I would move on from McDermott

Certainly another home playoff loss would convince most of the people on this board.

When? We never had a chance at Jim Harbaugh and look at the year leading up to 2023, lot the same crap you hear now he could not beat OSU or win the big one!

Edited December 10 by amprov56

[amprov56]

3 hours ago, Dr. K said:

These "fire McDermott" responses after any loss at all are more predictable than the sun coming up in the morning. 

 

They are tiresome beyond words. 

Emotional tantrums for a 10 - 2 team losing a game

10 minutes ago, amprov56 said:

When? We never had a chance at Jim Harbaugh and look at the year leading up to 2023, lot the same crap you hear now he could not beat OSU or win the big one!

Same ones very predictable 

[Dr. K]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen said:

If the defense has a game in the playoffs like they did vs the rams, it's going to be very very tough for me or anyone to justify keeping McDermott. The amount of anger and frustration will be too much to keep him. At that point he is destroying Allen's legacy and enough is enough. 

 

All we're asking for is adequate level defense in the playoffs. Like can you hold the other team to 24 pts... Can you not allow 10 yards per play??? So no argument from me if that happens. 

 

I do think he's going to pull through in the playoffs and the defense will be solid 

I think if the defense has a game like the Rams game in the playoffs, it will be hard to see a reason to keep McDermott, whatever his other virtues. 

 

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

8 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

I think if the defense has a game like the Rams game in the playoffs, it will be hard to see a reason to keep McDermott, whatever his other virtues. 

 

 

 

Terry pegula doesn't want to fire him but if that happens in the playoffs ( I'll be shocked) the outcry and anger will be too much to ignore 

56 minutes ago, amprov56 said:

Emotional tantrums for a 10 - 2 team losing a game

Same ones very predictable 

Look man, 6 punts in the past 4 elimination games 

 

Along with Allen having a higher TD % and lower TO % THAN MAHOMES since 2020 in the playoffs 

 

Along with McDermott literally flushing a probable Lombardi in 13 seconds.

 

You can't be a defensive coach and your defense be a clown 🤡 car in the playoffs. 

 

Josh Allen has the second most tds in NFL playoff history for a QB in his first ten playoff games and all time low turnovers in the playoffs and we haven't even got to a super bowl 

 

That's unacceptable bro

 

I like McDermott, I want him here a long time but dude. He's gotta pull his weight 

 

That defensive performance vs the rams was disgusting 

Edited December 10 by Kelly to Allen

[billsfan714]

9 men on the field on the punt against the Rams.   12 men on the field last year against Denver on FG that gave them another try after missing.   No squib KO in the 13 seconds game.   Its more than just clock management blunders.   Is it ever Sean's fault?   Does the buck ever stop at the HC?

[The Cincinnati Kid]

I am not a McDermott fan. He loses his mind in tight spots. Amazing that he was a wrestler because those fools are always in tight spots, but I digress. If Pegs had any balls he’d trade his next draft for Dan Campbell.

[todd]

It's pretty sad how many reactionary, ill-informed, short-sighted bills fans there are. 

[Savage]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

I'll tell you what's tiresome: people saying "but Tomlin! everyone loves Tomlin!" as a defense of McDermott. 

 

McDermott has a HOF level QB. Tomlin does not right now. 

 

However, you know what happened when he DID? 

 

2 SB appearances and 1 SB ring. That's also when Brady and Manning were in their primes and also in the AFC playoffs every year too. 

 

McDermott is having trouble even getting to the conference title game with Allen. 

 

Tomlin puts together the exact same season every year with (insert name here) at QB. This year he's getting QB production and they are 10-3, same as the Bills with Josh Allen and in a FAR more difficult division than the AFC Least. 

 

I'm getting annoyed at having a defensive HC whose defenses fall apart and never step up in the playoffs. AND whose game management blunders cost the team games. 

 

Having a defensive HC is fine, if the talk is "man that McDermott defense is brutal to face in the playoffs." Instead, it's "man that McDermott defense can't make a stop." 

 

What's the point, really? Noe we're going to lose our OC again because Allen is great. 

 

Tomlin is a scum, douche.

 

that one time that he tried to trip up an opposing player, while stepping on the field.

 

have zero respect for that punk.

 

just another punk among punks.

 

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 12/8/2024 at 10:26 PM, Buffalo03 said:

Bill Belichick is the most overrated HC of all time

He seems to do ok when he has a quarterback, unless those championship rings are a mirage or something. 

[Nihilarian]

Some of you can't see the forest for the trees...

 

An SB-winning QB got a hot hand throwing to two of the very best receivers in the game and ripped the Buffalo Bills defense a new one all game long.  The receivers are wide open, no pressure on said QB with only 3 QB hits by Bill's defense all game. This Rams offense is directed by one of the finest young offensive minds in today's game in Rams HC Sean McVay. Matt Stafford is a HoF QB!

 

This game was ALL about the Buffalo Bills defensive players falling on their faces for some unknown reason. This was against a middling 6-6 Rams team with both their offensive and defensive rankings in the 20s. Was it in the cross-country travel from the East Coast to the West? Well, then why didn't the offense fall apart too?

 

The one thing about this season's defense that has been helping them look so good is the turnover ratio which is currently tied with the Steelers at +17. Yet, against the Rams no turnovers...on either side. My takeaway from watching Joe Marino and his all-22 is that the Buffalo defensive line is the biggest problem. IMHO we Bills fans should understand that McD is a miracle worker given the lack of talent on that Buffalo defense. Perhaps McD would have done a better job over the first-year DC play-caller, I don't know. 

 

Where is that special player who can put on a cape-like QB Josh Allen and take over a game? You know, like Bruce Smith and Cornelius Bennett used to do. Von Miller was supposed to be that guy and injuries derailed that. Injuries to the defense have screwed this team for years. Buffalo needs a Chris Jones and not a new HC.